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Dear Members,

Greetings of the day.

Seniors and Juniors I would like to share some experience which I had during an interview before 2 days ago.

I was there for Personnel Mgr. There is a gentleman who asked me lots of questions regarding PF / ESIC and for other statutory compliance. I am discussing here the selected points:

1) He asked me about Minimum wages of Gurgaon:-

I answered him that the last minimum wages (unskilled) as per HR govt. is 3510(basis+da), he further asked me about other slabs in respect of this I told him that other slabs are SS, US, Clerical and Graduate etc in the notification but I dont remember the other figures right now then he says that you are working as a Mgr Personnel in your present co. and you dont have the figures, this is unprofessional.

Keeping in view the above I want to ask you all expertise that if I am working here with unskilled manpower and there is no existence of other slabs, it does not mean that I am unaware with Minimum wages concept if there is any requirement for other slab then I will go through the notification and execute the requirement. Is it possible for an individual to remember all the notification at any particular point of time.

What is your suggestion or criticism in respect of this, Please mention your views.

2) HRA in place of DA with basic to become Minimum wages

During this discussion he asked me what is minimum wages and i replied that state govt. set the figure which is Basic + DA, then he asked me if i put HRA instead of DA then it will count as min. wage or not.

I need your valuable point on it, which will be helpful to me for future.

Note: I met with a person overthere who was selected for the post before my interview

Awaiting your kind replies.

Regards
From India, New Delhi

Hra Is 5% Of Basic Or Can Be More Depends On The Company But Da Is Determined By Cost Of Living Index Number, In Maharastra Da Called As Special Allowance, So Basic Plus Special All Should Be More Than Minimum Wage. If You You Dont Have Any Componet Of Da In Salary Structure Than Basic Should Be More Than Basic+da.
Anirban
9867140034
From India, Mumbai
Thanx for your reply but i think u didnot go by my whole post. There are lots of other issues.
From India, New Delhi
I answered him that the last minimum wages (unskilled) as per HR govt. is 3510(basis+da), he further asked me about other slabs in respect of this I told him that other slabs are SS, US, Clerical and Graduate etc in the notification but I dont remember the other figures right now then he says that you are working as a Mgr Personnel in your present co. and you dont have the figures, this is unprofessional.
Is it possible for an individual to remember all the notification at any particular point of time.

Ans. Its normal that you know the slab for unskilled, but when appearing for interview it is presumed that u know other slabs with figures of your industry.
For instance HR of Banking Company shold know the minimun wages for all slabs, though most of us donot used to remember it from heart,but for interview knowing figures will show your familarity with the Act.

So far as the role for interviewer is concerned it is unethical to remark on profession. He may have done this to negotiate the salary part because you dont know the figures.
However, I feel whatever you said in interview is fine, since you know the
concept of minimum wages.
Regards
Anirban
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Pulsar,
In Noida mimumwages are as follows:
Skilled 3889
Semi skilled 3504
Un skilled 3073
and according to state govt. Basic + DA = Minimumwages if we will put HRA instead of DA then it will not count as Minimum wages
Best regards,
Manjari
From India, Delhi
A huge thanks from the bottom of my heart to both of you( Anirhan and Manjari). Manjari pls tell me what u want to know about PPF. I will reply as per my strength. Regards Vikas Kumar
From India, New Delhi
Dear Mr. Pulsar,
M. Wages of Haryana had been revised as per notification sr.no. 28214/308, dt- 27/05/2008 of labour commissioner , Haryana. w.e.f from 01.01.2008.
for unskilled labour - monthly wages are Rs. 3586. and per day is of Rs 138.
for semi skilled (cat A) Rs 3716 and Rs 143 resp.
for semi skilled (cat B) Rs 3846 and Rs 148 resp.
for skilled (cat A ) Rs 3976 and Rs 153
for skilled ( cat B) Rs 4106 and Rs 158
And for highly skilled Rs 4236 on monthly and Rs 163 on per day wages.
Kindly update
Surendra


