Can an organization terminate the employment of an associate based on the fact that he copied 20% in one of the questions out of the 3 questions he was given for the test? The associate asked for help from his colleague and then edited and formatted that 20% as per his understanding. Is this fair enough to terminate the associate?
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What kind of test was that? Was it a recruitment test of any kind or a test for job promotion? What was the subject, and how many marks were there? What was the duration of the test? What is the qualification of the employee in question? We need information on the above before any comments can be given. By the way, the tendency to do some "copy" shows a lack of personal values. It shows the audacity of this person.
When individuals become obsessed with copying and the tendency to copy something gets into their blood, problems of this kind happen. It is a lesson for all the copycats.
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Dinesh V Divekar
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8072When individuals become obsessed with copying and the tendency to copy something gets into their blood, problems of this kind happen. It is a lesson for all the copycats.
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Dinesh V Divekar
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[QUOTE=Dinesh Divekar;2053382] Dear friend, what kind of test was that? The test was after the recruitment. It was to assess the ability of individuals to perform data entry tasks.
Was it a recruitment test or a test for job promotion? No, it was neither.
What was the subject of the test and how many marks were allocated? The test focused on data entry tasks using a specific database to evaluate the associates' comprehension.
What was the duration of the test? It lasted for 8 hours.
What qualifications did the employee in question possess? The employees were graduates and postgraduates with at least 3 years of experience within the organization. They had been performing similar tasks but using different databases. Additionally, some freshers were also involved.
Copying was not necessary to pass the test. Even after removing the copied content, the associates still managed to pass. The focus was on completing the test within the given timeframe. One of the associates had limited time as they were juggling other responsibilities alongside the test.
Can you advise on what decision the organization should make regarding this situation?
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Was it a recruitment test or a test for job promotion? No, it was neither.
What was the subject of the test and how many marks were allocated? The test focused on data entry tasks using a specific database to evaluate the associates' comprehension.
What was the duration of the test? It lasted for 8 hours.
What qualifications did the employee in question possess? The employees were graduates and postgraduates with at least 3 years of experience within the organization. They had been performing similar tasks but using different databases. Additionally, some freshers were also involved.
Copying was not necessary to pass the test. Even after removing the copied content, the associates still managed to pass. The focus was on completing the test within the given timeframe. One of the associates had limited time as they were juggling other responsibilities alongside the test.
Can you advise on what decision the organization should make regarding this situation?
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It doesn't matter on any of the following as far as my knowledge goes. This incident would definitely give a strong message to all the other staff. There is never a small mistake and a big mistake. You can always draw a bigger line beside a line and say that the previous one is smaller and so on. Let the message pass on that there is zero tolerance for any kind of mistake in the organization. A person's character can be determined only based on the decisions one takes when he is weak.
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Kumar
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Kumar
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In this case, the employee has been terminated because of his personal values. Copying text, whether in small amounts or large, is still considered copying. The management decided not to condone it.
Looking at the verdicts of a few labor courts, many times bus conductors have been terminated from their services due to their failure to issue tickets. For short-duration commutes, they sometimes take small change and pocket it. If caught by the vigilance party, their services are terminated. When these aggrieved conductors approached the labor court, the courts upheld the punishments given by the respective organizations' management. Though the loss may seem insignificant compared to the salary or daily revenue of the State Transport Corporation, it cannot be condoned.
This situation brings to mind a Spanish Proverb, "Laws, like the spider's web, catch the fly and let the hawk go free."
Why can someone like Vijay Mallya roam free even after not paying salaries to his staff for months while a data entry operator loses his job? This is the reality of the world.
For Kumar: Good or bad, I do not make comments without fully understanding the situation. Hence, in my previous post, I asked a lot of clarifying questions.
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Dinesh V Divekar
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Looking at the verdicts of a few labor courts, many times bus conductors have been terminated from their services due to their failure to issue tickets. For short-duration commutes, they sometimes take small change and pocket it. If caught by the vigilance party, their services are terminated. When these aggrieved conductors approached the labor court, the courts upheld the punishments given by the respective organizations' management. Though the loss may seem insignificant compared to the salary or daily revenue of the State Transport Corporation, it cannot be condoned.
This situation brings to mind a Spanish Proverb, "Laws, like the spider's web, catch the fly and let the hawk go free."
Why can someone like Vijay Mallya roam free even after not paying salaries to his staff for months while a data entry operator loses his job? This is the reality of the world.
For Kumar: Good or bad, I do not make comments without fully understanding the situation. Hence, in my previous post, I asked a lot of clarifying questions.
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
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The fact here is that even the Central Government Standard orders state that the gravity of the incident and the previous record of the associate should be considered before making a decision. What about the associates who gave three and a half years to the organization? This matter was shut down at that time only by saying that there would be a retest for all those individuals, but because of the escalation from the client, this harsh decision was taken five days after the incident happened. Is this fair enough? The client wanted action. The action could have been a suspension for a week and a warning letter issued. Please provide your inputs. This test was in no way to qualify for anything. In fact, there was a chance of a retest into that.
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Moral Turpitude and Organizational Ethics
Any act involving 'Moral Turpitude' should not be condoned. Such acts are willful and intentional, and condoning them would amount to encouragement for acts leading to higher depravity. However, as pointed out by Mr. Dinesh, if the organization itself indulges in unethical and illegal acts, what can one say about its employees at lower levels.
