One of the employee working with my firm also working some times for other organization as consultant. Can any full time employee permitted to work as consultant anywhere else?
From India, Ahmadabad
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From India, Ahmadabad
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Hi,
A person should not be on the payrolls of two different companies at the same time, but otherwise, they can earn money through part-time jobs or work as a consultant. This is my view. People, please correct me if I am wrong.
From India, Madras
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A person should not be on the payrolls of two different companies at the same time, but otherwise, they can earn money through part-time jobs or work as a consultant. This is my view. People, please correct me if I am wrong.
From India, Madras
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Hi hhurmade,
It purely depends on the policy regulations that the present employer has in practice. Many companies don't allow their employees to work for any other company part-time, as consultants, advisors, etc.
Thank you.
From India, Bangalore
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482It purely depends on the policy regulations that the present employer has in practice. Many companies don't allow their employees to work for any other company part-time, as consultants, advisors, etc.
Thank you.
From India, Bangalore
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Hi Harish,
First of all, please let me know if there is any existing alternative work policy in your organization. From my understanding, this policy varies from one company to another. Some sectors, like the IT industry, allow for consultant work.
Could you provide me with information about the nature of your company and industry?
Khyati Pandya HR Ahmedabad pandya.khyati@gmail.com
From India, Ahmadabad
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First of all, please let me know if there is any existing alternative work policy in your organization. From my understanding, this policy varies from one company to another. Some sectors, like the IT industry, allow for consultant work.
Could you provide me with information about the nature of your company and industry?
Khyati Pandya HR Ahmedabad pandya.khyati@gmail.com
From India, Ahmadabad
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Educational institutions encourage consultancy; however they claw back a certain percentage of the earnings from such consultancy work. Have a nice day. Simhan
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There is a difference between full-time employment on one hand and consultancy or similar assignments on the other hand.
Even in Govt. and Public sector (where such rules are most stringent), there is no bar on "consultancy" work unless otherwise specified or prohibited, as in the case of Doctors who get Non-Practising Allowances (NPA) for not doing any private consultations; similarly, govt. teachers are barred from taking private tuitions.
I have myself invited senior govt. officials of the level of secretaries and senior professors/HOD's of govt. institutions to deliver talks, lectures, workshops, training sessions, etc., on honorarium and travel and stay arrangements being provided by the company.
Hope this clears the doubt on this matter.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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Even in Govt. and Public sector (where such rules are most stringent), there is no bar on "consultancy" work unless otherwise specified or prohibited, as in the case of Doctors who get Non-Practising Allowances (NPA) for not doing any private consultations; similarly, govt. teachers are barred from taking private tuitions.
I have myself invited senior govt. officials of the level of secretaries and senior professors/HOD's of govt. institutions to deliver talks, lectures, workshops, training sessions, etc., on honorarium and travel and stay arrangements being provided by the company.
Hope this clears the doubt on this matter.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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Now a days it is happening in many places. But finally it is depends upon policy and t&c during joining of employee. But I think it is ok
From India, Pune
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From India, Pune
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Hi,
Generally, the terms and conditions of an appointment order describe that an employee should dedicate his time entirely to the betterment of the organization where he is employed. He cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, devote his time to other organizations. This is usually done to prevent the leaking of organizational secrets and to ensure total devotion to the employer.
However, he can dedicate his leisure time during holidays to offer his services to NGOs purely for social service.
From India, Delhi
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Generally, the terms and conditions of an appointment order describe that an employee should dedicate his time entirely to the betterment of the organization where he is employed. He cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, devote his time to other organizations. This is usually done to prevent the leaking of organizational secrets and to ensure total devotion to the employer.
However, he can dedicate his leisure time during holidays to offer his services to NGOs purely for social service.
From India, Delhi
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Definitely not unless and until the current employer has given permission.
If any employee is found to be working with another organization as a part-time employee, consultant, etc., the current employer can take action against such an employee.
Thank you.
From India, Indore
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If any employee is found to be working with another organization as a part-time employee, consultant, etc., the current employer can take action against such an employee.
