I have observed a few changes to this community that are, in the long run as you will see, not conducive to the development of an online community.
This community has a lot of members. It takes many years to build up a community of that size. That's the good thing about it.
I fear that the current spate of observations I have made may harm the community or completely destroy it over a long period of time.
Some of the changes I have observed are:
1) The moderation has become more restrictive. This will kill the community. It grew because of its lenience and because it accommodated free thought and free speech.
Recently, even while I made no derisive comments on any particular individual, I received flak from some people who seem to be long-timers here.
Also, recently, in the last 3 months, I have been asked not to post my posts here or there or in more than a single forum or this or that.
In the long run, dear moderation team, this attitude will discourage posters and they will slowly reduce in number.
Please think about it.
I have been a part of online communities since 1997, when many people had no idea even what the Internet was and whether it existed. I tell you out of my experience.
2) Usability-wise, this forum is getting worse.
For example, earlier, on the top-right of the screen, you saw your own name and if you clicked it, you saw your user control panel screen, from which you could see your contributions, followers, etc.
Now, they removed your name and you see only the link 'Your Notifications' in that space.
You can still get to your user control panel, but it takes 3 more clicks and 3 screens to jump through to get there.
3) Usability glitch
Earlier, you had the option of editing your posts. Now, they have taken it away. As a result, any spelling errors, typos you make, anything else you want to change that you posted is now not available to you.
That can be quite uncomfortable.
These changes can be reversed.
It clearly shows that the people making these changes have little or no experience in building online communities.
I will add more as I observe them.
I would hate to see this community die. I request the current team of moderators and administrators to take these suggestions in a serious light and do something about them.
From India, Ghaziabad
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51This community has a lot of members. It takes many years to build up a community of that size. That's the good thing about it.
I fear that the current spate of observations I have made may harm the community or completely destroy it over a long period of time.
Some of the changes I have observed are:
1) The moderation has become more restrictive. This will kill the community. It grew because of its lenience and because it accommodated free thought and free speech.
Recently, even while I made no derisive comments on any particular individual, I received flak from some people who seem to be long-timers here.
Also, recently, in the last 3 months, I have been asked not to post my posts here or there or in more than a single forum or this or that.
In the long run, dear moderation team, this attitude will discourage posters and they will slowly reduce in number.
Please think about it.
I have been a part of online communities since 1997, when many people had no idea even what the Internet was and whether it existed. I tell you out of my experience.
2) Usability-wise, this forum is getting worse.
For example, earlier, on the top-right of the screen, you saw your own name and if you clicked it, you saw your user control panel screen, from which you could see your contributions, followers, etc.
Now, they removed your name and you see only the link 'Your Notifications' in that space.
You can still get to your user control panel, but it takes 3 more clicks and 3 screens to jump through to get there.
3) Usability glitch
Earlier, you had the option of editing your posts. Now, they have taken it away. As a result, any spelling errors, typos you make, anything else you want to change that you posted is now not available to you.
That can be quite uncomfortable.
These changes can be reversed.
It clearly shows that the people making these changes have little or no experience in building online communities.
I will add more as I observe them.
I would hate to see this community die. I request the current team of moderators and administrators to take these suggestions in a serious light and do something about them.
From India, Ghaziabad
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I observe that my posts are not showing up now. Great work, moderators.
My observations have been confirmed. You clearly have no experience in building online communities. The people who built this community were different people. You're a new breed of control freaks who are doing everything they can to reverse its popularity and kill it.
Good luck!
From India, Ghaziabad
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My observations have been confirmed. You clearly have no experience in building online communities. The people who built this community were different people. You're a new breed of control freaks who are doing everything they can to reverse its popularity and kill it.
Good luck!
From India, Ghaziabad
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Greetings, Thankyou for the feedback. This is your community, hence makes it most meaningful to hear from you and improve this together. Thankyou once again .
From India, Mumbai
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Hi Cite Contribution,
Thank you for your understanding. I really appreciate it. However, I do not see any of my posts being visible to other users. Could you please check if one of your team members has disabled my posts or something? Once again, thank you for your understanding. I highly appreciate it.
