Dear Seniors,
Greetings to all. I have a problem with applying the changes. With the support of the management, we formulate policies, norms, etc. There are a few employees who have been working in the company for the last 15 years. They are resisting coming to the office on time and leaving on time as well. They have mentioned that they are not comfortable with the timings. The working hours for females are from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM, and for males, it is from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM. Lunchtime is from 2:00 PM to 2:30 PM with a 15-minute tea break twice a day.
They are considering resigning because they believe they are handling a substantial workload for the company that no one else can manage presently. Kindly suggest to me what to do?
Thank you.
From India, Aligarh
Greetings to all. I have a problem with applying the changes. With the support of the management, we formulate policies, norms, etc. There are a few employees who have been working in the company for the last 15 years. They are resisting coming to the office on time and leaving on time as well. They have mentioned that they are not comfortable with the timings. The working hours for females are from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM, and for males, it is from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM. Lunchtime is from 2:00 PM to 2:30 PM with a 15-minute tea break twice a day.
They are considering resigning because they believe they are handling a substantial workload for the company that no one else can manage presently. Kindly suggest to me what to do?
Thank you.
From India, Aligarh
Dear Krishan,
From what you narrated, it appears they are of value to your company. Retaining talent is now becoming a challenge for companies. You need to be patient with them and try to solve the problem through mutual discussion. First, have a one-to-one discussion with them and ascertain why they are not sticking to punctuality. There may be many reasons, and the reasons may vary from individual to individual. Some may have domestic problems, some have issues with immediate reporting bosses and may not feel motivated, while others may have compensation dissatisfaction. For others, it may be an inconvenient location or simply a habit. After ascertaining the reasons, you may need to explore solutions, some of which are stated below for your guidance.
1) Change their working hours.
2) Stagger their working hours.
3) Transfer an employee to a place convenient to them.
4) Try for an increase in their salaries or explore the possibility of a reward scheme for them.
5) Conduct a one-day reorientation workshop with the help of a behavioral specialist to correct behavior in persistent cases.
6) If everything fails, invoke the disciplinary process in cases of adamant and willful insubordination.
Best regards,
B. Saikumar
HR & Labor Law Consultant
Chipinbiz Consultancy Pvt. Ltd
Mumbai
Mob: 09930532927
From India, Mumbai
From what you narrated, it appears they are of value to your company. Retaining talent is now becoming a challenge for companies. You need to be patient with them and try to solve the problem through mutual discussion. First, have a one-to-one discussion with them and ascertain why they are not sticking to punctuality. There may be many reasons, and the reasons may vary from individual to individual. Some may have domestic problems, some have issues with immediate reporting bosses and may not feel motivated, while others may have compensation dissatisfaction. For others, it may be an inconvenient location or simply a habit. After ascertaining the reasons, you may need to explore solutions, some of which are stated below for your guidance.
1) Change their working hours.
2) Stagger their working hours.
3) Transfer an employee to a place convenient to them.
4) Try for an increase in their salaries or explore the possibility of a reward scheme for them.
5) Conduct a one-day reorientation workshop with the help of a behavioral specialist to correct behavior in persistent cases.
6) If everything fails, invoke the disciplinary process in cases of adamant and willful insubordination.
Best regards,
B. Saikumar
HR & Labor Law Consultant
Chipinbiz Consultancy Pvt. Ltd
Mumbai
Mob: 09930532927
From India, Mumbai
Dear Krishan,
Thank you for the query. Saikumar has given you a sound reply. Let me ask a few questions: How long have you been with the company? You say that "we formulate...". Who are we? Were the employees consulted before formulating policies about the working hours? What were the working practices before? When you say they are doing lots of work, what is their total contribution as a percentage of the company's income, and are their customers satisfied?
Have a nice day.
Simhan
Leaning and Teaching Fellow (Retd)
The University of Bolton, UK
Chief Advisor, Promentor-consulting
[About Us](http://www.promentor-consulting.com/about-us.html)
From United Kingdom
Thank you for the query. Saikumar has given you a sound reply. Let me ask a few questions: How long have you been with the company? You say that "we formulate...". Who are we? Were the employees consulted before formulating policies about the working hours? What were the working practices before? When you say they are doing lots of work, what is their total contribution as a percentage of the company's income, and are their customers satisfied?
Have a nice day.
Simhan
Leaning and Teaching Fellow (Retd)
The University of Bolton, UK
Chief Advisor, Promentor-consulting
[About Us](http://www.promentor-consulting.com/about-us.html)
From United Kingdom
Good Suggestion by Mr Simhan and Mr. Saikumar…
Kishan as you said that you have formulated the policies with full support of your management or that your Management is ready to apply these norms; I don't think you need to think over this issue more or before applying these changes in your organization you need to be granted by any employee whether he/she is old or new.
One must not question on the efficiency of Management or People who comes under Management. Making/ Formulating the policies for the Organization, is comes under the Management official work. And if these employees are not agreeing on these changes, they are doing the same and directly in oppose to Management.