Thank you.
From India, Indore
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There are multiple ways of looking at it. True, you cannot normally take up additional employment as most employers will contractually forbid you from doing so. Even so, in your free time, you might do some work that is not related to the work you do at your company or the business of your company, as a hobby that could give you remuneration. For instance, if you play the guitar at a concert and earn a few bucks while working as a software engineer, it cannot be normally treated as additional employment. Hence, the answer is more on a case-to-case basis.
Some Pun: Unless you are sure, never ask your current employer... :-) He might think you are not adequately loaded and change your workday from a 12-hour workday to a 14-hour workday :-)
From United States, Daphne
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Some Pun: Unless you are sure, never ask your current employer... :-) He might think you are not adequately loaded and change your workday from a 12-hour workday to a 14-hour workday :-)
From United States, Daphne
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Dual employment without prior information/permission (in writing) to both the organization concerned would amount to a breach of the employment contract. If one is employed by two organizations simultaneously without informing the concerned parties, it constitutes concealing vital information, which may be considered fraud and could lead to action under the respective service conditions of both organizations, as well as under general laws like the Contract Act and the Indian Penal Code.
It is important to differentiate between the terms "employment" and "honorary assignments." Providing free services or receiving honorary payments/reimbursements does not constitute employment.
Regards,
From India, Pune
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It is important to differentiate between the terms "employment" and "honorary assignments." Providing free services or receiving honorary payments/reimbursements does not constitute employment.
Regards,
From India, Pune
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I am quite a bit confused. Most people say there were legal bindings, okay, fine. What can we do? We can terminate the employee. Nothing else. But that was not the solution. As HR professionals, we are sitting in the organization for employees' benefits as well as employers' benefits. If this employee gives his 100% during the term of his employment and maintains the organization's legal perspectives intact, then if he works as a consultant, where is the problem? We have to understand his needs and feelings. If it is going in the wrong way, then we have the option of termination as per our legal perspectives.
Thanks and Regards,
Dipak Kumar Saha
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Thanks and Regards,
Dipak Kumar Saha
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No, provided you have an explicit policy prohibiting people from taking part-time jobs. If it is not conflicting with your business, usually companies don't bother. You need to make a call on what his business/job is outside your office hours, then take action.
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Subject: Can an Employee Work as a Consultant Anywhere Else
Dear all,
In my opinion, a full-time employee cannot work as a consultant anywhere else. If they do so, they are not being fair to their employer. However, for a part-time employee, there are no restrictions.
If a full-time employee is found working with another organization, they can be charged and dismissed from service on the grounds of unprofessional ethics.
Regards to everybody,
RL Dhingra, Advocate Labor Law Consultant 09818309937
From India, Delhi
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Dear all,
In my opinion, a full-time employee cannot work as a consultant anywhere else. If they do so, they are not being fair to their employer. However, for a part-time employee, there are no restrictions.
If a full-time employee is found working with another organization, they can be charged and dismissed from service on the grounds of unprofessional ethics.
Regards to everybody,
RL Dhingra, Advocate Labor Law Consultant 09818309937
From India, Delhi
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Hi hhurmade,
Though most organizations do not allow nor encourage dual employment, there are a few that have policies allowing such practice. In one of the organizations where I have worked before, they did have a provision for dual employment, subject to approval from the department head and the HR.
They review the second job profile and evaluate if that role would have any negative impact on the employee's current position. If everything checks out, they approve the second employment. However, I don't think there is any law that prevents a person from working in a private firm and taking up a second job, whether as a consultant or a full-timer. If the individual is employed by a government organization, the law strictly prohibits a second job.
In the case of government-funded organizations, depending on the nature of the entity, there may be provisions allowed.
With regards,
John P Vijay
Managing Director
WULFGARDS LEARNING CENTER
From India, Madras
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Though most organizations do not allow nor encourage dual employment, there are a few that have policies allowing such practice. In one of the organizations where I have worked before, they did have a provision for dual employment, subject to approval from the department head and the HR.