Regards,
Sathyaish
From India, Ghaziabad
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Thank you for your understanding. I really appreciate it. However, I do not see any of my posts being visible to other users. Could you please check if one of your team members has disabled my posts or something? Once again, thank you for your understanding. I highly appreciate it.
Regards,
Sathyaish
From India, Ghaziabad
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Greetings of the day
Dear Mr Sathyaish
Being a member i would like to express my sincere thanks for this discussion and your feedback but I would be really grateful if you’d answer my few of questions as following
-Do you feel to work with an appropriate system is bad?
-Do you feel there should have no system and procedure of posting of a query and need not to be follow?
See above my question are general and based on what i have read above and need to know the answer being a mate or member of this place.. I always prefer for work with a system and expect other to follow the system, rule and work procedure that also a demand of modernization. You certainly are more senior than me with age and experience but i beg you pardon.. i really am shocked with your question on "asking you for posting with a relevant forum by moderator"
Regarding posting a thread/query that you were/are asking to post your thread/post with a particular or relevant forum but don’t you think that we must have all discussions related to any topic with the relevant forum which will bring us a quick and easy option to get them whenever we required and according to modern and good organize system .
For example: how do you feel when you’ll get a discussion and query related to “Employee Training and Motivation” with “Humor Section” or “Employee Compensation and Benefits” Forum. The purpose of asking you and other member to post their discussion with a particular forum is valid and according to the system/ procedure, so that, all can read, learns and share their knowledge and experience easily.
And, the option and details you are talking about, it seems you forget to notice that this all now comes under option “Home” where member/user can get his/her profile and activities and other. Don’t you think this is too easy, quick and best option to get realize these all and according to user demand which is being appreciating by members too. I personally have many conversations about it with many member/friends about it.
About “Usability glitch” seems there is some technical problem or something..please contact Administrator.
Lastly, my respective mate, I request you to please do not claim the things that you are not aware as stated by you above with the Changes by the Moderators and they have little or no experience in building online communities.
Our Administrator (CHR) are fully authorised to consider any change being made by any moderator and so on. There is nothing hidden and the changes/development are going on are regularly discussing by member for their feed back that i believe are unnoticed by you.
From India, Gurgaon
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Dear Mr Sathyaish
Being a member i would like to express my sincere thanks for this discussion and your feedback but I would be really grateful if you’d answer my few of questions as following
-Do you feel to work with an appropriate system is bad?
-Do you feel there should have no system and procedure of posting of a query and need not to be follow?
See above my question are general and based on what i have read above and need to know the answer being a mate or member of this place.. I always prefer for work with a system and expect other to follow the system, rule and work procedure that also a demand of modernization. You certainly are more senior than me with age and experience but i beg you pardon.. i really am shocked with your question on "asking you for posting with a relevant forum by moderator"
Regarding posting a thread/query that you were/are asking to post your thread/post with a particular or relevant forum but don’t you think that we must have all discussions related to any topic with the relevant forum which will bring us a quick and easy option to get them whenever we required and according to modern and good organize system .
For example: how do you feel when you’ll get a discussion and query related to “Employee Training and Motivation” with “Humor Section” or “Employee Compensation and Benefits” Forum. The purpose of asking you and other member to post their discussion with a particular forum is valid and according to the system/ procedure, so that, all can read, learns and share their knowledge and experience easily.
And, the option and details you are talking about, it seems you forget to notice that this all now comes under option “Home” where member/user can get his/her profile and activities and other. Don’t you think this is too easy, quick and best option to get realize these all and according to user demand which is being appreciating by members too. I personally have many conversations about it with many member/friends about it.
About “Usability glitch” seems there is some technical problem or something..please contact Administrator.
Lastly, my respective mate, I request you to please do not claim the things that you are not aware as stated by you above with the Changes by the Moderators and they have little or no experience in building online communities.
Our Administrator (CHR) are fully authorised to consider any change being made by any moderator and so on. There is nothing hidden and the changes/development are going on are regularly discussing by member for their feed back that i believe are unnoticed by you.
