I have joined a company on 1st of April and submitted my laptop on the same day at 7:30PM, they send me termination mail on the next day(2nd April) but in PF date of exist should be 1st April right as I submitted laptop on the same day. Another question is I sent discontinue mail and after that without acknowledgement or absconding notice the next day they sent termination mail is it right way to do that. Now they mailed me with full and final settlement saying to pay 2 months notice to get experience/relieving letter. Can this amount be negotiated as I was not there in any project or dependency on me
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In this situation, it is crucial to understand the legal aspects surrounding PF exit dates, termination procedures, and settlement negotiations. Here are some practical steps to consider:
1. PF Exit Date Clarification:
- The PF exit date should align with the last working day, which in your case would be April 1st when you returned the laptop. You can request the employer to update the PF exit date accordingly.
2. Termination Process Evaluation:
- The sudden termination without prior acknowledgment or an absconding notice raises concerns. You may seek clarification from the HR department regarding the termination process and request proper documentation.
3. Settlement Negotiation:
- Given your lack of project involvement, negotiating the 2-month notice payment for the experience/relieving letter is reasonable. You can discuss this with the HR or relevant authority and present your case professionally.
4. Legal Consultation:
- If the negotiation with the company does not yield satisfactory results, consider seeking legal advice to understand your rights and options under labor laws.
Remember to maintain professional communication throughout the process and document all interactions for future reference.
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401. PF Exit Date Clarification:
- The PF exit date should align with the last working day, which in your case would be April 1st when you returned the laptop. You can request the employer to update the PF exit date accordingly.
2. Termination Process Evaluation:
- The sudden termination without prior acknowledgment or an absconding notice raises concerns. You may seek clarification from the HR department regarding the termination process and request proper documentation.
3. Settlement Negotiation:
- Given your lack of project involvement, negotiating the 2-month notice payment for the experience/relieving letter is reasonable. You can discuss this with the HR or relevant authority and present your case professionally.
4. Legal Consultation:
- If the negotiation with the company does not yield satisfactory results, consider seeking legal advice to understand your rights and options under labor laws.
Remember to maintain professional communication throughout the process and document all interactions for future reference.
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The company HR is a joker if they think someone is going to pay them for notice period when they worked just a day and left on the same day. It is probably an automated mail from their system.
If you do not need the experience letter (why would you?) then just ignore them.
But since there is an entry in PF, you will need to disclose the matter to your next employer or it will be a problem in BGV
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If you do not need the experience letter (why would you?) then just ignore them.
But since there is an entry in PF, you will need to disclose the matter to your next employer or it will be a problem in BGV
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Incidentally, if they sent you a termination notice, it means you do not have any liability to give notice (they terminated, not you) and also they need to pay you salary for the 2 days (as they took the next day instead of same day)
But these are only technical matters of academic interest.
You can ignore all of these and go ahead with life
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But these are only technical matters of academic interest.
You can ignore all of these and go ahead with life
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It seems from your question that there has been a miscommunication between you and your employer about your employment termination and your Provident Fund (PF) exit date. Here are some steps you can take:
1. Communicate With Your Employer: Reach out to your employer's HR department and clarify the situation. Express your concerns about the termination process and the PF exit date. It's possible that the termination email was automated and did not consider your discontinuation email.
2. Consult Legal Advice: If your employer insists on you paying for the 2-month notice period, you may want to seek legal advice. As per the Industrial Employment (Standing Orders) Act, 1946, an employer is obligated to provide a notice period or pay in lieu of notice. However, the specific conditions may vary based on your employment contract.
3. Negotiate the Notice Period Payment: If your employment contract does not specify any penalty for not serving the notice period, you can negotiate with your employer about the payment. If you were not involved in any projects or had no dependencies, you could use this point to strengthen your argument.
4. Inform Your Next Employer: Whether you need the experience letter or not, you will need to disclose the situation to your next employer due to the entry in your PF. This is to avoid any complications during the Background Verification (BGV) process.
5. PF Withdrawal: Visit the https://www.epfindia.gov.in website to understand how to withdraw your PF. You will need to update your exit date, which should ideally be the last date that you worked at the company. According to the EPF Act, the exit date is the date when the employee leaves the service.
Remember, it's always better to have open communication with your employer to resolve such issues. If that doesn't work, legal consultation is recommended.
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1. Communicate With Your Employer: Reach out to your employer's HR department and clarify the situation. Express your concerns about the termination process and the PF exit date. It's possible that the termination email was automated and did not consider your discontinuation email.
2. Consult Legal Advice: If your employer insists on you paying for the 2-month notice period, you may want to seek legal advice. As per the Industrial Employment (Standing Orders) Act, 1946, an employer is obligated to provide a notice period or pay in lieu of notice. However, the specific conditions may vary based on your employment contract.
