Dear all,
If an employee is continuouly late after counselling, deducting salary, warning letter, charge sheet etc. and he is the member of union. He got genuine reason for late coming. Management is strictly prohibiting latecomings.
What action can we take as IR person? as he is the member of Union, we cannot suspend or terminate him.
Your suggestions are highly appreciated.
Thanks & regards.
Chitra
From India, Madras
2If an employee is continuouly late after counselling, deducting salary, warning letter, charge sheet etc. and he is the member of union. He got genuine reason for late coming. Management is strictly prohibiting latecomings.
What action can we take as IR person? as he is the member of Union, we cannot suspend or terminate him.
Your suggestions are highly appreciated.
Thanks & regards.
Chitra
From India, Madras
Hi Chitra,Habitual late coming is a part of 'gross misconduct' as per the model standing orders applicable to all employees. The said employee may be warned in writing with show cause. If no improvement is seen either, he can terminate from services without paying him notice pay. Union is establised to protect the right of workers and not to protect their misconducts.</p>
From India, Thana
From India, Thana
Hi Chitra,
Genuine reasons cannot justify coming late on a regular basis. Coming late once or twice month supported by genuine is acceptable but not on a regular basis. Coming on time is a basic discipline which everybody should obey regardless of position held in the Company.
Suggest call the Union President or Unit Secretary and explain to them the problems and give them two /three weeks time to improve the guy. If it does not work call the Union leaders again and tell them that management is going to get rid of him.
From India, Calcutta
Genuine reasons cannot justify coming late on a regular basis. Coming late once or twice month supported by genuine is acceptable but not on a regular basis. Coming on time is a basic discipline which everybody should obey regardless of position held in the Company.
Suggest call the Union President or Unit Secretary and explain to them the problems and give them two /three weeks time to improve the guy. If it does not work call the Union leaders again and tell them that management is going to get rid of him.
From India, Calcutta
Hey Chitra,
I see that you have already taken all the recourse to discpline the employee, then I am sure you have and must have also kept the Union informed on the same. So, please go ahead and follow what action was informed to staff if he did not comply.
Secondly, I see you have mentioned that he's got guinine reason, "so why was the all the above action taken on the first instance.
I am of the opininon that if the employee is good at his work and has been adding value to organization, and his late coming has a serious reason which cannot be avoided; we must give room to him since he part of company family and adjust the late coming to his work hours by asking him to work additional hours to cover-up. This however, must be with a time-frame with due discussion with him, or else other employees will demand same behaviour. Informly, all his colleagues must be informed on this adjustment due to valid reason.
we need to build employee relations, if his reason for delay is genueine. In my past company, an accountant had a mentally strained spouse and every morning he had drop his kid to school. The had company allowed him flexi-time for 8 months after which, he had arranged some other alternative.
Ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
I see that you have already taken all the recourse to discpline the employee, then I am sure you have and must have also kept the Union informed on the same. So, please go ahead and follow what action was informed to staff if he did not comply.
Secondly, I see you have mentioned that he's got guinine reason, "so why was the all the above action taken on the first instance.
I am of the opininon that if the employee is good at his work and has been adding value to organization, and his late coming has a serious reason which cannot be avoided; we must give room to him since he part of company family and adjust the late coming to his work hours by asking him to work additional hours to cover-up. This however, must be with a time-frame with due discussion with him, or else other employees will demand same behaviour. Informly, all his colleagues must be informed on this adjustment due to valid reason.
we need to build employee relations, if his reason for delay is genueine. In my past company, an accountant had a mentally strained spouse and every morning he had drop his kid to school. The had company allowed him flexi-time for 8 months after which, he had arranged some other alternative.
Ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Hi Chitra,
Not able to understand your challenge there. you are telling that he is coming late frequently and acknowledged the reason is genuine. If you have that mentality, you may not take good decision.
In the case of his genuinity, then why you took disciplinary actions so far. first you let confirm what you want from him. then, stick with that until your decision arrived.
As a IR person, it is important what actions we are taking and should predict the impact also.
Thanks.
Jana
From India, Jhajjar
Not able to understand your challenge there. you are telling that he is coming late frequently and acknowledged the reason is genuine. If you have that mentality, you may not take good decision.
In the case of his genuinity, then why you took disciplinary actions so far. first you let confirm what you want from him. then, stick with that until your decision arrived.