If im not wrong, you have made the changes in your office timing as 9.00am to 5.00pm/6.00pm from your old timing 10.00am to 6.00pm/7.00pm. Change in Morning time, right? And I hope you are not forcing unconditional timing to them or disobeying the rules laid down in the Section of Employee/Worker timing under the Act because it seems you forget to mentioned the change that you have made here in Office Timing.
I understand that these employees are working for your organization since a long time and they certainly have contributed much for your company but they must not forget that they all are just employees not a part of Management even they must respect and accept the decision of Management because they knows their management better being very old employees.
I agree with Mr. Simhan that one must take care of employee benefits while making policies but I don't think that Management would take any step in this regard before considering effect/impact of these changes to their employees /Organization and employee benefits. Certainly these things would have considered and discussed with all heads of the departments and direct concerned before applying these changes.
Not every single employee can be consulted before making these changes whether she/he is an old or new employee.
Second, Management is not sitting there for few employees but for all and they have their own style and have to run accordingly. If Management has granted you to implement these changes or formulate the policies, you can go ahead and inform all employees by “Circular”
Third, I have never seen in my career that an employee has left the job just because he/she was not comfortable with office timing if they have never forced to work unconditionally.
From India, Gurgaon
Kishan as you said that you have formulated the policies with full support of your management or that your Management is ready to apply these norms; I don't think you need to think over this issue more or before applying these changes in your organization you need to be granted by any employee whether he/she is old or new.
One must not question on the efficiency of Management or People who comes under Management. Making/ Formulating the policies for the Organization, is comes under the Management official work. And if these employees are not agreeing on these changes, they are doing the same and directly in oppose to Management.
If im not wrong, you have made the changes in your office timing as 9.00am to 5.00pm/6.00pm from your old timing 10.00am to 6.00pm/7.00pm. Change in Morning time, right? And I hope you are not forcing unconditional timing to them or disobeying the rules laid down in the Section of Employee/Worker timing under the Act because it seems you forget to mentioned the change that you have made here in Office Timing.
I understand that these employees are working for your organization since a long time and they certainly have contributed much for your company but they must not forget that they all are just employees not a part of Management even they must respect and accept the decision of Management because they knows their management better being very old employees.
I agree with Mr. Simhan that one must take care of employee benefits while making policies but I don't think that Management would take any step in this regard before considering effect/impact of these changes to their employees /Organization and employee benefits. Certainly these things would have considered and discussed with all heads of the departments and direct concerned before applying these changes.
Not every single employee can be consulted before making these changes whether she/he is an old or new employee.
Second, Management is not sitting there for few employees but for all and they have their own style and have to run accordingly. If Management has granted you to implement these changes or formulate the policies, you can go ahead and inform all employees by “Circular”
Third, I have never seen in my career that an employee has left the job just because he/she was not comfortable with office timing if they have never forced to work unconditionally.
From India, Gurgaon
One thing that I learned as a student attending a Management Skills course was never to assume; always ask for clarifications. That's why I ask questions when enough information is not given and refrain from giving views.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
Simhan
From United Kingdom
I agree, Sir, but I have given the same information that I have experienced in my career. I have also gone through the same process and been responsible for formulating policies in the past. Therefore, I understand this situation better and can empathize with what he is currently going through.
From India, Gurgaon
From India, Gurgaon
Dear all,
Fantastic views and knowledge shared by Sai, Simhan, and Arora with their real-time experience being placed behind the words. I would like to share my views on the same.
Dealing with veteran employees is a very common problem that we all face in companies today. This is one of the major challenges acknowledged by the industry.
I would give you a very simple suggestion: "If you have to catch the big fish, sometimes it is best to let go of the small fish." Understand the concept, and you will win many battles in the future.
Regards,
Chaitanya
From India, Bangalore
Fantastic views and knowledge shared by Sai, Simhan, and Arora with their real-time experience being placed behind the words. I would like to share my views on the same.
Dealing with veteran employees is a very common problem that we all face in companies today. This is one of the major challenges acknowledged by the industry.
I would give you a very simple suggestion: "If you have to catch the big fish, sometimes it is best to let go of the small fish." Understand the concept, and you will win many battles in the future.
Regards,
Chaitanya
From India, Bangalore
Dear Simhan,
Thank you to all for your valuable suggestions.
Here are your answers:
How long have you been with the company? I joined this company 3 months ago. Before me, there was no HR department.
You say that "..we formulate ....". Who are "we"? (HR department and Owner of the company)
Were the employees consulted before formulating policies about the working hours? Since the beginning of the company, working hours were 10 to 6 for females and 7 for males. Due to a new project and business expansion, the owner was unable to monitor all employees' timings. For safety reasons in winter, female employees were allowed to leave at 5:30 in the evening, but only during winter. Therefore, we are not increasing working hours; they remain the same as before. Some old employees are taking advantage of this change.
What were the working practices before?
When you mention that they are doing a lot of work, what is their total contribution as a percentage of the company's income, and are the customers satisfied?
The individuals resisting the change are not involved in dealing with the customers. They are part of the operations and admin departments.
Please review the corrected text for any further adjustments.
