Dear All,Be Careful!!
What was happened with me – the same may be repeated with anybody at the time of interview!! So be careful while giving interview!!
I am working with telecom based origination. I had received a call from Manager HR of another telecom based organization regarding interview for the senior level position. I qualified all three rounds taken by their seniors then I had left with final round with their CEO. After he interview CEO asked me about each and every thing of my company like ; who is doing recruitment / generic / project / inventory / commercial work and also about contact numbers of my seniors for verification after selection. After a long discussion he told me that he will call me tomorrow and for further schedule.
But I didn't receive any call form him. After few days my Sr. Executive – HR has resigned. After one week Dy. Manager Projects, 6 technicians and 4 Jr. Engineers has resigned from the organization. I was wondered!!, after a deep verification I came to know that they all joined the same organization where I had interviewed.
It was shock able for me that how diplomatic they (where I interviewed) are. They interviewed me and collecting the information of my organization and break my employees. It was so sad!! Even senior level employees and CEO of that organization were cheap!!
From this I learnt a lesson that never tell any interviewer any references before selection
I want your suggestion and comments regarding the same!!
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Pankaj
From India, New delhi
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13What was happened with me – the same may be repeated with anybody at the time of interview!! So be careful while giving interview!!
I am working with telecom based origination. I had received a call from Manager HR of another telecom based organization regarding interview for the senior level position. I qualified all three rounds taken by their seniors then I had left with final round with their CEO. After he interview CEO asked me about each and every thing of my company like ; who is doing recruitment / generic / project / inventory / commercial work and also about contact numbers of my seniors for verification after selection. After a long discussion he told me that he will call me tomorrow and for further schedule.
But I didn't receive any call form him. After few days my Sr. Executive – HR has resigned. After one week Dy. Manager Projects, 6 technicians and 4 Jr. Engineers has resigned from the organization. I was wondered!!, after a deep verification I came to know that they all joined the same organization where I had interviewed.
It was shock able for me that how diplomatic they (where I interviewed) are. They interviewed me and collecting the information of my organization and break my employees. It was so sad!! Even senior level employees and CEO of that organization were cheap!!
From this I learnt a lesson that never tell any interviewer any references before selection
I want your suggestion and comments regarding the same!!
Regards
Pankaj
From India, New delhi
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Hope you know ..It`s called Headhunting. You are head huntered by competitor company. Mostly companies do these kind of job
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Good companies take the reference number and talk to the concerned person in front of the interviewee. When the interviewer fails to do so, your antennae should be on alert...
Another way to dodge this question is, "I don't mind giving the numbers of my colleagues, if you can assure me the job for which I have applied is mine." 😛
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Another way to dodge this question is, "I don't mind giving the numbers of my colleagues, if you can assure me the job for which I have applied is mine." 😛
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Thank you "GlobalHunt" and thanks to Sugam!!
For "Headhunting": As per you, it is okay from an HR perspective, and I agree with the same. However, consider the CEO of that company - he is also involved in this. What about him? I would like to have your comment.
For Sugam: I am satisfied with your statement, but that was my final round with the CEO; that's why I don't have any doubts anymore.
I am waiting for more professional suggestions.
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For "Headhunting": As per you, it is okay from an HR perspective, and I agree with the same. However, consider the CEO of that company - he is also involved in this. What about him? I would like to have your comment.
For Sugam: I am satisfied with your statement, but that was my final round with the CEO; that's why I don't have any doubts anymore.
I am waiting for more professional suggestions.
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Hi guys,
This is seriously an interesting case. I thank you, Pankaj, for sharing this. As an HR professional, I do believe politics is a part of competition, and politics doesn't have morals; it's all about smartness. I don't blame the new company for the trick they have used because they are working towards their requirements.
We also indulge in petty politics in our life for certain small issues. But for a company, this is a small issue because it helped in their cost-cutting process. I'm sorry for you, though. I can understand how much it can hurt a person. We have to take it as professionals and proceed.