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Any act involving 'Moral Turpitude' should not be condoned. Such acts are willful and intentional, and condoning them would amount to encouragement for acts leading to higher depravity. However, as pointed out by Mr. Dinesh, if the organization itself indulges in unethical and illegal acts, what can one say about its employees at lower levels.
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Please do not mistake my response in this way. In computer tests, matching an answer is not the same as copying an answer. Having the same answer does not constitute copying. It is not reasonable to terminate someone over this issue. However, it may be justifiable to withhold further opportunities or projects for a short period.
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Thank you.
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In my opinion, the action taken was harsh but necessary to convey a strong message across the teams for similar or possibly more critical future verifications in the organization.
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KoRaKu
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KoRaKu
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The vague posting leaves a few more questions. I pose a couple of questions from my point of view: What will happen if the act of copying is passed over or ignored? How senior was the guy, or what was his experience? The reason for asking these questions is if the associate is a senior person and if he is not reprimanded or punished, he may continue to indulge in this kind of activity in the future as well. If the word spreads around, others may also emulate the same negative act and expect to be excused or ignored, as you have already set a precedent. You are not sure whether he has been indulging in other immoral and unethical acts in his line of business.
It is better that senior management personnel talk to him face-to-face about what prompted him to indulge in this activity. If his answer is not convincing, he can be shown the door. However, without naming the person, it should be brought to the attention of all employees so that they get the message that you mean business and would not tolerate this kind of unethical behavior.
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It is better that senior management personnel talk to him face-to-face about what prompted him to indulge in this activity. If his answer is not convincing, he can be shown the door. However, without naming the person, it should be brought to the attention of all employees so that they get the message that you mean business and would not tolerate this kind of unethical behavior.
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The Reason Behind the Associates' Actions
The reason behind this act from the associates is that the data entry task was to be completed within a stipulated time, which was not sufficient. They were also involved in other tasks, which added extra load on them. It was not appropriate for the organization to involve them in other work during the test period. Additionally, the document to be entered into the database was handwritten, and the data entry had to be done according to a provided template. To save time typing the entire document, they took the typed content from a colleague and then edited and formatted it. They also made additions and deletions to the text.
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The reason behind this act from the associates is that the data entry task was to be completed within a stipulated time, which was not sufficient. They were also involved in other tasks, which added extra load on them. It was not appropriate for the organization to involve them in other work during the test period. Additionally, the document to be entered into the database was handwritten, and the data entry had to be done according to a provided template. To save time typing the entire document, they took the typed content from a colleague and then edited and formatted it. They also made additions and deletions to the text.
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Please clarify or confirm your locus standi regarding this matter or issue. Are you the person involved? Frankly, I fail to understand your logic. Forgive me for being absolutely blunt.
It's like the current set of politicians saying: I did "this and that and that, etc., etc...." for the country—so the Parliament, government, and people should condone my swindling the country, whatever the amounts involved.
Like Dinesh, Kumar, and Raj Kumar mentioned: there's nothing called a 'small' or 'big' mistake. In the given set of rules pertaining to any situation, the rules have to be adhered to. Here, I presume that all the employees taking the test have clarity that whatever was done is 'not permitted' (the reason for my presumption is that otherwise, this would have been the point of argument or discussion).
Looking at the situation you mentioned from purely a psychological perspective, I am sure you know that the quote 'little drops of water make a mighty ocean' also works in the negative direction when applied to human nature. Every...repeat...every act of wrongdoing or corruption we see today originated from some small act being condoned earlier on (why or how isn't the issue nor does it matter at all). Hope you get the point.
I suggest guiding the employees concerned to learn from this mistake and move forward in life.
All the best.
Regards, TS
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It's like the current set of politicians saying: I did "this and that and that, etc., etc...." for the country—so the Parliament, government, and people should condone my swindling the country, whatever the amounts involved.
Like Dinesh, Kumar, and Raj Kumar mentioned: there's nothing called a 'small' or 'big' mistake. In the given set of rules pertaining to any situation, the rules have to be adhered to. Here, I presume that all the employees taking the test have clarity that whatever was done is 'not permitted' (the reason for my presumption is that otherwise, this would have been the point of argument or discussion).
Looking at the situation you mentioned from purely a psychological perspective, I am sure you know that the quote 'little drops of water make a mighty ocean' also works in the negative direction when applied to human nature. Every...repeat...every act of wrongdoing or corruption we see today originated from some small act being condoned earlier on (why or how isn't the issue nor does it matter at all). Hope you get the point.
I suggest guiding the employees concerned to learn from this mistake and move forward in life.
All the best.
Regards, TS
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I am not one of them, but they are from my team. The fact is that everyone taking the test received help from their colleagues. The trainers were present, and the supervisors were also assisting with the answers. So, this test never created an atmosphere of a genuine test. When the supervisor can tell you the answers, then why can't you save your time by not typing something that is already in a scanned document?
One more thing, this test was not a speed test where we could say that the associates cheated by showing better speeds without typing anything. The test aimed to see how well one could represent the data, and the representation was done by everyone independently.
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One more thing, this test was not a speed test where we could say that the associates cheated by showing better speeds without typing anything. The test aimed to see how well one could represent the data, and the representation was done by everyone independently.
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