Hi Team, A small organization with about 18 permanent employees and around 20 contract employees. One person's pay is approximately 10 LPA, but there are no PF and gratuity components included as part of the pay. There is a variable component and only two deductions - PT and TDS. The company states that PF is not applicable to them.
Is it possible for there to be no PF and gratuity component in the above scenario? Please help resolve my query.
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Is it possible for there to be no PF and gratuity component in the above scenario? Please help resolve my query.
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Yes PF is not applicable to him but if he has worked for continuous 05 years in job then gratuity is compulsory. Goutam
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PF Applicability for Companies with 38 Employees
How is PF not applicable when the company is employing 38 persons? Provided your establishment is one covered under Schedule I or covered by government notification.
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B. Saikumar
HR & Labour Law Advisor
Mumbai
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1931How is PF not applicable when the company is employing 38 persons? Provided your establishment is one covered under Schedule I or covered by government notification.
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B. Saikumar
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Mumbai
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Understanding Coverage Under Schedule I or Government Notification
How can one determine whether an establishment is covered under Schedule I or by a government notification? The company claims that they have not employed more than 20 employees on its permanent payroll, and therefore, PF is not applicable. Additionally, it is not a Pvt Ltd company.
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How can one determine whether an establishment is covered under Schedule I or by a government notification? The company claims that they have not employed more than 20 employees on its permanent payroll, and therefore, PF is not applicable. Additionally, it is not a Pvt Ltd company.
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As you have mentioned that your company is a small organization and the total number of permanent employees is only 18, hence your organization may not be included in the PF scheme. Kindly confirm with the HR team/Admin Department whether the company is indeed included in the PF scheme.
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Pranab Chakraborty
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Pranab Chakraborty
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Can management bluff about anything? Can you accept this? May I know your designation? Are there direct employees or contract laborers? If there are 20 employees, you must cover them under the act. There are 18 permanent and 20 contract workers, making the total 38. Therefore, you must cover them.
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V. Subbarao
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V. Subbarao
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The Central Government, through a notification in 2006, has extended the application of the P.F Act to IT companies. As your company has employed 38 persons, including contract labor, it needs to be covered under the P.F Act. I trust you are sufficiently clarified now.
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B. Saikumar
Mumbai
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Mumbai
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As you have only 18 employees on your payroll, your organization can't be registered under the PF as the members must be 20. To be exempt from this requirement, your organization has not recruited any permanent employees. Instead, you have hired some contract workers through a contractor who will pay them using his own code if he is registered under the PF.
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Kumar
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Kumar
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I agree with Viju Kumar. However, as a Principal employer, Katz's company is responsible for the PF deduction of contract employees as well. Though they would not deduct it directly, it needs to be checked and audited periodically, and proofs of deposit (challans) need to be asked from the contract vendor for the PF, ESI, etc. Mr. Sasikumar, please correct me if I am wrong. I would be grateful to you.
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Devendra Jawaji
From India, Gurgaon
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Devendra Jawaji
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Thank you all for clarifying my query. I do not have any issues regarding whether PF is deducted or not, as I am receiving a lump sum salary. I was simply curious about the absence of PF deductions. I received the same response from the management as mentioned by Viju Kumar. Later, through my other contacts, I learned that there are numerous small companies where PF deductions are not made, and the employees are paid well. Therefore, even if there is no PF deduction, it is considered normal.
I also realized that they do not verify all the details with the contract vendors, as it is the vendor's responsibility to ensure everything is correct. This is not a concern for the small company, as they lack the enthusiasm and resources for it. With a limited number of employees, there is more work and full utilization of their skills for which they were hired. Most of the admin/finance/facilities work is outsourced.
Once again, thank you all for sharing your valuable insights.
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I also realized that they do not verify all the details with the contract vendors, as it is the vendor's responsibility to ensure everything is correct. This is not a concern for the small company, as they lack the enthusiasm and resources for it. With a limited number of employees, there is more work and full utilization of their skills for which they were hired. Most of the admin/finance/facilities work is outsourced.
Once again, thank you all for sharing your valuable insights.
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From India, Bangalore
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Understanding the P.F Act and Employer Responsibilities
The P.F Act is a social welfare legislation, and you should not be under the false notion that you are not concerned about P.F deductions of contract labor just because you are receiving a wholesome salary. No one can hold an arbitrary view opposed to the law, especially regarding an Act like the P.F Act, which was enacted to secure the social welfare of employees. It is crucial to ensure that employees are not deprived of their legitimate rights to benefits guaranteed by law.
You need to understand the scope of the definition of 'employee' under Section 2(f) of the P.F Act to have a proper understanding of the coverage of employees. Do not be under the false impression that it is solely the contractor's responsibility to pay the contribution. While it is the contractor's responsibility to pay the contribution, Para (30) of the P.F Scheme 1952 makes it abundantly clear that it is the responsibility of the Principal Employer, in the first instance, to pay the contributions of the employees, including contract labor, to P.F.
Further, it is the responsibility of the Principal Employer under Sec. 21 of the Contract Labor Act 1970 to ensure that the contractor pays wages to the contract labor properly. If the contractor fails to pay the wages, it is the responsibility of the Principal Employer to pay the wages to contract labor.
The P.F authorities have the right to determine disputes regarding coverage and the quantum of P.F dues and have enforcement powers to recover the dues, even by way of attachment of the employer's properties. Moreover, a defaulting employer renders themselves liable for penalties—both pecuniary and penal—under the P.F Act. The Act makes no distinction between a small organization and a big organization when it deals with violations. Therefore, it is important to be serious, thoroughly review the P.F Act, and make a prudent decision.
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B. Saikumar
HR & Labour Law Advisor
Mumbai.
From India, Mumbai
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The P.F Act is a social welfare legislation, and you should not be under the false notion that you are not concerned about P.F deductions of contract labor just because you are receiving a wholesome salary. No one can hold an arbitrary view opposed to the law, especially regarding an Act like the P.F Act, which was enacted to secure the social welfare of employees. It is crucial to ensure that employees are not deprived of their legitimate rights to benefits guaranteed by law.
You need to understand the scope of the definition of 'employee' under Section 2(f) of the P.F Act to have a proper understanding of the coverage of employees. Do not be under the false impression that it is solely the contractor's responsibility to pay the contribution. While it is the contractor's responsibility to pay the contribution, Para (30) of the P.F Scheme 1952 makes it abundantly clear that it is the responsibility of the Principal Employer, in the first instance, to pay the contributions of the employees, including contract labor, to P.F.
Further, it is the responsibility of the Principal Employer under Sec. 21 of the Contract Labor Act 1970 to ensure that the contractor pays wages to the contract labor properly. If the contractor fails to pay the wages, it is the responsibility of the Principal Employer to pay the wages to contract labor.
The P.F authorities have the right to determine disputes regarding coverage and the quantum of P.F dues and have enforcement powers to recover the dues, even by way of attachment of the employer's properties. Moreover, a defaulting employer renders themselves liable for penalties—both pecuniary and penal—under the P.F Act. The Act makes no distinction between a small organization and a big organization when it deals with violations. Therefore, it is important to be serious, thoroughly review the P.F Act, and make a prudent decision.
Regards,
B. Saikumar
HR & Labour Law Advisor
Mumbai.
From India, Mumbai
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