I would not suggest you join the same company, but I would definitely suggest you stay positive. If you are working in the old company, I believe you are a senior employee of the company now. Take this as an opportunity and work towards your career. It's just a suggestion.
Any suggestions regarding this case, I will be keen to know.
Wishing you all the best.
Kranthi
kkranthi2007@yahoo.co.in
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This is seriously an interesting case. I thank you, Pankaj, for sharing this. As an HR professional, I do believe politics is a part of competition, and politics doesn't have morals; it's all about smartness. I don't blame the new company for the trick they have used because they are working towards their requirements.
We also indulge in petty politics in our life for certain small issues. But for a company, this is a small issue because it helped in their cost-cutting process. I'm sorry for you, though. I can understand how much it can hurt a person. We have to take it as professionals and proceed.
I would not suggest you join the same company, but I would definitely suggest you stay positive. If you are working in the old company, I believe you are a senior employee of the company now. Take this as an opportunity and work towards your career. It's just a suggestion.
Any suggestions regarding this case, I will be keen to know.
Wishing you all the best.
Kranthi
kkranthi2007@yahoo.co.in
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Guys, I would also like to remind you about the latest example of using others' skills. Have you come across the recent ad regarding Airtel DTH where they increased the curiosity of the public by showing a 10-second commercial? A sofa drops in with a tagline "See you at home soon." Reliance Big TV has used it to its advantage by staging another ad of the same for their marketing purposes. It is also a 10-second ad with the same tagline minus "soon" in it. A sofa is there, and Reliance talks about Big TV and states, "See you at home." It's professional politics.
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Dear Kranthi Kumar,
Thanks for your valuable suggestions.
Right now, I haven't switched my job only because it was my responsibility to stand by the company after attrition. This experience has been a valuable lesson for me, highlighting that "HR is an everyday learning process."
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Thanks for your valuable suggestions.
Right now, I haven't switched my job only because it was my responsibility to stand by the company after attrition. This experience has been a valuable lesson for me, highlighting that "HR is an everyday learning process."
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Hello Chandan,
So you were cheated and felt bad. You have every right to be. If this is HR, it is certainly cheap. I thought HR was about transparency, sincerity, moral responsibility, etc. Maybe I am old-fashioned. Anyway, you have done the right thing by continuing in the same company.
Regards,
Abha.
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So you were cheated and felt bad. You have every right to be. If this is HR, it is certainly cheap. I thought HR was about transparency, sincerity, moral responsibility, etc. Maybe I am old-fashioned. Anyway, you have done the right thing by continuing in the same company.
Regards,
Abha.
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I'm sorry for what has happened with you. But, my dear friend, don't you think you have also committed a mistake by giving so many references? Being a person from HR, you should have some idea about the market and its policies. If you don't have... no problem, but whenever you face an awkward situation, you should get the idea, okay? Something is going wrong. Here, you have given every info because you had confidence that you will get the job. And then, when you have to leave the old company, what harm is there in informing them? And here, you made a mistake. You should have realized that something was off. The same situation occurred with my friend, but he knew that something was not right. So, he replied, "First, give me an offer letter, and I'll tell you everything after joining the company."
Don't take it otherwise, my friend, but this is not the 1980s where the situation was different from the current scenario. Today, in the era of competition, it is not easy to find the best but trustworthy employee. Companies think this way, and for that, what they did was somewhat wrong, but not entirely. We can call it a business strategy. So, don't worry. This is the world; things happen.
Anyways, for your job search, thanks for reading my post so seriously.
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Don't take it otherwise, my friend, but this is not the 1980s where the situation was different from the current scenario. Today, in the era of competition, it is not easy to find the best but trustworthy employee. Companies think this way, and for that, what they did was somewhat wrong, but not entirely. We can call it a business strategy. So, don't worry. This is the world; things happen.
Anyways, for your job search, thanks for reading my post so seriously.
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Pankaj,
Thanks for sharing your views. This is exclusively HeadHunting. But it's good that you stayed back with your current company. All I suggest you is, henceforth, don't give any sort of reference till you get your offer letter in your hand. As an HR, I know we usually take reference for verifications only but it includes ex-colleague or friends etc. If you were clever, you could have given your ex-colleague or friends as a reference. All the best for your career.