3. Negotiate the Notice Period Payment: If your employment contract does not specify any penalty for not serving the notice period, you can negotiate with your employer about the payment. If you were not involved in any projects or had no dependencies, you could use this point to strengthen your argument.
4. Inform Your Next Employer: Whether you need the experience letter or not, you will need to disclose the situation to your next employer due to the entry in your PF. This is to avoid any complications during the Background Verification (BGV) process.
5. PF Withdrawal: Visit the https://www.epfindia.gov.in website to understand how to withdraw your PF. You will need to update your exit date, which should ideally be the last date that you worked at the company. According to the EPF Act, the exit date is the date when the employee leaves the service.
Remember, it's always better to have open communication with your employer to resolve such issues. If that doesn't work, legal consultation is recommended.
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Based on the circumstances you've described, the company's procedure seems to be in violation of standard labor practices in India. As per the Industrial Disputes Act, 1947, an employer is not permitted to terminate an employee without providing a notice period or pay in lieu of notice.
As far as the Provident Fund (PF) is concerned, the exit date should ideally be the last day you were in service with the company. If you returned the laptop on April 1st and this was acknowledged by the company, the PF exit date should be April 1st. You can verify this information on the EPFO portal https://www.epfindia.gov.in.
Regarding the full and final settlement, it appears that the company is attempting to charge you for a 2-month notice period. However, since they have terminated you, they do not have the right to demand this payment. You should not be required to pay anything as you have not resigned but were terminated.
Here are the steps you can take:
1. Respond to the company's email clarifying you were terminated and, as per law, you should not be required to pay any notice period amount.
2. Request the company to rectify the PF exit date to April 1st as that was your last working day.
3. If the company does not respond favorably, you can raise a grievance with the Employees' Provident Fund Organisation through their grievance portal https://epfigms.gov.in/.
4. Seek legal advice if necessary.
Remember, it's important to maintain all communication with your employer in written format for future reference.
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As far as the Provident Fund (PF) is concerned, the exit date should ideally be the last day you were in service with the company. If you returned the laptop on April 1st and this was acknowledged by the company, the PF exit date should be April 1st. You can verify this information on the EPFO portal https://www.epfindia.gov.in.
Regarding the full and final settlement, it appears that the company is attempting to charge you for a 2-month notice period. However, since they have terminated you, they do not have the right to demand this payment. You should not be required to pay anything as you have not resigned but were terminated.
Here are the steps you can take:
1. Respond to the company's email clarifying you were terminated and, as per law, you should not be required to pay any notice period amount.
2. Request the company to rectify the PF exit date to April 1st as that was your last working day.
3. If the company does not respond favorably, you can raise a grievance with the Employees' Provident Fund Organisation through their grievance portal https://epfigms.gov.in/.
4. Seek legal advice if necessary.
Remember, it's important to maintain all communication with your employer in written format for future reference.
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Hi Saswatabanerjee,
Thank you so much for your response, I got my PF entry created on 30th April but there is an option to de-link. I have de-linked it and now it's not showing in my PF history. Am I safe now ? In PF entry they marked DOJ as 1st April and DOE is not mentioned and I have de-linked it now.
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Thank you so much for your response, I got my PF entry created on 30th April but there is an option to de-link. I have de-linked it and now it's not showing in my PF history. Am I safe now ? In PF entry they marked DOJ as 1st April and DOE is not mentioned and I have de-linked it now.
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From the details provided, it seems there might be some confusion regarding your termination process and your Provident Fund (PF) details. Here is what you can do:
PF Exit Date
1. The PF exit date should ideally be the last working day, which in your case, seems to be April 1st. However, different companies may have different rules about this. You might want to check your company's policy regarding the same.
2. The PF account gets updated by your employer, and the date of exit might not be updated immediately. It may take some time for the employer to update this information.
Termination Process
1. If you were terminated without prior notice, you should check the terms and conditions mentioned in your employment contract. In general, either party can terminate the employment agreement, provided they give a notice period as mentioned in the contract or payment in lieu of notice.
2. If you were not given either, you might want to consult with a labor law expert or your local labor office to understand your rights better.
Full and Final Settlement
1. The full and final settlement should include all the outstanding payables from both sides. This includes your unpaid salary, dues, and the notice period amount if applicable.
2. If your employer is asking for a 2-month notice period amount for providing an experience or relieving letter, it seems a bit unusual. The provision of the experience letter should not be conditional upon the payment of the notice period amount.
3. You can certainly try to negotiate this amount with your employer. However, it will depend largely on the terms of your employment contract and the company policy regarding the same.
PF De-linking
1. De-linking your PF account from the employer should not pose any problem as long as you have not withdrawn the amount. It simply means that the employer will not have access to your PF details.
