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HI everyone.........Can someone tell me the difference btw HRM and Personal Managment?? I have to do a presentation with other two partners about this,can u give me some ideas,pls!!!
Thanks for yr help anyway.........God bless u!! :D
2nd December 2004 From United Kingdom,
To my knowledge, a difference exists between Personnel Management and Human Resources Development but at times I come across the terms HRM and HRD being used interchangeably.

According to P. C. Tripathi (2002), Human Resources Development, Sultan Chand & Sons:

1) PM is traditional, routine, maintenance-oriented, administrative function whereas HRD is continuous, on-going development function aimed at improving human processes.

2) PM is an independent function with independent sub-functions. HRD follows the systems thinking approach. It is not considered in isolation from the larger organization and must take into account the linkages and interfaces.

3) PM is reactive, responding to demands as and when they arise. HRD is proactive, anticipating, planning and advancing continuously.

4) PM is the exclusive responsibility of the personnel department. HRD is a concern for all managers in the organization and aims at developing the capabilities of all line managers to carry out the personnel functions.

5) The scope of PM is relatively narrow with a focus on administering people. The scope of HRD views the organization as a whole and lays emphasis on building a dynamic culture.

6) Important motivators in PM are compensation, rewards, job simplification and so on. HRD considers work groups, challenges and creativity on the job as motivators.

7) In PM improved satisfaction is considered to be the cause for improved performance but in HRD it is the other way round (performance is the cause and satisfaction is the result).

Hope this helps you. :)
3rd December 2004
Hi Maggi, Please check your mail. Go through the content & give me a feedback on its utility to you. Shankar Anappindi 91 - 40 - 09849 669966 HR Executive KARVY Group
6th December 2004 From India, Visakhapatnam
Lion, My fd said HRD is diferent to HRM, is it true?? Do u know more abt HRM instead of that, can u give me some more information???If u have,please send me a.s.a.p. Thanks 8)
6th December 2004 From United Kingdom,
Please can you send me the 27 differences between Personnel and HRD??? I’m doing my dissertation on the HR Business Partner role. Any info would be really appreciated.
19th May 2005
Please find enclosed the differences between HR & Personnel Management. Shankar Anappindi 0 9849 669966 Asst. Manager - HR KARVY Group HYDERABAD Andhra Pradesh INDIA
19th May 2005 From India, Visakhapatnam

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Ms. Parimala,
You can find the document attachment in page 1....previous page.
If you still face a problem......let me know.
Shankar Anappindi
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20th May 2005 From India, Visakhapatnam
hi shankar,
there is no attachement with your first page forum message. so if you again post it in the forum or library then it will be of great use to everyone.
thank you for your posting
have a nice time
21st May 2005 From India, Vadodara
Hello Sreenivasan, Find enclosed is the document. Shankar Anappindi 0 9849 669966 Asst. Manager - HR KARVY Group Hyderabad Andhra Pradesh INDIA
21st May 2005 From India, Visakhapatnam

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Hi, Their is difference between HRM and Personnel Management. Kindly englithen me the differences.
31st May 2005 From India, Madras
me too... me too.... me tooo
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:lol: y dont u try uploadin it here again...or jus copy paste the stuff...this forum has more thn 200 members who wld be interested...... i wonder how n wen will u send it to everyone
:wink:
4th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
hello people,
i think shankar has sent me twice that mail to my mail id. so i thought of helping him by posting this difference content mail to you people on behalf of shankar.
so i have attached the doc. people can see it again
5th June 2005 From India, Vadodara