HRA is a part of minimum wages and if you read the defination of wages as per minimum wages act it clearly states that "wages" means all remuneration capable of being expressed in terms of money which would if the terms of the contract of employment express or implied were fulfilled be payable to a person employed in respect of his employment or of work done in such employment and includes house rent allowance but does not include -
(i) the value of -
(a) any house accommodation supply of light water medical attendance or
(b) any other amenity or any service excluded by general or special order of the appropriate government;
(ii) any contribution paid by the employer to any person fund or provident fund or under any scheme of social insurance;
(iii) any traveling allowance or the value of any traveling concession;
(iv) any sum paid to the person employed to defray special expenses entailed on him by the nature of his employment; or
(v) any gratuity payable on discharge;
From India, Faridabad
Hi,Recently I have gone through this, similar experience..... I have from software company a very small organization...n even I was asked about several laws, in depth n each n every detail...Personally I feel that as in when we are required and as per the needs of our organization's requiements, we can accquire knowledge...but........when it comes to interview, we should know each n everything...for example if one says he/she knows about maternity benefit act, then each n every detail should be known..u have to be thorough in fundamentals n theories..this was advised to me by the interviewr (who had around 4 to 5 yrs of exp n CMMI 5 level co), when he decided that i do not fit his requirements..n i think during interview we should know details of whatever we have implemented...Pls do reply or mail me at
From India, Pune
I dont know whether watever you have asked, have I justified it or not...just correct me if m wrong...
From India, Pune
thanks like this very much friends for giving these valuable information.
i would lile to know much about minimum wages i like to know that is it different from state to state.as i m fresher mba student please help me
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Pulsar,
If we add HRA in place of DA than it will not counted as part of minimum wages as in the act it is clearly mentioned that BAsis+DA equals minimum wage. HRA is something which employers generally put when increments are done for the employees who are getting minimum wages as salary...just to reduce their cost...as if they add the incremented amount in minimum wage than they have to pay more contribution wrt ESI, PF, WC etc.
Also the person who asked you all figures of MW was on wrong track. I am working with a rural retail giant...i ahve to take care of 08 states...its very difficult for us remember MW of each state....if anyone asks i can't answer it.....as my work is to track the notifications and impliment the orders accordingly.
Rgds
Sant
From India
Dear Sir,

I am giving some information regarding Minimum Wages Act 1948

This is for all who is not having knowledge Minimum Wages Act

Object of the ActTo provide for fixing minimum rates of wages in certain employments

Fixation of Minimum Rates of Wages: The appropriate government to fix minimum rates of wages. The employees employed in para 1 or B of Schedule either at 2 or either part of notification u/s 27. To make review at such intervals not exceeding five years the minimum rates or so fixed and revised the minimum rates. Government can also fix Minimum Wages for • Time work • Piece work at piece rate • Piece work for the purpose of securing to such employees on a time work basis • Overtime work done by employees for piece work or time rate workers.

Minimum Rates of Wages: Such as Basic rates of wages etc. Variable DA and Value of other concessions etc. Sec. 4

Procedure for fixing and revising Minimum Rates of Wages: Appointing Committee issue of Notification etc. Sec. 5

Composition of Committee: Representation of employer and employee in schedule employer in equal n umber and independent persons not exceeding 1/3rd or its total number one such person to be appointed by the Chairman. Sec. 9

Payment of Minimum Rates of Wages:Employer to pay to every employee engated in schedule employment at rate not less than minimum rates of wages as fixed by Notification by not making deduction other than prescribed. Sec.12

Wages of workers who works for less than normal working days :Save as otherwise hereinafter provided, be entitled to receive wages in respect of work done by him on that day as if he had worked for a full normal working day. Sec.15

Wages for two class of work: Where an employee does two or more classes of work to each of which a different minimum rate of wages is applicable, wages at not less than the minimum rate in respect of each such class. Sec. 16

Maintenance of registers and records:
• Register of Fines – Form I Rule 21(4)
• Annual Returns – Form III Rule 21 (4-A)
• Register for Overtime – Form IV Rule 25
• Register of Wages–Form X, Wages slip–Form XI, Muster Roll–Form V Rule 26
• Representation of register – for three year Rule 26-A Sec. 18

Minimum time rate wages for piece work: Not less than minimum rates wages as fixed . Sec. 17

Claims by employees:• To be filed by before authority constituted under the Act within 6 months.