From India, Gurgaon
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Hi Anil, The questions you raise are pertinent. I am rushing off now. I will be happy to share my stand with you when I return later tonight. Regards Sathyaish
From India, Ghaziabad
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Hi Sathyaish,
I can see your posts and they have always been visible. I know you received some flak for your posting about certifications. In general, making such general remarks will always cause some controversy, and you should've been prepared for that.
I was the one who told you a few times not to cross-post your blog links on various threads and forums - this is a rule that applies to all. Regarding being more restrictive - with growth, we need to create some rules; otherwise, this network will fill up very quickly with self-promoters and lose its core value of helping others - so the rules are required, and it's the same for all.
In 1997, most communities like Usenet or The WELL were unmoderated communities - you could post almost anything there. Since the number and quality of people using them were restricted to only people who could afford access, things were a bit simpler and easier. Today we get about 2000 new registrations a day - you can imagine what would happen to this community without these rules.
Usability issues are understandable - the line of text providing a direct link to the profile page was removed to reduce the space required by the navigation bar. I will see if we can fit in a direct link somewhere.
The edit option was removed because people were removing the original queries after receiving the help they needed. This breaks the discussion and makes the thread and the effort put in by the members completely useless. I will, at some point later, add a function to allow edits for the first 5 minutes.
Regards,
Sid
From India, Gurgaon
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I can see your posts and they have always been visible. I know you received some flak for your posting about certifications. In general, making such general remarks will always cause some controversy, and you should've been prepared for that.
I was the one who told you a few times not to cross-post your blog links on various threads and forums - this is a rule that applies to all. Regarding being more restrictive - with growth, we need to create some rules; otherwise, this network will fill up very quickly with self-promoters and lose its core value of helping others - so the rules are required, and it's the same for all.
In 1997, most communities like Usenet or The WELL were unmoderated communities - you could post almost anything there. Since the number and quality of people using them were restricted to only people who could afford access, things were a bit simpler and easier. Today we get about 2000 new registrations a day - you can imagine what would happen to this community without these rules.
Usability issues are understandable - the line of text providing a direct link to the profile page was removed to reduce the space required by the navigation bar. I will see if we can fit in a direct link somewhere.
The edit option was removed because people were removing the original queries after receiving the help they needed. This breaks the discussion and makes the thread and the effort put in by the members completely useless. I will, at some point later, add a function to allow edits for the first 5 minutes.
Regards,
Sid
From India, Gurgaon
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We are here only because we want to see others succeed. What we learn in the process remains only a natural result. Giving doesn't make anyone rich, nor does a free service. A community, unlike an organization, belongs to the members who are a part of it. What we make out of this community depends only on us.
Can we make sure others thrive and grow? Well, that's only why we are here. Years back, my mentor, Samvedan, had given me a vision. He asked me to challenge myself to see how many leaders and successful professionals I can build. Sounds interesting? Let's get at it :)
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Can we make sure others thrive and grow? Well, that's only why we are here. Years back, my mentor, Samvedan, had given me a vision. He asked me to challenge myself to see how many leaders and successful professionals I can build. Sounds interesting? Let's get at it :)
From India, Mumbai
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Hello Sathyaish,
I guess you will be seeing ALL the responses later tonight.
With absolutely NO ILL WILL or any intent to castigate/criticize, please go through the following points -- comments on the issues you raised in this thread, some of which are quite valid and apt.
1. The Subject you chose: "This place needs the old moderators back."
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to sync it with the content you posted in this thread? While the content has some really valid and excellent points raised, the Subject gives any new or fresh reader/member a totally different impression (the senior members can see that you didn't actually mean the different interpretation it CAN convey). Please give this a thought. Given your experience in online communities, I hope you got the point.
2. I guess the clarifications/remarks by Sid, (Cite Contribution), and Anil to your point "The moderation has become more restrictive" are satisfactory to you. But, at the same time, you do have a point that 'free thought and free speech' ought to be the mainstay of this Forum. Now the key aspect would be to find the RIGHT BALANCE -- where 'free thought and free speech' remain BUT with the necessary structured processes in place (to ensure that some members don't misuse this Forum).