Regards,
Vidyasagar
From India, Bangalore
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Thanks for sharing your views. This is exclusively HeadHunting. But it's good that you stayed back with your current company. All I suggest you is, henceforth, don't give any sort of reference till you get your offer letter in your hand. As an HR, I know we usually take reference for verifications only but it includes ex-colleague or friends etc. If you were clever, you could have given your ex-colleague or friends as a reference. All the best for your career.
Regards,
Vidyasagar
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Hi Friends,
I am an IT professional. After performing well and working full time for 30 days, the company did not pay me my salary. When I asked the concerned person about this, he told me to leave the company. The company did not inform me about this in the previous month, and now they are saying they won't pay the salary and incentives, and that I should leave the company.
Please let me know about this issue. My plan is to approach the labor court regarding this matter. Please help me out as soon as possible.
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I am an IT professional. After performing well and working full time for 30 days, the company did not pay me my salary. When I asked the concerned person about this, he told me to leave the company. The company did not inform me about this in the previous month, and now they are saying they won't pay the salary and incentives, and that I should leave the company.
Please let me know about this issue. My plan is to approach the labor court regarding this matter. Please help me out as soon as possible.
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Hi Chandan,
Whenever you are in an interview, avoid discussing your current employer's confidential information. Revealing such details can create a negative impression, suggesting that you may also share the interviewer's confidential information in the future. If asked about your current employer's confidential information, simply respond by stating, "this is confidential information that I shouldn't reveal. Sorry." This approach will leave a positive impression on an honest employer.
I worked at a leading garment company in Chennai. During an interview at another garment company, I was questioned about my current employer. I used the above response, and it helped me secure the job as the interviewer was impressed by my answer. This experience is my own.
Always prioritize loyalty. Loyalty and honesty are essential virtues that will protect and advance both you and your career.
From India, Madras
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Whenever you are in an interview, avoid discussing your current employer's confidential information. Revealing such details can create a negative impression, suggesting that you may also share the interviewer's confidential information in the future. If asked about your current employer's confidential information, simply respond by stating, "this is confidential information that I shouldn't reveal. Sorry." This approach will leave a positive impression on an honest employer.
I worked at a leading garment company in Chennai. During an interview at another garment company, I was questioned about my current employer. I used the above response, and it helped me secure the job as the interviewer was impressed by my answer. This experience is my own.
Always prioritize loyalty. Loyalty and honesty are essential virtues that will protect and advance both you and your career.
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Thanks for sharing this with all of us. This is actually called headhunting, as a couple of members already mentioned. But I have heard for the first time that a CEO can personally call a candidate and have them map the entire company according to his needs. Anybody could have felt bad like Chandan, but I want to ask all the members out here: what if people like Chandan get harsh on giving references? Otherwise, say if some consultancy calls up and asks for a lead. Most of us are in recruitment firms, and we all know what kind of methods we adopt to get names from XYZ companies. We even do not mind taking leads from job portals, probably junior guys, and showing them the career ladder and fetching out names from them.
I do not know how far it is correct, but can headhunting ever be ethical? And if not, I must say that companies, front desk, receptionists, etc., are getting smarter, and they do not even transfer calls these days because every management, especially HR, is training on these issues. So, in that case, how far will the headhunting business continue? And how well will the consultants or research associates be able to meet the requirements of their clients by getting the cream from every organization and coping up with their performance and incentives? I think we should ponder over this.
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I do not know how far it is correct, but can headhunting ever be ethical? And if not, I must say that companies, front desk, receptionists, etc., are getting smarter, and they do not even transfer calls these days because every management, especially HR, is training on these issues. So, in that case, how far will the headhunting business continue? And how well will the consultants or research associates be able to meet the requirements of their clients by getting the cream from every organization and coping up with their performance and incentives? I think we should ponder over this.