Penalities Offence Punishment: For paying less than minimum rates of wages. Imprisonment upto 6 months or with fine upto Rs.500/-



Sec. 20 For contravention of any provisions:

pertaining to fixing hours for normal
working day etc.
Imprisonment upto 6 months

Regards,
Prasad
From India, Bhubaneswar
Good Morning to all experts,

Thank you very much for your valuable thoughts. Reply about minimum wages(HRA in place of DA) is still contradictory.


Note: have a look into Anjali sharma and Sant's views in this respect

Regards


Vikas Kumar
From India, New Delhi
Dear Pulsur and Other friends

Ms. Anjali sharma has rightly provided the defination of minimum wage as per the Act

Which I reproduced below

"wages" means all remuneration capable of being expressed in terms of money which would if the terms of the contract of employment express or implied were fulfilled be payable to a person employed in respect of his employment or of work done in such employment and includes house rent allowance but does not include -

(i) the value of -

(a) any house accommodation supply of light water medical attendance or

(b) any other amenity or any service excluded by general or special order of the appropriate government;

(ii) any contribution paid by the employer to any person fund or provident fund or under any scheme of social insurance;

(iii) any traveling allowance or the value of any traveling concession;

(iv) any sum paid to the person employed to defray special expenses entailed on him by the nature of his employment; or

(v) any gratuity payable on discharge;

Now I just want all readers to read the defination

It is clearly mentioned that house accomodation not included in in Wage

HRA ( house rent alowance) is nothing but house accomodation
so HRA canot be included in minimun wages.

There are lots of judgement of S.C on this point.
IF you want any S.C rullings I will Ready to post it.

Regards
Anirban
Advocate & HR Consultant
From India, Mumbai
Dear allHRA is not a part of Min. Wages defined under the MW Act 1948.Every state have their own MIN. Wages, Min. wages even differ from industry to industry.thanksPK Tripathi
From India, Faridabad
Dear Pulsar,Your interviwer was quite rude.A HR Professional is working in Particular state, he / she should have a knowledge of Minimum wages of all categories i.e.unskilled, semiskilled, skilled, highly-skilled.Atleast oneshould update before going for interview.HRA is not part of Minimum wages. Minimum wage: Basic+ Dearness Allowances ( D.A. )Dearness Allowances changes after every six months and notification is available in Labour office. Minimum HRA paid is 5% of BASIC+D.A.Provident Fnd is calculated as 12% of Basic+ D.A.as employee contribution.Employers contribution is 8.33%Pension Accont and 3.67% is Provident Fund Account.Aslo if Basic exceeds Rs 6500/- then employer has a right to deduct P.F on 6500/-.In case of ESIC, Employers Contribution 4.75% and Employees contribution is 1.75%Hope yor query is resolved.Regards,Nimish Joshi9969526325
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr. Pulsar180,

As far as minimum wages is concerned please read carefully under mentioned :

REVISION OF MINIMUM WAGE IN HARYANA STATE WITH EFFECT FROM: 01.01.2008

As per the letter No. 28214-308 dated : 27/05/08 , issued from the Office of Labour Commissioner , Haryana , please note following for your reference and action.