As a IR person, it is important what actions we are taking and should predict the impact also.
Thanks.
Jana
From India, Jhajjar
Dear Chitra, You too become a memeber of that union from management part and start taking action.
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Dear Chitra
Being a member of Union doen't permit an employee to to be habitally late for his duty. Infact It is expected from union personnels to be a role model in order to guide the mass to follow dicipline inside plant. Considering the genuine case you may consider a shift change if possible but late comming should not be allowed on a regular basis.
Suggest you to discuss the issue with Gen. Secretary/President of the union and issue him a advosy note seeking justificsation as to why management shouldn't take discipilinary proceedings against him
Regards
Arvind
From India, Delhi
Being a member of Union doen't permit an employee to to be habitally late for his duty. Infact It is expected from union personnels to be a role model in order to guide the mass to follow dicipline inside plant. Considering the genuine case you may consider a shift change if possible but late comming should not be allowed on a regular basis.
Suggest you to discuss the issue with Gen. Secretary/President of the union and issue him a advosy note seeking justificsation as to why management shouldn't take discipilinary proceedings against him
Regards
Arvind
From India, Delhi
Dear Ms. chitra,
As sugested by others, i also agree that it is not a union concern. if the employee has commited misconduct u have to take decision and not to wait/decide as per the union. plz follow ur certified standing orders and as per the natural justice take action. if all formalities like warning, show cause , charge sheet is conducted trough domestic enquiry and the same thing is continued as per ur standing orders if clause is mentioned u can suspend him a week or as required without pay. and even u can disconnect his/her non statutory facilities which ever is appilcable.
regards
ramnath
From India, Bangalore
As sugested by others, i also agree that it is not a union concern. if the employee has commited misconduct u have to take decision and not to wait/decide as per the union. plz follow ur certified standing orders and as per the natural justice take action. if all formalities like warning, show cause , charge sheet is conducted trough domestic enquiry and the same thing is continued as per ur standing orders if clause is mentioned u can suspend him a week or as required without pay. and even u can disconnect his/her non statutory facilities which ever is appilcable.
regards
ramnath
From India, Bangalore
Dear Chitra
Being in Union Office Bearer it does not absolve an employee from being adhering to the Standing Orders of any organisation. Union is different and S.O. is different. If at all his reasons for late coming is genuine and you can permit him to come late on humanatirian grounds, you can just go on as long as it does not affect the productivity or output of the activity concerned.
If there are shift workings, may be you can try putting him in other shifts where he can be on time. We need to take a case-to case basis analysis on such issues and let us not jump into hasty actions.
Regards
Sridhar N
From India, Madras
Being in Union Office Bearer it does not absolve an employee from being adhering to the Standing Orders of any organisation. Union is different and S.O. is different. If at all his reasons for late coming is genuine and you can permit him to come late on humanatirian grounds, you can just go on as long as it does not affect the productivity or output of the activity concerned.
If there are shift workings, may be you can try putting him in other shifts where he can be on time. We need to take a case-to case basis analysis on such issues and let us not jump into hasty actions.
Regards
Sridhar N
From India, Madras
Dear Chitra,
If you know that he is having a genuine reason for late coming than why have you taken up the actions against him.
Union members are their to protect the right of employees not their own interest.
As per standing order Act Late coming is a gross misconduct and after giving show cause notice you can send a chargesheet for conducting domestic inquiry and then let him to prove that he is genuine late comer.
And Ms chitra as an IR person yu should b strong enough to solve such issues. If you give liberty to this union representative than their will no stoppage that other employees will demand for same from you.
You will than found yourselves banging your head.
You want more information in this regard you can always contact me on 9909001742 ( after 7 pm)
Regards
Abhijeet Sawant
From India, Ahmadabad
If you know that he is having a genuine reason for late coming than why have you taken up the actions against him.
Union members are their to protect the right of employees not their own interest.
As per standing order Act Late coming is a gross misconduct and after giving show cause notice you can send a chargesheet for conducting domestic inquiry and then let him to prove that he is genuine late comer.
And Ms chitra as an IR person yu should b strong enough to solve such issues. If you give liberty to this union representative than their will no stoppage that other employees will demand for same from you.
You will than found yourselves banging your head.
You want more information in this regard you can always contact me on 9909001742 ( after 7 pm)
Regards
Abhijeet Sawant
From India, Ahmadabad
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