From India, Aligarh
Thank you to all for your valuable suggestions.
Here are your answers:
How long have you been with the company? I joined this company 3 months ago. Before me, there was no HR department.
You say that "..we formulate ....". Who are "we"? (HR department and Owner of the company)
Were the employees consulted before formulating policies about the working hours? Since the beginning of the company, working hours were 10 to 6 for females and 7 for males. Due to a new project and business expansion, the owner was unable to monitor all employees' timings. For safety reasons in winter, female employees were allowed to leave at 5:30 in the evening, but only during winter. Therefore, we are not increasing working hours; they remain the same as before. Some old employees are taking advantage of this change.
What were the working practices before?
When you mention that they are doing a lot of work, what is their total contribution as a percentage of the company's income, and are the customers satisfied?
The individuals resisting the change are not involved in dealing with the customers. They are part of the operations and admin departments.
Please review the corrected text for any further adjustments.
From India, Aligarh
I am rather surprised to note that there are inequalities between the times expected of male and female workers. Even if people are not dealing directly with external customers, what is their total contribution to the organization's operation. If you can replace them, then you can follow whatever the law permits if they do not conform. Put yourself in their position and see. If people have been allowed to go scot-free, by custom and practice, they have established new patterns of working. The question is, are they producing what is expected of them per day? I remember a case when we all had to work a 3.5-day week when there was a power shortage due to miners' strike. Organizations found that the productivity increased. So, in an FMCG industry, the company reduced the working hours without any reduction in the output.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
Have a nice day.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
Management is so much flexible with employees to make them comfortable in their personal lives because management knows that employees are handling many responsibilities. Now, management wants to reduce their workload and make them more comfortable in their work environment. However, these employees now have a negative attitude towards their work. They are meeting the work requirements but are not following the management's rules.
From India, Aligarh
From India, Aligarh
Dear Krishan,
Change is painful, and resistance is obvious. The change process needs to be administered very carefully. One way to tackle such situations is to take them for a constructive discussion. Give them the problem (for which you have changed timings) and ask them for probable solutions. Maybe they will be able to provide some alternate solutions, and the most suitable and acceptable one can be selected. This new solution will be acceptable to them, and they will abide by it as the decision is made by them. There will be ownership from their side. This is a corrective action. I have used this method a couple of times, and it has given me favorable results.
In the long run, try to have multis killing and an alternative for every person so that nobody is in a position to blackmail the organization.
Regards,
Lokender
From India, Gurgaon
Change is painful, and resistance is obvious. The change process needs to be administered very carefully. One way to tackle such situations is to take them for a constructive discussion. Give them the problem (for which you have changed timings) and ask them for probable solutions. Maybe they will be able to provide some alternate solutions, and the most suitable and acceptable one can be selected. This new solution will be acceptable to them, and they will abide by it as the decision is made by them. There will be ownership from their side. This is a corrective action. I have used this method a couple of times, and it has given me favorable results.
In the long run, try to have multis killing and an alternative for every person so that nobody is in a position to blackmail the organization.
Regards,
Lokender
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Krishnan,
You have given yourself a problem with the solution in your last message. As business increases, does your management intend to recruit more people? If so, your problem is solved. I would suggest you start doing the following in case the management has plans to recruit:
- Understand the critical roles played by each of the veteran employees.
- Educate your boss to have backup plans and maybe suggest slowly passing on certain roles to new employees.
- This would, in fact, cut down the workload on the team, ensure operations run more efficiently, and reduce dependency.
I hope you understand it by now. Given the situation where you are only 3 months old in this role and your boss is willing to bring in more changes, it should work wonders.
From India, Bangalore
You have given yourself a problem with the solution in your last message. As business increases, does your management intend to recruit more people? If so, your problem is solved. I would suggest you start doing the following in case the management has plans to recruit:
- Understand the critical roles played by each of the veteran employees.
- Educate your boss to have backup plans and maybe suggest slowly passing on certain roles to new employees.
- This would, in fact, cut down the workload on the team, ensure operations run more efficiently, and reduce dependency.
I hope you understand it by now. Given the situation where you are only 3 months old in this role and your boss is willing to bring in more changes, it should work wonders.
From India, Bangalore
Do you have a system to record the employees' in and out timings (say manual or electronic)? If you do not have one at present, impress upon the CEO the need for such an arrangement in view of the current issue. Installing such a system will send a strong signal to habitual latecomers.
If you already have such a system, please collect data for a month or so and present the data to the CEO. Let him address the employees to enforce discipline, especially since you are currently a junior in the organization.
I have observed that taking strong action against an individual for gross misconduct sends a clear message to others. While such action may temporarily disrupt work, it will lead to long-term improvement of the situation.
Sambasi
From India, Madras
If you already have such a system, please collect data for a month or so and present the data to the CEO. Let him address the employees to enforce discipline, especially since you are currently a junior in the organization.
I have observed that taking strong action against an individual for gross misconduct sends a clear message to others. While such action may temporarily disrupt work, it will lead to long-term improvement of the situation.
Sambasi
From India, Madras
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