As per the Minimum Wage rate for all category of Workmen Rs.76.00 [ Seventy Six ] has been increased in case of monthly rated & Rs.3.00 [Three] has been increased in case of daily rated workman. The different category has been shown in the table, given below:

SL.NO
CATEGORY
MONTHLY WAGE
DAILY WAGE
1
Unskilled
Rs.3586.00
Rs.138.00
2
Semi-Skilled (A)
Semi-Skilled(B)
Rs.3716.00
Rs.3846.00
Rs.143.00
Rs.148.00
3
Skilled (A)
Skilled (B)
Rs.3976.00
Rs.4106.00
Rs.153.00
Rs.158.00
4
Highly Skilled
Rs.4236.00
Rs.163.00

In addition to above , following rate(s) have been fixed in the field of “Brick-Klin”

Pathera
Bharat wala
Keri wala(per 1000)
Nikasi wala(per 1000)
Chinai wala (Per Month )
Mistri
(Per Month )
Brick
Tiles
A
B
204.00
230.00
92.00
76.00
16.00
67.00
3976.00
3976.00

If we discussed regarding attitude of interviewer and candidate, There are some ego problems may be or may not be. We supposed to prepare well before apearing for any interview & cant comment / bet with interviewer,
They may be wrong of may not be. but we have to be open, polite & keen learner.

Do not blame any one, prepare yourself for all conditions / situations in future.
"Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."
Thomas A. Edison

From India, Gurgaon
"Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."
Thomas A. Edison


Please see this is the last revised minimum wages of haryana govt.

REVISION OF MINIMUM WAGE IN HARYANA STATE WITH EFFECT FROM: 01.01.2008


As per the letter No. 28214-308 dated : 27/05/08 , issued from the Office of Labour Commissioner , Haryana , please note following for your reference and action.

As per the Minimum Wage rate for all category of Workmen Rs.76.00 [ Seventy Six ] has been increased in case of monthly rated & Rs.3.00 [Three] has been increased in case of daily rated workman. The different category has been shown in the table, given below:

SL.NO
CATEGORY
MONTHLY WAGE
DAILY WAGE
1
Unskilled
Rs.3586.00
Rs.138.00
2
Semi-Skilled (A)
Semi-Skilled(B)
Rs.3716.00
Rs.3846.00
Rs.143.00
Rs.148.00
3
Skilled (A)
Skilled (B)
Rs.3976.00
Rs.4106.00
Rs.153.00
Rs.158.00
4
Highly Skilled
Rs.4236.00
Rs.163.00


In addition to above , following rate(s) have been fixed in the field of “Brick-Klin”

Pathera
Bharat wala
Keri wala(per 1000)
Nikasi wala(per 1000)
Chinai wala (Per Month )
Mistri
(Per Month )
Brick
Tiles
A
B
204.00
230.00
92.00
76.00
16.00
67.00
3976.00
3976.00


You may forgotten all the episode you have faced at the time of interview, we cannot comment / bet for that interviewer, But you have to prepare yourself for future challlanges.

Keep smiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Friend,
As a professional, you must know everything about your profession not only those things which are applicable to your organisation.
As far as putting HRA or DA in minimum wages is concerned. DA is covered in minimum wages as it depends on cost of living in that particular region/state, while HRA does on depent on cost of living.
Regards,
From India, Bangalore
Dear Friends i'm kittu here, i need information on the minimum wage slabs for skilled, semi skilled and un skilled employees in andhra pradesh. could you pl help me on this
with regards
Kirti Kothari
From India, Hyderabad
HRA CANT BE COMPONENT OF MIN WAGES

2. Interpretation

In this Act unless there is anything repugnant in the subject or context -

(c) "competent authority" means the authority appointed by the appropriate government by notification in its Official Gazette to ascertain from time to time the cost of living index number applicable to the employees employed in the scheduled employments specified in such notification;

(d) "cost of living index number" in relation to employees in any scheduled employment in respect of which minimum rates of wages have been fixed means the index number ascertained and declared by the competent authority by notification in the Official Gazette to be the cost of living index number applicable to employee in such employment;

(g) "schedule employment" means an employment specified in the Schedule or any process or branch of work forming part of such employment;

