Dear Seniors,
Pl help me. I am in great dilemma.
Its going to be one year for me working in this organization as a Manager - HR. I feel i am losing my identity being here. I am the first HR appointed here. There's absolutely no value for HR in this organisation.
Recently, about few months back I initiated with Swipe card system for Time& attendance management. It was working well and self was monitoring the same. But the situation got worse since a month back. There's some other senior person joined recently in OTHER DEPARTMENT, and he without consulting self & my boss, made manally signing in muster for all employees mandatory. (this is over & above staff using the system for swipe in ie they have to do both). I was not signing the muster initially, but was signing in the device, coz i thought gradully we would do up with the muster thing (for which i had a discussion with my boss and he agreed). When this person happened to notice that i was not signing the muster, he called me and spoke v. rudely, he told me" I would take disciplanary action against you if you dont sign it. Go and sign the same". On me telling this to my boss, he told me to do what he says. No body is happy with this, they in turn asking me how didn't he consult me in this? whats the use of HR here .. blah.. blah.. I dont know what to reply them. He talks to me rudely even now. My boss is helpless in this, coz this person is a senior. I even brought it to the notice of my boss' boss. But nothing happned!! We have invested a lot of money and started off with the device and only wanted to make him understand that. Every organization is progressing with systems and we are going back to old days like a typical government office. With no support from the management, i am actually feeling very dejected and disappointed.
There are many other situations also, when its HR who has to take the decision, they dont consult me. The policy is they decide and i have to listen like a puppet, even if its wrong, i have to abide that.With such developments happening, even i have lost respect in front of staff, even they know there's no use of HR in this organization!!
Seniors, pl tell me how to tacke this situation?
Regards.
Seema
From India, Mumbai
Pl help me. I am in great dilemma.
Its going to be one year for me working in this organization as a Manager - HR. I feel i am losing my identity being here. I am the first HR appointed here. There's absolutely no value for HR in this organisation.
Recently, about few months back I initiated with Swipe card system for Time& attendance management. It was working well and self was monitoring the same. But the situation got worse since a month back. There's some other senior person joined recently in OTHER DEPARTMENT, and he without consulting self & my boss, made manally signing in muster for all employees mandatory. (this is over & above staff using the system for swipe in ie they have to do both). I was not signing the muster initially, but was signing in the device, coz i thought gradully we would do up with the muster thing (for which i had a discussion with my boss and he agreed). When this person happened to notice that i was not signing the muster, he called me and spoke v. rudely, he told me" I would take disciplanary action against you if you dont sign it. Go and sign the same". On me telling this to my boss, he told me to do what he says. No body is happy with this, they in turn asking me how didn't he consult me in this? whats the use of HR here .. blah.. blah.. I dont know what to reply them. He talks to me rudely even now. My boss is helpless in this, coz this person is a senior. I even brought it to the notice of my boss' boss. But nothing happned!! We have invested a lot of money and started off with the device and only wanted to make him understand that. Every organization is progressing with systems and we are going back to old days like a typical government office. With no support from the management, i am actually feeling very dejected and disappointed.
There are many other situations also, when its HR who has to take the decision, they dont consult me. The policy is they decide and i have to listen like a puppet, even if its wrong, i have to abide that.With such developments happening, even i have lost respect in front of staff, even they know there's no use of HR in this organization!!
Seniors, pl tell me how to tacke this situation?
Regards.
Seema
From India, Mumbai
There is no point fighting system, if he is placed in senior position, you will remain junior to him don't argue with him try to go along with him and try to compromise as you must leave yoru ego as senior in organization but by virture of his position he is senior to you.
You must accept facts. he must have reasond to ask employee to sign muster daily and try to learn from his as junior.
When there choose between right and peace better buy peace at the cost of right this is principle where wisdom doesnot prevail onlytime will prove who is right.
Abraham
From Saudi Arabia
1You must accept facts. he must have reasond to ask employee to sign muster daily and try to learn from his as junior.
When there choose between right and peace better buy peace at the cost of right this is principle where wisdom doesnot prevail onlytime will prove who is right.
Abraham
From Saudi Arabia
if you are getting paid for your work then leave ur ego, n respect n stuff, im a shameless person and i dont care what happens in office just be concerned with ur pay ;) ;-);-)
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
Seema...actually i feel you should speak to mangement regarding this...because i feel if that person is heading other department then why is he interfering in your work profile....you r not reporting to him, then why should u listen .you get your reporting level cleared by management and act accordingly .
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
I think poonja is right,
prepare your organization chart and discuss formal deligation of authority and span of control and have open discussion with the management crossfunctional interventions does not help organizational goals as every department has to set their goals and focus on their departmental goals instead of interfering into another department.
This is non-productive activities and total wastage of time by HOD of another function who has no delegation of authority and span of controlling another department.
Regards
partho
From Saudi Arabia
prepare your organization chart and discuss formal deligation of authority and span of control and have open discussion with the management crossfunctional interventions does not help organizational goals as every department has to set their goals and focus on their departmental goals instead of interfering into another department.
This is non-productive activities and total wastage of time by HOD of another function who has no delegation of authority and span of controlling another department.