They review the second job profile and evaluate if that role would have any negative impact on the employee's current position. If everything checks out, they approve the second employment. However, I don't think there is any law that prevents a person from working in a private firm and taking up a second job, whether as a consultant or a full-timer. If the individual is employed by a government organization, the law strictly prohibits a second job.
In the case of government-funded organizations, depending on the nature of the entity, there may be provisions allowed.
With regards,
John P Vijay
Managing Director
WULFGARDS LEARNING CENTER
From India, Madras
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Hi,
The issue cannot be generalized as this depends upon the language of the appointment letter specifying the terms and conditions of the work and the service. It is wrong to contend that government officials, even at the level of secretaries, are allowed to work as consultants and receive paid honorarium. A government servant is a 24-hour employee and cannot accept any other type of employment whatsoever. Attending seminars, workshops, or giving lectures is not considered employment; these activities classify individuals as guest faculties who are experts and authorities on the subject. If the standing orders do not provide or the terms of employment do not in any way restrict part-time employment, it may be deemed permissible. It is observed that certain employees, possessing expertise due to their extensive experience, provide part-time consultancy unofficially.
From India, Jaipur
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The issue cannot be generalized as this depends upon the language of the appointment letter specifying the terms and conditions of the work and the service. It is wrong to contend that government officials, even at the level of secretaries, are allowed to work as consultants and receive paid honorarium. A government servant is a 24-hour employee and cannot accept any other type of employment whatsoever. Attending seminars, workshops, or giving lectures is not considered employment; these activities classify individuals as guest faculties who are experts and authorities on the subject. If the standing orders do not provide or the terms of employment do not in any way restrict part-time employment, it may be deemed permissible. It is observed that certain employees, possessing expertise due to their extensive experience, provide part-time consultancy unofficially.
From India, Jaipur
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:) Wish it were possible.
Yes, I do agree that if a person is employed on the rolls of the company, then he is bound to work for that company only.
But, what if he is working in a company and working as a consultant from his residence, but not related to any company? Meaning that the work is being outsourced, and he works as a consultant.
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Yes, I do agree that if a person is employed on the rolls of the company, then he is bound to work for that company only.
But, what if he is working in a company and working as a consultant from his residence, but not related to any company? Meaning that the work is being outsourced, and he works as a consultant.
From India, Bangalore
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Hi,
I am assuming your company's recruitment policy includes a provision of "Non-Compete." If the same is not breached, it should be okay. In other words, he or she cannot be consulting for a similar natured business.
There are companies that cover all companies (either competing or not) under their non-compete provision. If so, then working anywhere else under any arrangement is not permissible.
Thanks
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I am assuming your company's recruitment policy includes a provision of "Non-Compete." If the same is not breached, it should be okay. In other words, he or she cannot be consulting for a similar natured business.
There are companies that cover all companies (either competing or not) under their non-compete provision. If so, then working anywhere else under any arrangement is not permissible.
Thanks
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Unless H/She is a govt. servant..!! h/she can..!! so long as he is not violating the corporate culture and terms of offer
From India, Madras
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please send a project on 'employee motivation' i’m doing my mba project............ so please help me...................plzzzzzzzzzzzz
From India, Delhi
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Normally, part-time consultancy is not barred under any law. However, ethically, one should not engage in consultancy in the same field in which they are performing their duties within the organization they work for, or in the line of business of that organization.
Even government officers, including secretaries, when invited to take on an assignment, seek permission from the government to participate. Without permission, they are not allowed to undertake such assignments. I have experience working with the government, and this is a reality.
From India, Chandigarh
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Even government officers, including secretaries, when invited to take on an assignment, seek permission from the government to participate. Without permission, they are not allowed to undertake such assignments. I have experience working with the government, and this is a reality.