(h) "wages" means all remuneration capable of being expressed in terms of money which would if the terms of the contract of employment express or implied were fulfilled be payable to a person employed in respect of his employment or of work done in such employment and includes house rent allowance but does not include -

(i) the value of -

(a) any house accommodation supply of light water medical attendance or

(b) any other amenity or any service excluded by general or special order of the appropriate government;

(ii) any contribution paid by the employer to any person fund or provident fund or under any scheme of social insurance;

(iii) any traveling allowance or the value of any traveling concession;

(iv) any sum paid to the person employed to defray special expenses entailed on him by the nature of his employment; or

(v) any gratuity payable on discharge;

Regards
Anirban
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Pulsar,
Minimum wage=Basic+DA.We never count HRA in place of DA.And for ur more information about bascic wage for skilled and unskilled labour ,please find the attachment herewith.I hope its useful for u.
U faced this type of questions,its happened because they may find the suitable candidate before ur interview and how can say no thats why they are asking this type of questions.Its happend with my one of the friend also.
Thanks & Regards,
Dipali Lakhani
From India, Ahmadabad

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My dear friend,
Every state notifies minimum wages on yearly basis. Other than Basic Wage and DA none of the other components come under minimum wages nor notify. You can give different names to different salary component provided you show basic wage and DA wages as per minimum wages notification in all the registers & reocrds pertaining to wages.
best regards,
dat
From India, Udupi
Dear All,
This link may help you all.
Paycheck.in - Haryana
From India, Mumbai
It is not possible to one to remember all the schedules and slabs and it is not required also. A Personnel Manager is not a supernatural hero. The interviewer should not have commented on it. There should be some personal interests for him to drop you. Don't worry, you will get a better opportunity.
The Minimum EWages comprises of a basic rate of wages and a Dearness Allowance variable according to changes in cost of living index. This Variable DA is not a percentage of Basic wages but will be equal to all employed in the industry as a whole. Whatever be the composition of salary, if element of VDA is absent the same cannot be treated as minimum wages as per the Act. As such HRA cannot replace DA and even if you pay HRA to workers to whom the Minimum Wages Act applies, you have to pay VDA also. Since HRA will not take into account the cost of living index the HRA will not compensate the DA.
Regards,
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Hi........
If any interviewer does not want a candidate whom he is interviewing, he will ask tricky questions and put you in trouble and in the last he will say you are unprofessional. It is quite common now a days and we have to face it. This is my opinion.
KRISHNAMOORTHY
From India, Mumbai
Dear pulsar,
Don't regret for not knowing all the figures on your tip. It is impossible. We cannot go about memorising all byheart. Even as a HR Manager in Chennai, I don't know many of these figures so always I have a ready reckoner book (latest edition) with me for reference.
Many managers ask these just to pull off the interview time and for the sake of questioning the candidate. Many amendments in PF/ESI/P-tax etc are happening and sometimes we may not know that. So we have to cross check with updates and for that matter one cannot be scolded or humiliated. No one is perfect...!!
Incase of doubts, you can always ask the citeHR friends here or search the Net.
In the absence of pay components, the consolidated Gross itself is considered as Basic. Unless otherewise mentioned in the structure, you don't have DA/HRA/Cony?others.
So Min wages means Basic or (Basic+DA).
Keep going dear.
Regards,
Chandru
Manager - HR, Chennai
From India, Madras
Well said Madhu. I think our realtime senior managers are good enough to demotivate the new comers to HR arena. It all foes with personal attitude. What to do..!!!
From India, Madras
Hi,
If you don't have any component as D.A. in your Salary Structure then your Basic should be consisting(Basic+ DA) and yes should be as per minimum wages for any category,H.R.A. will never be considered as a D.A.
Regards
Amit Bahuguna