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Dear All,
Discussion on this topic only for cheating and recruitment? But I think, why did Pankaj share company's secrets such as projects, inventory, commercial, etc., in the interview phase? I have to slightly agree with Kranti Kumar, so why are we not looking at the opposite side of the coin?
So, be positive, and we can all learn from such incidents.
Regards,
Yemdey
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Discussion on this topic only for cheating and recruitment? But I think, why did Pankaj share company's secrets such as projects, inventory, commercial, etc., in the interview phase? I have to slightly agree with Kranti Kumar, so why are we not looking at the opposite side of the coin?
So, be positive, and we can all learn from such incidents.
Regards,
Yemdey
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Hi Pankaj,
This is really a good post, which would give many the idea of how to present themselves and talk about their past employer. It sounds funny on one side and really horrible on the other side. However, as for me, I will go with the decision of the HR manager because anyone who takes up the interview must be very cautious when presenting information about their ex-employer.
Regards,
Samji
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This is really a good post, which would give many the idea of how to present themselves and talk about their past employer. It sounds funny on one side and really horrible on the other side. However, as for me, I will go with the decision of the HR manager because anyone who takes up the interview must be very cautious when presenting information about their ex-employer.
Regards,
Samji
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Hi Chandan,
As of now, it's a common trend. I mean, it's nothing but a manipulative attitude of HR professionals for headhunting. Well, in the present scenario, nothing is right or wrong; it's up to you how you will perceive and justify your profession.
Take care.
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As of now, it's a common trend. I mean, it's nothing but a manipulative attitude of HR professionals for headhunting. Well, in the present scenario, nothing is right or wrong; it's up to you how you will perceive and justify your profession.
Take care.
From India, Delhi
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I am happy that you have gotten over this grisly episode. I once again reiterate, ethical companies guided by strong values will not resort to unscrupulous means. Good luck to you in your next interview.
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Thank you for sharing this topic. A similar thing happened in my office. We are into designing, and my competitor pulled one of my senior designers in the month of May. By the end of June, I lost 20 trained employees to the same company. In today's scenario, headhunting is inevitable.
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Pankaj,
I think you have made a mistake during the interview. You might have gotten excited after clearing all interview rounds and disclosed all the details to the other company's CEO. Otherwise, it won't be that easy for them to poach so many employees from your company. This is my view; correct me if I am wrong.
This is a poor way of headhunting. As consultants, we also headhunt individuals but not in this manner. I personally advise you not to provide any references of your company's employees during the interview and refrain from disclosing too many details. If interviewers inquire extensively about your current organization, inform them that you will provide all details if you are selected and decide to join the company.
Good Day.
Sneha Jassuja
From India, Mumbai
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I think you have made a mistake during the interview. You might have gotten excited after clearing all interview rounds and disclosed all the details to the other company's CEO. Otherwise, it won't be that easy for them to poach so many employees from your company. This is my view; correct me if I am wrong.
This is a poor way of headhunting. As consultants, we also headhunt individuals but not in this manner. I personally advise you not to provide any references of your company's employees during the interview and refrain from disclosing too many details. If interviewers inquire extensively about your current organization, inform them that you will provide all details if you are selected and decide to join the company.
Good Day.
Sneha Jassuja
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Mr. Pankaj,
We appreciate your efforts to bring this matter to light. However, the matter seems to be an eye-opener for everybody. I would like to share a similar incident. Some recruitment agencies in Delhi have advertised direct recruitment from your company, although the matter was discovered, and the agency was exposed for false claims. Some youths were deceived into believing they would be selected in the final round of Google interview rounds and were asked to pay certain amounts.
Furthermore, a serious issue arose in mid-2004, where a recruitment agency approached our cab drivers and Grade 4 staff to gather information on the company's procedures and policies. This matter was also discovered, and the individuals involved were terminated, with a police case filed against them.
I would like to emphasize the importance of being cautious and conducting thorough pre-interview processes to understand the company's background clearly. Companies sometimes use tactics to extract information from you for their benefit.
You can report this incident to ASSCOM and CII.