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Hi my name is Benaifar and i am completely new to this forum....there isnt much in terms of input i can give, i have been reading the posts and comments, coz i am a complete novice. I have no work experience in this field.
I am an M.A. in Industrial Psychology.. and i am planning to pursue a career in HR as it complements wot i have studied.....but i am very confused as to how.....
there are courses in HRD as well as HRM.... so which do i go for?.....
I dont want to do an MBA.....
I have been looking at courses both in UK and US they have many nice courses both in HRM and HRD.... while all courses in UK are for a year...most in US are for two years.....
Can anybody help? Please?
Thanx!
10th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Benaifer,
there is a huge difference between study courses of US & UK systems.
Whilst both are knowledgable, most of the US work ethics and practise are limited to huge US multinationals. As you are not planning to do a MBA i would strongly suggest you study only from that region where you plan to work. As far as indian work culture is concerned most of what we adapt is a mix on both us & uk culture but predominantly UK systems is what we follow.
Best wishes
10th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Thanx for the quick reply...
Well there are chances that I might not get a job there I might have to come back... as such will it hamper my prospects here if i do not manage to get a job there?
Benaifar
10th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Dear Colleagues, I did upload the document many a times. Let me know where should I upload it permanantly. Shankar Anappindi 0 9849 669966 Asst. Manager - HR KARVY Group Hyderabad India
18th June 2005 From India, Visakhapatnam
hi shankar,
i know how many times you have uploded it... so may be i can tell you that just ask CHR and upload it in the library.. i donot know how to do that manually... os ask him and so it wil be easy for people.... but i realy have o say that it was good file of difference and good patient work from you in uploadin it many times.......
18th June 2005 From India, Vadodara
Traditionally the practise was of Welfare which than moved on to Personnel Management. This was done because of new laws and legal requirements which required information to be maintained about an employee and to record time and absence etc amongst other things. Post this came HRM which encompasses both welfare and Personnel management and extends beyond in the strategic arena.
HRD has a broader impact in meaning. HRD is the development of the manpower in terms of skill sets, vocation etc at a local, state and national level to ensure availability of skills.
20th June 2005 From India, Bangalore
hi people
again on behalf o shankar i am puttin this post online
see it and read it and ya i want to tell you people the mistake which i have done...
if you try to see the attachment without getting in to your login you cnanot see the attachemtn so.. just login and you can see...
then try to see before post some time to know about the attachements
27th June 2005 From India, Vadodara

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Hello there! Could you be kind enough to give me those 27 differences between Pm and HRM..it would really help me a lot in making a presentation..thanks so much for your help Best regards, Nandan
9th August 2005
The main difference between HR and Personnel Management is the way we look at our staff.
Previously staff were looked at as employees (mainly during the industrial revolution). The main aim was to get the best out of the employees with the best cost. (obviously the lowest)
Now we look at the staff as resources for the company. They are considred assets to the organisation and we aim at providing the best environment and help the staff get the best out of them.
Its basically the change in the way we looked at people