I think it is also imperative on everyone's part -- especially those who participate regularly in this Forum -- to bear in mind the various legal aspects IF and WHEN any serious situations arise due to a 'sort of' lackadaisical methodology in postings -- without any formal controlling/structured mechanism. Hope you get the point, given some recent situations abroad where FB and a few other Forums had to do a lot of explaining due to misuse.
3. Regarding the other points related to the technical aspects/functions/features that you raised, I presume Sid's response addresses them. Please let us know if any of them isn't clear AND if you think there's a better way to do them.
And finally, a point for introspection -- no pun intended, please -- your strength is in the issues/points you are able to notice and highlight/escalate. But where this gets tapered/watered down or misconstrued is the method/wordings you adopt (in short, you are pretty good at the "WHAT part," but may need to look into how to improve "the HOW part").
Looking forward to your continued participation and feedback on how to make this Forum more useful to ALL users.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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I guess you will be seeing ALL the responses later tonight.
With absolutely NO ILL WILL or any intent to castigate/criticize, please go through the following points -- comments on the issues you raised in this thread, some of which are quite valid and apt.
1. The Subject you chose: "This place needs the old moderators back."
Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to sync it with the content you posted in this thread? While the content has some really valid and excellent points raised, the Subject gives any new or fresh reader/member a totally different impression (the senior members can see that you didn't actually mean the different interpretation it CAN convey). Please give this a thought. Given your experience in online communities, I hope you got the point.
2. I guess the clarifications/remarks by Sid, (Cite Contribution), and Anil to your point "The moderation has become more restrictive" are satisfactory to you. But, at the same time, you do have a point that 'free thought and free speech' ought to be the mainstay of this Forum. Now the key aspect would be to find the RIGHT BALANCE -- where 'free thought and free speech' remain BUT with the necessary structured processes in place (to ensure that some members don't misuse this Forum).
I think it is also imperative on everyone's part -- especially those who participate regularly in this Forum -- to bear in mind the various legal aspects IF and WHEN any serious situations arise due to a 'sort of' lackadaisical methodology in postings -- without any formal controlling/structured mechanism. Hope you get the point, given some recent situations abroad where FB and a few other Forums had to do a lot of explaining due to misuse.
3. Regarding the other points related to the technical aspects/functions/features that you raised, I presume Sid's response addresses them. Please let us know if any of them isn't clear AND if you think there's a better way to do them.
And finally, a point for introspection -- no pun intended, please -- your strength is in the issues/points you are able to notice and highlight/escalate. But where this gets tapered/watered down or misconstrued is the method/wordings you adopt (in short, you are pretty good at the "WHAT part," but may need to look into how to improve "the HOW part").
Looking forward to your continued participation and feedback on how to make this Forum more useful to ALL users.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi All,
When I read the "Topic" heading, the first thing that comes to my mind is, "Is this concern/query correctly posted in the right section of the forum?" Hence, I would like to take this opportunity to raise a concern about how it is decided that a thread is wrongly posted in the wrong section. It's a very thin line to define the many categories where you should post your thoughts/query into the appropriate section of the forum. I am struggling these days to clearly share my views and thoughts on any topic after receiving a few notifications on my posts.
What I feel and have found is that if moderators feel that any thread/post is incorrectly placed, they can easily move them instead of deleting the thread/post. I am not taking anyone's side or blaming anyone, but it is for the betterment of this community and its users.
I would also like to quote and agree with one line from the above post reply, " I always prefer to work with a system and expect others to follow the system, rules, and work procedures as well; that is also a demand of modernization." but with a difference that it can't be followed in the same way every time. Otherwise, the problems, concerns, and issues of the users that we regularly see on this forum should be stopped, and later on, the need for these forums would not be required. I always see many situations in my office on a daily basis that do not demand a systematic approach but a "situation and understanding" approach.