From India, Nagpur
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We appreciate your efforts to bring this matter to light. However, the matter seems to be an eye-opener for everybody. I would like to share a similar incident. Some recruitment agencies in Delhi have advertised direct recruitment from your company, although the matter was discovered, and the agency was exposed for false claims. Some youths were deceived into believing they would be selected in the final round of Google interview rounds and were asked to pay certain amounts.
Furthermore, a serious issue arose in mid-2004, where a recruitment agency approached our cab drivers and Grade 4 staff to gather information on the company's procedures and policies. This matter was also discovered, and the individuals involved were terminated, with a police case filed against them.
I would like to emphasize the importance of being cautious and conducting thorough pre-interview processes to understand the company's background clearly. Companies sometimes use tactics to extract information from you for their benefit.
You can report this incident to ASSCOM and CII.
From India, Nagpur
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Thanks, Mohan, Snehajassuja, pranaykapur, and sgurwe03.
Thanks for your valuable suggestions.
For Snehajassuja: During the final round (interview with the CEO), he asked very tricky questions. After that, he inquired about my team size and their responsibilities. I thought he wanted to understand my exact job role. That's why I explained what my team's responsibilities are. I didn't realize he was focusing on them specifically. It seems they targeted one person and used that information to select another.
Regards,
Pankaj Chandan
From India, New delhi
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Thanks for your valuable suggestions.
For Snehajassuja: During the final round (interview with the CEO), he asked very tricky questions. After that, he inquired about my team size and their responsibilities. I thought he wanted to understand my exact job role. That's why I explained what my team's responsibilities are. I didn't realize he was focusing on them specifically. It seems they targeted one person and used that information to select another.
Regards,
Pankaj Chandan
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Dear Mr. Pankaj,
I'm sorry to bother you again, but what I think is that if any further inquiry occurs from your company, you too will be at risk for disclosing the company's information. Please be careful in future assignments.
Thank you.
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I'm sorry to bother you again, but what I think is that if any further inquiry occurs from your company, you too will be at risk for disclosing the company's information. Please be careful in future assignments.
Thank you.
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My considered comments are:
1. When an interviewing agency/company seeks proprietary/confidential details, they are being unprofessional. Albeit inappropriate, such actions should not be obliged.
2. Any smart move of this type can only be a short-term objective and unlikely to sustain.
3. Do headhunters not have principles?
4. [For Pankaj Only] Carry this as an experience to learn from. It is very clear that the experience was unpalatable and can be nauseating, particularly to one unsuspecting. Make sure you do not do such an injustice to anyone and use this experience at later stages to bring good points home to the others.
Pradeep
From India, Lucknow
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1. When an interviewing agency/company seeks proprietary/confidential details, they are being unprofessional. Albeit inappropriate, such actions should not be obliged.
2. Any smart move of this type can only be a short-term objective and unlikely to sustain.
3. Do headhunters not have principles?
4. [For Pankaj Only] Carry this as an experience to learn from. It is very clear that the experience was unpalatable and can be nauseating, particularly to one unsuspecting. Make sure you do not do such an injustice to anyone and use this experience at later stages to bring good points home to the others.
Pradeep
From India, Lucknow
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Hi Pankaj,
This is all a part of business, where one wins and others lose. But don't dampen yourself. Nowadays, these types of problems are common.
You have to judge for yourself where you are making mistakes. Take this as a lesson and try to improve yourself, being cautious for next time.
Thanks for this topic which taught us a lesson.
Best Regards,
Nagesh
From India, Hyderabad
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This is all a part of business, where one wins and others lose. But don't dampen yourself. Nowadays, these types of problems are common.
You have to judge for yourself where you are making mistakes. Take this as a lesson and try to improve yourself, being cautious for next time.
Thanks for this topic which taught us a lesson.
Best Regards,
Nagesh
From India, Hyderabad
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Nothin here is cheap. the whole corporate world work like this. They might not have like you fit for the position but thought of extracting information in that case. Maybe even you were approached because someone has reffered you.
do not be too bothered. This happens all the time.
Shalini
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do not be too bothered. This happens all the time.