Niranjan
25th August 2005 From India, Madras
Sangeetha Ji!
The attachment is there in 9th page.
if you try to see the attachment without getting in to your login you cnanot see the attachemtn so.. just login and you can see...
then try to see before post some time to know about the attachements
Shankar
10th September 2005 From India, Visakhapatnam
thanx for the file , it was really helpful.
in my opinion the basic difference in Labour / personnel management and HRM us not that much of modus operandi , as it is of diffferent stages of evolution of subject per se , as well as the perception and attitude towards it.
HRM is a far more developed stage of this subject which is extreemely novice in the arena.
regards
manish
12th September 2005 From India, Madras
Dear Shankar,
I have registered today. I am not getting the file of 27 differences between HRD & personnel management.
Will u please send the 27 differences between HRD & Personnel managment
Regards
Abdul
24th October 2005 From India, Chennai
hi,
im a new user if tis cite. u have mentioned tat u ahve a got material on the diferrence between pm & hrm. i request u to kindly mail me aslo.
i'll be really thankfull to u
bye :D hope to get e reply from yr side
25th November 2005
dear swati
conceptual difference between PM and HRM is that PM is reactive, prescriptive and administrative and had control based approach wher as HRM is proactive , descriptive and is having compliance based approach
PM is pople oriented where as HRM is human capital oriented
PM views employee as economic man where as HRM views as social and psycological man also
PM views employee as commoditywhere as HRM views as an asset
PM views employee as cost centrewhere as HRM views as a profit centre
9th January 2006 From India, Kuttanallur
Please make a correction.It is not personal management but it is personnel management.Sorry to point out an error.Thanks Prof.Dr.Christopher Daniel :o
10th January 2006 From India, Coimbatore
According to the "HRM Paractice by Michael Armstrong 8 th edition, 2001, ISBN 0 74943393 0"
The diffrences between PM & HRM can be seen a a matter of emphasis and approach rahter than one of substance. Or, as Hendry and Pettigrew (1190) put it, HRM can be precieved a a "perspective on presonnel management and not personnel management itself"
From her review of the literature, Legge (1989) has idendified three features which seem to distinguish HR & PM:
1. PM is an activity aimed primarily at non-managers whereas HRM is less clearly focused but is certainly more concerned with managerial staff
2. HRM is much more of an integrated line management activity whereas PM seeks to influence line management
3. HRM emphasizes the importance of senior management being involved in the management of culture whereas PM has always been rather suspicious of organization development and related unitarist, social-psychologically orientated idieas.
17th January 2006 From Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar
Hi Maggie,
According to the "HRM Paractice by Michael Armstrong 8 th edition, 2001, ISBN 0 74943393 0"
The diffrences between PM & HRM can be seen a a matter of emphasis and approach rahter than one of substance. Or, as Hendry and Pettigrew (1190) put it, HRM can be precieved a a "perspective on presonnel management and not personnel management itself"
From her review of the literature, Legge (1989) has idendified three features which seem to distinguish HR & PM:
1. PM is an activity aimed primarily at non-managers whereas HRM is less clearly focused but is certainly more concerned with managerial staff
2. HRM is much more of an integrated line management activity whereas PM seeks to influence line management
3. HRM emphasizes the importance of senior management being involved in the management of culture whereas PM has always been rather suspicious of organization development and related unitarist, social-psychologically orientated idieas.
Good luck
Enke