2. However, you should monitor your PF account regularly to ensure that all details are updated correctly.
In any case, it's advisable to consult with an HR expert or a labor lawyer to understand the best course of action. You can check the https://www.epfindia.gov.in website for more information on PF related issues.
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PF Exit Date
1. The PF exit date should ideally be the last working day, which in your case, seems to be April 1st. However, different companies may have different rules about this. You might want to check your company's policy regarding the same.
2. The PF account gets updated by your employer, and the date of exit might not be updated immediately. It may take some time for the employer to update this information.
Termination Process
1. If you were terminated without prior notice, you should check the terms and conditions mentioned in your employment contract. In general, either party can terminate the employment agreement, provided they give a notice period as mentioned in the contract or payment in lieu of notice.
2. If you were not given either, you might want to consult with a labor law expert or your local labor office to understand your rights better.
Full and Final Settlement
1. The full and final settlement should include all the outstanding payables from both sides. This includes your unpaid salary, dues, and the notice period amount if applicable.
2. If your employer is asking for a 2-month notice period amount for providing an experience or relieving letter, it seems a bit unusual. The provision of the experience letter should not be conditional upon the payment of the notice period amount.
3. You can certainly try to negotiate this amount with your employer. However, it will depend largely on the terms of your employment contract and the company policy regarding the same.
PF De-linking
1. De-linking your PF account from the employer should not pose any problem as long as you have not withdrawn the amount. It simply means that the employer will not have access to your PF details.
2. However, you should monitor your PF account regularly to ensure that all details are updated correctly.
In any case, it's advisable to consult with an HR expert or a labor lawyer to understand the best course of action. You can check the https://www.epfindia.gov.in website for more information on PF related issues.
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I was not aware of the delinking option, thanks for the update.
About safety, I am not sure if it makes any difference. You can always inform HR that you had joined but left (giving whatever reason you want, preferably don't complain about the company, as HR will not like that).
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About safety, I am not sure if it makes any difference. You can always inform HR that you had joined but left (giving whatever reason you want, preferably don't complain about the company, as HR will not like that).
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In terms of your situation, there are a few factors to consider. Firstly, the PF exit date is typically the last working day that you were present in the office, which would be April 1st. However, this can vary based on company policy and how they record exit dates.
Regarding your termination, it seems there may have been a lack of communication from your employer. As per the Industrial Disputes Act 1947, an employer is required to give notice before termination. If they fail to do so, they may be in violation of the Act.
However, the requirement to pay a 2-month notice period for an experience/relieving letter is a common practice in many companies. This is usually non-negotiable, but you could try discussing it with your HR department and explain your situation.
In terms of safety, while it's true that you can inform HR about your situation, it might be best to avoid criticizing the company.
To address your concerns, here are some steps you can take:
1. Reach out to HR: Communicate your concerns to the HR department in a professional and respectful manner. Explain your situation and ask for clarification on the termination process and the PF exit date.
2. Consult a Legal Expert: If you feel that your rights have been violated, it might be beneficial to consult with a labor law expert. This could provide you with a clearer understanding of the situation and your legal rights.
3. Payment Negotiation: While it's often difficult to negotiate the payment for a notice period, it's not impossible. If you haven't been involved in any projects or dependencies, you could argue your case with HR.
Remember, each situation is unique and the laws can vary greatly based on location. So it's important to consult with a professional to understand your rights and obligations. You can also visit https://www.epfindia.gov.in for more information on PF matters.
From India, Gurugram
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Regarding your termination, it seems there may have been a lack of communication from your employer. As per the Industrial Disputes Act 1947, an employer is required to give notice before termination. If they fail to do so, they may be in violation of the Act.
However, the requirement to pay a 2-month notice period for an experience/relieving letter is a common practice in many companies. This is usually non-negotiable, but you could try discussing it with your HR department and explain your situation.
In terms of safety, while it's true that you can inform HR about your situation, it might be best to avoid criticizing the company.
To address your concerns, here are some steps you can take:
1. Reach out to HR: Communicate your concerns to the HR department in a professional and respectful manner. Explain your situation and ask for clarification on the termination process and the PF exit date.
2. Consult a Legal Expert: If you feel that your rights have been violated, it might be beneficial to consult with a labor law expert. This could provide you with a clearer understanding of the situation and your legal rights.
3. Payment Negotiation: While it's often difficult to negotiate the payment for a notice period, it's not impossible. If you haven't been involved in any projects or dependencies, you could argue your case with HR.
Remember, each situation is unique and the laws can vary greatly based on location. So it's important to consult with a professional to understand your rights and obligations. You can also visit https://www.epfindia.gov.in for more information on PF matters.
From India, Gurugram
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