Shalini
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Hey Pankaj, It happens but not to this extent. They faked a position and interviewed you to get all the other contacts to fill open vacancies they had. thats y u should be very cautious sometimes.
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Hi guys, it is a good HR case. To excel, our organization's HR department may play politics and headhunting, but hurting one employee definitely damages our reputation. I think it helps us to take care while in interviews.
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Thanks Kaur!! Well, i just here to share my experience not for spoiling that company.. Hope you understand Kaur - - don’t mind Regards Pankaj Chandan
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Sometimes they even try to get your clients' contact details so that they can form a partnership with them. You should not disclose this information to them; just state that it is confidential. You are not supposed to reveal the company's information. Anyway, it's a lesson for all of us. I can visualize how it would have happened. Headhunters have various methods to obtain references. Was it a mid-sized company or a large one?
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Dear Mr. Pankaj,
Any employee in the current role status can apply for jobs other than their own. Disclosing the current company's procedures and policies, along with data concerning their current employer, may attract a departmental inquiry, as the related points are mentioned in the appointment letter itself.
My purpose here is not to embarrass or bother you, but to make you aware of the facts that could be relevant. As you mentioned that you disclosed certain information to headhunters, those actions could prompt your company to take legal action against you.
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Any employee in the current role status can apply for jobs other than their own. Disclosing the current company's procedures and policies, along with data concerning their current employer, may attract a departmental inquiry, as the related points are mentioned in the appointment letter itself.
My purpose here is not to embarrass or bother you, but to make you aware of the facts that could be relevant. As you mentioned that you disclosed certain information to headhunters, those actions could prompt your company to take legal action against you.
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Dear Pankaj Shaab,
Take a chill pill and enjoy Ghalib Shaab's Shayari:
Zaalim tha wo aur zulm ki aadat bhi bahut thi,
majboor the hum us se mohabbat bhi bahut thi.
Us but ke sitam sah ke dikha hi diya humne,
go apni tabiyat mein bagawat bhi bahut thi.
Vaakif hi na tha ramz-e-mohabbat se wo varna,
dil ke liye thori si inayat bhi bahut thi.
Yun hi nahi mashhoor-e-zamana mera qaatil,
us shakhs ko is fan mein maharat bhi bahut thi.
From India, Nagpur
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Take a chill pill and enjoy Ghalib Shaab's Shayari:
Zaalim tha wo aur zulm ki aadat bhi bahut thi,
majboor the hum us se mohabbat bhi bahut thi.
Us but ke sitam sah ke dikha hi diya humne,
go apni tabiyat mein bagawat bhi bahut thi.
Vaakif hi na tha ramz-e-mohabbat se wo varna,
dil ke liye thori si inayat bhi bahut thi.
Yun hi nahi mashhoor-e-zamana mera qaatil,
us shakhs ko is fan mein maharat bhi bahut thi.
From India, Nagpur
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Hi,
Many corporations like to use the term "FOCUSED LATERAL HIRING." It is perfectly done, and everyone is involved. You can say it is unethical, but in this market of talent shortage, people resort to such techniques. I think one must be very careful during interviews because you never know when you are being taken for a ride. We must keep some cards close to our chest and not be overly enthused for the job, especially if we appear for an interview in an organization from the same industry where we are employed now.
It is safer not to give your peers' numbers and also not disclose all info of your current organization; it shows that you are ethical too. We do stand the risk of losing the offer, but then there is always something better waiting.
Nilankur
From India, Calcutta
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Many corporations like to use the term "FOCUSED LATERAL HIRING." It is perfectly done, and everyone is involved. You can say it is unethical, but in this market of talent shortage, people resort to such techniques. I think one must be very careful during interviews because you never know when you are being taken for a ride. We must keep some cards close to our chest and not be overly enthused for the job, especially if we appear for an interview in an organization from the same industry where we are employed now.
It is safer not to give your peers' numbers and also not disclose all info of your current organization; it shows that you are ethical too. We do stand the risk of losing the offer, but then there is always something better waiting.