Interview-nothing but the eye wash, really saying most of the IT companies HR manager work in Selfish manner.you can ask me how?they are not asking the relevant question which supports the designation even my friend most of them raise question like this,wantedly they shoot unwanted question.funny HRs always use to ask funny question.
From India, Madras
As per my knoledge Basic + Da is essential if you remove the DA then you will have to give basic more than Basic + da. HRA will on 5% on that is mandatory as per min House Rent Act. Govt. declaire min wages Basic+DA and they assume min 5% HRA will be given extra by employer to worker where the HRA act Applies.
From India, Mumbai
Minimum wages = Basic + DA only.( HRA is not a substitute of DA) HRA is subject to payment of HRA act and that is minimum 5% of the Basic +DA is payable.
From India, Mumbai
Dear,
I am giving hereunder the suggesion pointwise : -
1. Minimum Wages : Curretnt Minimum Wages is US-Rs. 3588/-, SS (A)Rs.3716/-, SS(B) Rs.3846/-, SK (A) Rs.3976/-, SK (B) Rs.4106/-, HS Rs.4236/-. If you worked in same nature of company then this question is genune. You should aware to all the slabes.
2. DA : - As per the judgement we cant split the minimum wages to the purpose to save the pf contribution. That's why within MW,we can't replace the DA with HRA. After crossing the limit of MW we can replace DA with HRA.
I hope your point is cleared.
Rgds/Jitender
From India, New Delhi
Dear Mr.Pulsar 180CC
Minimum Wages: According to Minimum wages act 1948. Wage includes HRA but doesnot include PF contribution by employer, gratuity payable.
Hence that minimum wages what are all declared by State Governments, we have to bifurcate as Basic+DA+HRA. These 3 components should equal to the total minimum wages.
This is my ideA about this.
Thank you,
Regards,
Swaroop
HR
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Friends,

I agree with the views of Anjali and others that minimum wages will include HRA as it is clearly and without any doubt provided in the definition itself and what is excluded is any House Accommodation provided by the employer, there is difference between HRA and physical house provided by the employer.

views invited,

Regards,
Sanjiv

From France, Courbevoie
Dear Manjiri,
You should know , what is the min. wages for skilled, semi skilled and unskilled. You must also know the break up of Basic + DA (updated).
About HRA, it can not be considered in to Basic.
They may ask you such questions to confuse/check your knowledge. Be firm on your answers. Always update knowledge.
regards
Nitin Nikam

As per the Minimum Wages ACT for minimum Wages as notified by the govt means Basic+DA and any other component that you are saying like HRA, Conv or any components other that you say are assumed to be taken care while deciding the Minimum Wages.
You can check any of the Minimum Wages Notification
Regards,
MRN

Dear All
Pls understand that, minimum wages is only basic + da. No other allwances are included into it.
For PF also , we consider only basic and da.
Even if your gross salary is Rs 50,000 / pm, your basic must be as per minimum wages .
In some states, for skilles workers it is Rs 4000/ pm (basic + da).
That means your basic allowance must be min. Rs 4000/.
regards
Niitn Nikam

Hi! I appreciate ur intesting post..
Regarding Basic + HRA to become Min. wages
Min. Wage constitutes Basic + DA, anyother emolument or fraction or emolument can't be counted under this term under the Minimum Wages Act..
Regarding Slabs unanswered
Well, Being a Manager, It was not as necessary as it was showed, at that moment, to remember tiny issues like this or that..
Don't let your hair down with this kind of happenings, It may be predecided interview..
Regards
From India, New Delhi
Dear Manjari and pulsar,
Acording to supreme court judegement, a total sum paid to workmen should be considered for minimum wages.Whatever other components such as hra, conveyance and special allowanc paid by the employer are to be taken into consideration for fullfilling minimum wages. Hence hra should be taken into consideration for meeting minimum wages.
Roy
From India, Madras
The minimum wage is the basic wage that every employee has a right to get it from their employer. Every year the state govt of every state will fix minimum wage rates.
For example, you can find the minimum wage rates of Haryana here Haryana Minimum Wages 2018 Latest Notification
From India, Nellore
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