Regards
partho
From Saudi Arabia
dear Semma,
This is the time that provee every thing right or wrong .Some time we have to be quite but this is not your defeate .I suggest you to remain in the race and don't leave the race till the end. He is senior guy then just accept his order (now this is a situation where there you have to follow him then it is an order only) and after some time start to give suggestion to him. There are lots of things in hr where he can't interfere .And rest of the things like using abusing words then you can stop him speaking like this no one can do in the office like this.
You are intelligent just pass your time once you get the good oppertunity learn from this and then opt the good option but till then learn don't run .
best of luck.8-)
From India, Delhi
This is the time that provee every thing right or wrong .Some time we have to be quite but this is not your defeate .I suggest you to remain in the race and don't leave the race till the end. He is senior guy then just accept his order (now this is a situation where there you have to follow him then it is an order only) and after some time start to give suggestion to him. There are lots of things in hr where he can't interfere .And rest of the things like using abusing words then you can stop him speaking like this no one can do in the office like this.
You are intelligent just pass your time once you get the good oppertunity learn from this and then opt the good option but till then learn don't run .
best of luck.8-)
From India, Delhi
Seema,
Why dont you just ask the senior person why he is not "convinced" with the swipe system? Please tell him that you have no problem in listening to him, but there has been a system in practise and we are tryign to get away with manual work. You see, in manual work people can manipulate.
He may have an ego.
SO, just get a sheet mentioning the cost of installing the same, and the loss of not using it. Forward it to him with a BCC to the Senior Management.
Also, if possible, try getting feedback from employees on which they find it useful to continue with. Please talk to your senior Manaegment once again. I am sure they will understand.
From India, Madras
Why dont you just ask the senior person why he is not "convinced" with the swipe system? Please tell him that you have no problem in listening to him, but there has been a system in practise and we are tryign to get away with manual work. You see, in manual work people can manipulate.
He may have an ego.
SO, just get a sheet mentioning the cost of installing the same, and the loss of not using it. Forward it to him with a BCC to the Senior Management.
Also, if possible, try getting feedback from employees on which they find it useful to continue with. Please talk to your senior Manaegment once again. I am sure they will understand.
From India, Madras
Dear Seniors,
Many thanks to you all for your quick reply.
What is the use of we HR if someone else has to take decision on our part?? Shouldnt we fight for what's right?
Asha - Somedays back he asked me to get a report out of the system, at that time machine was down, and accordingly i told him that once the system is up, i would give him the same. He didn't want to wait for that. Now the system is fully functional. What surprises me, is that he told inspite of this being fully operational, he still wants everyone to sign in the muster manually!!
Yes, u r right, he's v. egoistic!! he had fights with senior mgt as well with some other issues. I brought this to the senior mgts' notice, but they are not taking any action. Whenever i ask my boss any update on the same, he wouild tell me they would take it a right manner, i am sure nothing would happen, if at all they wanted to action it, it would have happened by now!! Even my boss tells me, leave it!! That means even if its wrong, just listen to it!! Employees are not happy coz right now they have to do both!!
Dinesh- Ya, i am in the race, but getting defeated yaar!! to make matters worse, my seniors dont take the necessary action.
Partho,pooja - that's what even i dont understand y he gets in HR functions? coming to his language, he has used such language with me in the past as well. Mgt is aware of the same, but to my bad luck, they dont do anything!!!
Ravi, Abraham- I understand the same. But tell me, should we continue doing something wrong, inspite of knowing it??. here everybody says HR's is of no use!!
Await your feedback.
Regards,
Seema
From India, Mumbai
Many thanks to you all for your quick reply.
What is the use of we HR if someone else has to take decision on our part?? Shouldnt we fight for what's right?
Asha - Somedays back he asked me to get a report out of the system, at that time machine was down, and accordingly i told him that once the system is up, i would give him the same. He didn't want to wait for that. Now the system is fully functional. What surprises me, is that he told inspite of this being fully operational, he still wants everyone to sign in the muster manually!!
Yes, u r right, he's v. egoistic!! he had fights with senior mgt as well with some other issues. I brought this to the senior mgts' notice, but they are not taking any action. Whenever i ask my boss any update on the same, he wouild tell me they would take it a right manner, i am sure nothing would happen, if at all they wanted to action it, it would have happened by now!! Even my boss tells me, leave it!! That means even if its wrong, just listen to it!! Employees are not happy coz right now they have to do both!!
Dinesh- Ya, i am in the race, but getting defeated yaar!! to make matters worse, my seniors dont take the necessary action.
Partho,pooja - that's what even i dont understand y he gets in HR functions? coming to his language, he has used such language with me in the past as well. Mgt is aware of the same, but to my bad luck, they dont do anything!!!
Ravi, Abraham- I understand the same. But tell me, should we continue doing something wrong, inspite of knowing it??. here everybody says HR's is of no use!!
Await your feedback.
Regards,
Seema
From India, Mumbai
Dear Seema,
Leave about the fact that others say HR is of no use.