Nilankur
From India, Calcutta
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Dear Pankaj,
I understand your reservation to share the name of the company. But it is a scope to teach a lesson to the company too. It is not the same world where only interviewees are to suffer; let the company defend its unethical practices. For all these malpractices, we don't need our best brains from IIM, IITs in the industry after heavy use of public money. After all, everything is fair in love and war.
Let the CEOs taste the chin-music.
And never lose heart.
From India, Calcutta
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I understand your reservation to share the name of the company. But it is a scope to teach a lesson to the company too. It is not the same world where only interviewees are to suffer; let the company defend its unethical practices. For all these malpractices, we don't need our best brains from IIM, IITs in the industry after heavy use of public money. After all, everything is fair in love and war.
Let the CEOs taste the chin-music.
And never lose heart.
From India, Calcutta
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Hi,
You need not feel so bad on this issue as I'm sure you wouldn't have given the no's of all those people who joined the company...may be the HR executive fm your company who joined them would have done the job. Any way as someone mentioned everything is fair..there remains no lines drawn as far as politics is concerned.Moreover if you get a better offer will you not switch job?If a company has sound people's management system in place,if a company considers the welfare of its human resource of paramount importance then a higher pay packet doesn't often lure them away from the company.Either you have such systems in place or be prepared to face such problems of 'brain drain'.
The moral is to be aware of your boundaries while attending interviews.Some companies ask for classified info during interviews..if you refuse to divulge such info upfront in a dignified manner,they may actually admire your integrity and offer you a better position. But if you tell them all just to impress them...you will definitely be given a bye..coz they dont want you to do the same with them..hope you are getting my point.
Regards.
suma
From India, Bangalore
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You need not feel so bad on this issue as I'm sure you wouldn't have given the no's of all those people who joined the company...may be the HR executive fm your company who joined them would have done the job. Any way as someone mentioned everything is fair..there remains no lines drawn as far as politics is concerned.Moreover if you get a better offer will you not switch job?If a company has sound people's management system in place,if a company considers the welfare of its human resource of paramount importance then a higher pay packet doesn't often lure them away from the company.Either you have such systems in place or be prepared to face such problems of 'brain drain'.
The moral is to be aware of your boundaries while attending interviews.Some companies ask for classified info during interviews..if you refuse to divulge such info upfront in a dignified manner,they may actually admire your integrity and offer you a better position. But if you tell them all just to impress them...you will definitely be given a bye..coz they dont want you to do the same with them..hope you are getting my point.
Regards.
suma
From India, Bangalore
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Dear all,
Great case study. The points that stand out are:
1. We need to draw boundaries for our behaviors. Our personal interest is not paramount.
2. Whatever the levels of the people, how they behave may not be predictable.
3. We have a responsibility towards the organizations that we work for.
4. The ground realities are different and, like technology, keep upgrading. They may not really agree with our thought process.
5. 12th Commandment - "Keep up with ground realities, they change with time."
6. Whatever the problem/situation that we confront, stick to the basics.
7. The discussion here reveals how we think differently. It is nevertheless a paradox that we have different views on what is right/truthful.
Never mind the terminologies we give to recruitment patterns like headhunting, lateral recruitment, talent, and any other. It is a matter to ponder whether the sense understood by most on the term 'ethical' has changed. To most in society, the difference between right and wrong is clear.
Pradeep
From India, Lucknow
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Great case study. The points that stand out are:
1. We need to draw boundaries for our behaviors. Our personal interest is not paramount.
2. Whatever the levels of the people, how they behave may not be predictable.
3. We have a responsibility towards the organizations that we work for.
4. The ground realities are different and, like technology, keep upgrading. They may not really agree with our thought process.
5. 12th Commandment - "Keep up with ground realities, they change with time."
6. Whatever the problem/situation that we confront, stick to the basics.
7. The discussion here reveals how we think differently. It is nevertheless a paradox that we have different views on what is right/truthful.