17th January 2006 From Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar
First you have to correct the spelling of personal.That is Personnel.
Major difference between HRM and Personnel Management.
Personnel Management is directly related with the management of people but hrm is related with the management of abtitude, behavior, skills, abilities, creativity, qualities, etc.
Personnel management views man as a economic person but HRM views person having emotions, talents, social and pschological factors and all,
Personnel management treated employee as a cost centre and controls the cost of personnel in the organisation, in HRM employees are treated as profit centre and it invest in HR Development,
Personnel Management utilised employee for organisational benefit but hrm utilize for mutual benefit both for organisation and employees
19th January 2006 From India, Bhopal
Dear Maggie,
Can you forward to me the Word document on the 27 differences between Pers. Mgmt and HRM if you have received the same from Mr. Shankar to my following mail ID

With regards,
R. Saravanan
28th February 2006
hi,
request you to please help me in getting the docc "The difference btw HRM and Personal managment"
request you to please forward me the same to any of the given mail ID's below:
(or)
thanks in advance !!
regards
shastry
17th March 2006
Hi all,
What i have learnt is that Personnel department basically basically deals with day to day activities while HRD department deals with future aspects of the Human Resource such as their training needs (that may arise due to new technological development etc.), futuristic manpower requirements based on new plant set up or new machinery etc.
Let me clear one more thing that HRD i.e., Human Resource Development is the part Human Resource Deptt. One can say like that HRD & Personnel are two sub-parts of the HR department.
Earlier the departments were known as P&A deptt. but now a days these have been referred to as HR deptt. This is only because one major function of developing the Human Resources have been added to the Personnel function and that is Training & Devlopment part.
Thanks,
Vishal Gupta
Deputy Manager - HRD
17th March 2006 From United States
hi,
i thought i could few words on the difference of both categories as well.
personnel management is more staffing function and human resource management is line function or should be driven by line managers.
regards
shamil
9th April 2006 From Sri Lanka
Hi there Shankar Anappindi
Would you please be so kind to email me also the differences between Personnel Management and Human Resources Development? I would really appreciate it...
You's Truely
DurbanChico
21st May 2006
With what i feel,
(Abstract)
Personnel administration is more of Management of Peple - Meaning the focus is more into management (planning, organizing, controlling and staffing).
HRM is more into people management where the focus is more into people - meaning the management activities are driven by the people.
28th September 2006
Hi all,
Guys who are unable to open the link staright away, try right clicking and using the option "Savetargetas"....this generallyworks in most cases......hope it will work for you guys too......
Regards,
Kiran.
14th October 2006 From Netherlands
Thanks all the people in this forum. I have got the document of Difference between HRM and Personnel Management and some useful informaiton.
Next week I have to hand in a essay with 2000 words. The essay is about the differences and similirities between HRM and Personnel Management.
If anyone can give me some information about the similiarities between HRM and Personnel Management, it woule be highly appreciated. THX.
Please give me a reply as soon as possible.
Anna He
31st October 2006
Hi, Is there any chance of one of you sending me the doc, 27 difference between Personnel and HRD. I think it just might be what I am looking for. Thanks for any help. :?:
2nd November 2006
Dear Members, The document is uploaded in the first page itself and in many other pages. Probably you will be able to download it once you login. Shankar Anappindi 0 9849 669966
27th February 2007 From India, Visakhapatnam
As of My knowledge PM and HRM both are inter related.
Personal Management: It deals with employee's Health & Happiness i.e. Involving Personal related matters, counsling, conducting retirement programs, Parties and Tours.
HRM : It is deal with external factors influence on the organization i.e. Labour unions,regulations,Labour laws and Technology innovation.
Personal manager cann't involved in these matters.HRM taking care of Training and development, Recruitment & selection, Performance appraisals, Organization development interventions.
27th February 2007
Hi all,
can some one help me in getting the copy of that file on difffence between HRM and Personal management. I dont know where to go to locate and down load in this site or may be some one can just mail it to me please .
RV
98409 - 19226
1st March 2007 From India, Madras
Hi all,
can some one help me in getting the copy of that file on difffence between HRM and Personal management. I dont know where to go to locate and down load in this site or may be some one can just mail it to me please .
RV
98409 - 19226
1st March 2007 From India, Madras
Kind Attn Mr. Shanker
Dear Sir,
I am unable to down load your valuable analysis of difference betweem Personnel Management and HRM which is a most frequently asking question in every hr interviews. Can you please send the same to my mail if possible.
Thanking you,
P. PARTHA SARATHY - HYD - 9391003951
29th March 2007 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Partha, I have uploaded the document many a times. You will be finding it in one of these sections (if you may go through). Sorry to say this....but please find for yourself. Shankar Anappindi
4th April 2007 From India, Visakhapatnam
The job remains more or less the same.
Just the attitude makes the difference
PM guys take it more as a Chore than as a way of life
PM guys flourish on the power bestowed on them thru one way communications, whereas the HR approach people prefer two way communication
Regards
K2
4th April 2007 From India, Mumbai
Hello Mr.Shankar, If u forward this differenc between Personnel Mgt and HRD. am really happy and its very useful for me. Regards, Jai
16th June 2007 From India, Madras
Role of HRD
HR is an integral function of the whole organization to develop enabling capabilities of the their staff through systems and processes, as defined by Prof. Udai Pareek and Prof. T.V. Rao.In these processes staff members are motivated at individual level,inter-personal level and team level, by challenges and opportunities for the goal of development and creativity.
As compared to this the traditional personnel function is an advisory function for coping with staff problems. It aims at maintaining staff efficiency through the method of salary and rewards.
12th September 2007 From India, Mumbai
hi, Can anyone PLS send me "27 point of difference between HRM and Personnel mgt"? or any link where i can find it! And also the similarities would be useful! Thanx! Dashkin
16th September 2007
hi..
i am priya..iam a pursuing MBA and hav to submit a project on difference between HRM,HRD,PMand IR,which i am finding quite mind boggling...anyone havin some clue kindly provide me with some insight on this but sooooon....
25th December 2007

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