Once again, I am not against anybody's views/thoughts but sharing my views that I felt like sharing with all of you. Looking forward to a positive response.
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When I read the "Topic" heading, the first thing that comes to my mind is, "Is this concern/query correctly posted in the right section of the forum?" Hence, I would like to take this opportunity to raise a concern about how it is decided that a thread is wrongly posted in the wrong section. It's a very thin line to define the many categories where you should post your thoughts/query into the appropriate section of the forum. I am struggling these days to clearly share my views and thoughts on any topic after receiving a few notifications on my posts.
What I feel and have found is that if moderators feel that any thread/post is incorrectly placed, they can easily move them instead of deleting the thread/post. I am not taking anyone's side or blaming anyone, but it is for the betterment of this community and its users.
I would also like to quote and agree with one line from the above post reply, " I always prefer to work with a system and expect others to follow the system, rules, and work procedures as well; that is also a demand of modernization." but with a difference that it can't be followed in the same way every time. Otherwise, the problems, concerns, and issues of the users that we regularly see on this forum should be stopped, and later on, the need for these forums would not be required. I always see many situations in my office on a daily basis that do not demand a systematic approach but a "situation and understanding" approach.
Once again, I am not against anybody's views/thoughts but sharing my views that I felt like sharing with all of you. Looking forward to a positive response.
From India, Delhi
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Hello,
I am unable to comprehend and appreciate this debate. Or is it just an aimless expression of personal grievances?
I do not know the history of matters being reported or contested. The overt aims to improve the board seemed to me an effort to impose one's own views on others!
Why is so much space being used up for such a cause?
When I join any community, the first unannounced rule is that to get the best out of the community, I must first conform, gain acceptance, and then start making suggestions in the right quarters instead of demanding things like, "all moderators be removed and the old ones be reinstated." But to each their own. When I am a member of a community comprising hundreds of thousands of members, the least I can do is extend cooperation to the managers of the board!
However, if I do not like things in a community, or if I find that even reasonable suggestions are ignored, then it is best to choose another community rather than continue to suffer and/or make an effort to impose one's own views. If I do not find or am unable to make peace and harmony in one community, then I must change my address!
I respect all views expressed so far, but this discussion will go out of focus if it does not end in good time. And I know that I am NOT the person to decide when the good time is over.
Good luck to those who enjoy this discussion!
Regards,
Samvedan
December 16, 2012
From India, Pune
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I am unable to comprehend and appreciate this debate. Or is it just an aimless expression of personal grievances?
I do not know the history of matters being reported or contested. The overt aims to improve the board seemed to me an effort to impose one's own views on others!
Why is so much space being used up for such a cause?
When I join any community, the first unannounced rule is that to get the best out of the community, I must first conform, gain acceptance, and then start making suggestions in the right quarters instead of demanding things like, "all moderators be removed and the old ones be reinstated." But to each their own. When I am a member of a community comprising hundreds of thousands of members, the least I can do is extend cooperation to the managers of the board!
However, if I do not like things in a community, or if I find that even reasonable suggestions are ignored, then it is best to choose another community rather than continue to suffer and/or make an effort to impose one's own views. If I do not find or am unable to make peace and harmony in one community, then I must change my address!
I respect all views expressed so far, but this discussion will go out of focus if it does not end in good time. And I know that I am NOT the person to decide when the good time is over.
Good luck to those who enjoy this discussion!
Regards,
Samvedan
December 16, 2012
From India, Pune
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My dear friends,
I am sorry that I have not yet been able to add my reply to this discussion. I am chasing a deadline and expect to be of a more pleasant and free disposition by Wednesday evening, which is when I will articulate my thoughts and reply.
Meanwhile, it is wonderful to see so many replies. This community is *so* alive! :-)
From India, Ghaziabad
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I am sorry that I have not yet been able to add my reply to this discussion. I am chasing a deadline and expect to be of a more pleasant and free disposition by Wednesday evening, which is when I will articulate my thoughts and reply.
Meanwhile, it is wonderful to see so many replies. This community is *so* alive! :-)
From India, Ghaziabad
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