Never mind the terminologies we give to recruitment patterns like headhunting, lateral recruitment, talent, and any other. It is a matter to ponder whether the sense understood by most on the term 'ethical' has changed. To most in society, the difference between right and wrong is clear.
Pradeep
From India, Lucknow
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Dear Pankaj,
What happened to you was very unjust. Whenever you go for an interview, please give the contact number of your immediate supervisor only and ask them to do a reference check in front of you. If they ask for other contact numbers (e.g., of your CEO, VP, or any other operations personnel), tell them that you will need a little time and you need to speak to them before giving their references. After you are on-board the new company, please request them for two or three more days, and do not divulge any details until you have the appointment letter in your hand. At least you are legally empowered to take action in case of any cheating because you have the appointment letter with you. Please be careful in the future, and all the best for your future.
Regards,
Debashish
From India, Delhi
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What happened to you was very unjust. Whenever you go for an interview, please give the contact number of your immediate supervisor only and ask them to do a reference check in front of you. If they ask for other contact numbers (e.g., of your CEO, VP, or any other operations personnel), tell them that you will need a little time and you need to speak to them before giving their references. After you are on-board the new company, please request them for two or three more days, and do not divulge any details until you have the appointment letter in your hand. At least you are legally empowered to take action in case of any cheating because you have the appointment letter with you. Please be careful in the future, and all the best for your future.
Regards,
Debashish
From India, Delhi
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Hi Pankaj, It was really suprising to know for me too , head hunting can be done in this way also, but its cheap way to do headhunting. Regards, Sharmila
From India, Pune
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From India, Pune
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Dear young and budding HR friends,
A substantial number of you are from the younger age groups, eager to embark on your careers with all the enthusiasm.
These are also the formative years for this section of professionals. My experience indicates that the experiences we gain during this period are etched in our minds and have a substantial effect on our molding and future lives. It is also my considered opinion that we learn a lot from the examples set by our superiors.
Therefore, it is essential for some of us elders to set good examples. It is imperative that we, as mature and discerning professionals, have the ability to seek and imbibe what is right and the strength to shun what is wrong and undesirable. Elder professionals have a responsibility not only to the young and budding professionals but also to society.
What was done to Pankaj by the concerned CEO was a bad example and is best forgotten as a bad joke.
Let us then commit ourselves to being good examples to our young colleagues. Pankaj has already made this commitment in his introductory post. So should we.
Pradeep
From India, Lucknow
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A substantial number of you are from the younger age groups, eager to embark on your careers with all the enthusiasm.
These are also the formative years for this section of professionals. My experience indicates that the experiences we gain during this period are etched in our minds and have a substantial effect on our molding and future lives. It is also my considered opinion that we learn a lot from the examples set by our superiors.
Therefore, it is essential for some of us elders to set good examples. It is imperative that we, as mature and discerning professionals, have the ability to seek and imbibe what is right and the strength to shun what is wrong and undesirable. Elder professionals have a responsibility not only to the young and budding professionals but also to society.
What was done to Pankaj by the concerned CEO was a bad example and is best forgotten as a bad joke.
Let us then commit ourselves to being good examples to our young colleagues. Pankaj has already made this commitment in his introductory post. So should we.
Pradeep
From India, Lucknow
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Dear Chandan,
This is nothing but hardcore body shopping. It is really bad but is the norm, especially with telecom concerns, who are your company's competitors. My suggestion would be if you are looking for a change, do not do it within the same zone (that is not the same location). Choose companies that are small and not compared to be your current company's competitors. This will give you a better opportunity to succeed in your job and also will not have the body shopping experience that you just had.
Hope you understand what I said.
Thanks and regards,
Balraj R.D.
From India, Madras
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This is nothing but hardcore body shopping. It is really bad but is the norm, especially with telecom concerns, who are your company's competitors. My suggestion would be if you are looking for a change, do not do it within the same zone (that is not the same location). Choose companies that are small and not compared to be your current company's competitors. This will give you a better opportunity to succeed in your job and also will not have the body shopping experience that you just had.
Hope you understand what I said.
Thanks and regards,
Balraj R.D.
From India, Madras
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