To win, you must be inthe race and never quit (I mean - never quit from trying)
Let this issue not bother you anymore. Please make sure there is a proof of you raising this issue, and also you should have mentioned in that how manual work is "actually" an idea like getting back to stone age! (not literally)
You see Seema, some people are so used to systems that they cant come out of it - even if you give a better methodology.
My previous boss - was from the army background and believed that anything before we type on the computer, must be wriiten in a notebook (using pencil) and draw lines using scale. He was exceptional at work - but this issue used to really make me and my senior wonder...
He used to dictate, we used to write. And then later type.
Gosh I still remember how we used to stare at each other till he completed.
Sometimes - even the reverse used to happen.
And my friend, in his division, the boss (also from Army background) used to make him draft emails - in a notepad, he used to corerct with PENCIL, ask him to re write and then get his confirmation and type the same on mail and send it across. Though even the boss had a full time net connection and access to email 24x7. My friend - is stil lworking there and doing good, but this thing psyches him. And the boss is the most sought after person by the mgmnt.
(Both these bosses are in HR dept)
And then - something I will never forget. I love stationery and have a habit of collecting fancy good looking stationery stuffs. I was taking my oh-so-cute notebook and heading towards a meeting... finally when I started to write - my boss pulled that book and wrote the "FIRST" page. :icon3: :icon3: wonder whyyyy!!! And he was satisfied after writing in that
Why I quoted the above was - there are certain things u cannot change about people. . . but I guess in the long run they will change when they see the actual benefit. Maybe in future when there is an error in teh manual system.. they will get to understand that. After all - swiping system is efficient, and has a huge price tag. else - its a loss the company will face. .
Keep your cool. Try focusing on other areas for a while. Things will fall back soon in teh right place. Make sure that u have made ur statements clear and have a proof of the same.
Take this as a challenge. Again - if you feel the HR is useless, then yes HR is useless.
Never let somebody elses stupidity doubt your abilities.. I know u r not doubting too. But stop worrying over what others say.
Smalll ppl talk abt other ppl
Medium ppl talk abt things
Great ppl talk abt ideas!
Forget what others are tryign to say abt u... you look at how to make things bette. DOnt look back.
From India, Madras
Leave about the fact that others say HR is of no use.
To win, you must be inthe race and never quit (I mean - never quit from trying)
Let this issue not bother you anymore. Please make sure there is a proof of you raising this issue, and also you should have mentioned in that how manual work is "actually" an idea like getting back to stone age! (not literally)
You see Seema, some people are so used to systems that they cant come out of it - even if you give a better methodology.
My previous boss - was from the army background and believed that anything before we type on the computer, must be wriiten in a notebook (using pencil) and draw lines using scale. He was exceptional at work - but this issue used to really make me and my senior wonder...
He used to dictate, we used to write. And then later type.
Gosh I still remember how we used to stare at each other till he completed.
Sometimes - even the reverse used to happen.
And my friend, in his division, the boss (also from Army background) used to make him draft emails - in a notepad, he used to corerct with PENCIL, ask him to re write and then get his confirmation and type the same on mail and send it across. Though even the boss had a full time net connection and access to email 24x7. My friend - is stil lworking there and doing good, but this thing psyches him. And the boss is the most sought after person by the mgmnt.
(Both these bosses are in HR dept)
And then - something I will never forget. I love stationery and have a habit of collecting fancy good looking stationery stuffs. I was taking my oh-so-cute notebook and heading towards a meeting... finally when I started to write - my boss pulled that book and wrote the "FIRST" page. :icon3: :icon3: wonder whyyyy!!! And he was satisfied after writing in that
Why I quoted the above was - there are certain things u cannot change about people. . . but I guess in the long run they will change when they see the actual benefit. Maybe in future when there is an error in teh manual system.. they will get to understand that. After all - swiping system is efficient, and has a huge price tag. else - its a loss the company will face. .
Keep your cool. Try focusing on other areas for a while. Things will fall back soon in teh right place. Make sure that u have made ur statements clear and have a proof of the same.
Take this as a challenge. Again - if you feel the HR is useless, then yes HR is useless.
Never let somebody elses stupidity doubt your abilities.. I know u r not doubting too. But stop worrying over what others say.
Smalll ppl talk abt other ppl
Medium ppl talk abt things
Great ppl talk abt ideas!
Forget what others are tryign to say abt u... you look at how to make things bette. DOnt look back.
From India, Madras
If none of us convincing to your qery we shall leave it as an exception because wearer knows where the shoe pinches......
We can advise on standard guidelines but in principle management philosophy and its commitment towards professional work culture is key in accepting abnormal individual whims and fancies.... Its management problem and its then not your problem because management do not intend to command and give respect or discuss such abnormality in their group.
You have to then keep silence and accept the office norms and practics as per management tolerance level.
Regards
Rashid
From Saudi Arabia
We can advise on standard guidelines but in principle management philosophy and its commitment towards professional work culture is key in accepting abnormal individual whims and fancies.... Its management problem and its then not your problem because management do not intend to command and give respect or discuss such abnormality in their group.
You have to then keep silence and accept the office norms and practics as per management tolerance level.
Regards
Rashid
From Saudi Arabia
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