From India, Chandigarh
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The employment letter/contract will determine whether or not the employee can be associated with another organization. Consulting while in employment may bring a conflict of interest. While legally okay (provided the fees received are subject to TDS and are duly included as earnings), it may not be ethically correct. Most organizations have no objection to employees being associated with educational/professional bodies gratis or for a nominal stipend as this amounts to "reaching out" on behalf of the organization. Part-time or contractual employees would be able to consult freely provided their contracts are worded as such. It is best to be clear and inform the concerned authorities in the organization before accepting any consulting assignment (whether paid or not) to ensure that the commitment to the employer is not infringed upon in terms of time, resources, and patented information.
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What does this have to do with the topic of discussion? If you are studying for your MBA you also need to learn to respect the forums you participate in.
From India, Pune
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If the consultancy work doesn't hamper the official time and work in the organization, I suppose it should not be a problem. The work should be different and should not be competing with the existing organizational work. Only then can an individual have another source of income in the form of consulting, freelancing, etc.
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My dear friend Tikam,
This was in connection with matters related to the propagation and proper implementation of the government's policy; (and not any contractual work pertaining to and in the private sector). We had invited a senior Secretary-level official of a Central Ministry to help as a faculty in a workshop to implement one of the government's policies. I am certain that the senior official must have taken due permission, as the program/event was widely reported in newspapers and other media.
Kindly have an open mind about situations and new information. Kindly do not subscribe to the NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome; i.e. if anything does not happen in one's organization or if one has no idea or information, it DOES NOT MEAN that it does not happen.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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This was in connection with matters related to the propagation and proper implementation of the government's policy; (and not any contractual work pertaining to and in the private sector). We had invited a senior Secretary-level official of a Central Ministry to help as a faculty in a workshop to implement one of the government's policies. I am certain that the senior official must have taken due permission, as the program/event was widely reported in newspapers and other media.
Kindly have an open mind about situations and new information. Kindly do not subscribe to the NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome; i.e. if anything does not happen in one's organization or if one has no idea or information, it DOES NOT MEAN that it does not happen.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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Dear Friends,
Let us distinguish between employment and Guest Faculty. Delivering a lecture on the subject does not amount to employment and engagement in a profession. What is paid for the lecture is neither wage nor salary nor fee or any other remuneration. It is known as Honorarium paid as a mark of respect for the preparation and toil made for the deliberation. Furthermore, every HOD is supposed to educate his customers, users, and subscribers in this democratic setup. The knowledge, wisdom, or expertise that one has acquired is a property acquired by virtue of being a Public Servant to be distributable to the public at large and more particularly to the users of the services under the law.
In addition, the officers engaged in any academic or research work are paid Training Allowance also in addition to the salary. This is to eradicate the general ignorance, myths, and confusion about the subject as everyone must know their rights and duties.
The part-time employment is continuous engagement for some work or assignment which does not require full-time deployment throughout the season. The part-time employees thus establish a master and servant relation. This relation is not established with the Secretaries invited for delivering a lecture in the field of their expertise.
Hopefully, this clarification will be of little use.
A retired Gr A Central Govt Officer and a Practicing Lawyer.
From India, Jaipur
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Let us distinguish between employment and Guest Faculty. Delivering a lecture on the subject does not amount to employment and engagement in a profession. What is paid for the lecture is neither wage nor salary nor fee or any other remuneration. It is known as Honorarium paid as a mark of respect for the preparation and toil made for the deliberation. Furthermore, every HOD is supposed to educate his customers, users, and subscribers in this democratic setup. The knowledge, wisdom, or expertise that one has acquired is a property acquired by virtue of being a Public Servant to be distributable to the public at large and more particularly to the users of the services under the law.
In addition, the officers engaged in any academic or research work are paid Training Allowance also in addition to the salary. This is to eradicate the general ignorance, myths, and confusion about the subject as everyone must know their rights and duties.
The part-time employment is continuous engagement for some work or assignment which does not require full-time deployment throughout the season. The part-time employees thus establish a master and servant relation. This relation is not established with the Secretaries invited for delivering a lecture in the field of their expertise.
Hopefully, this clarification will be of little use.
A retired Gr A Central Govt Officer and a Practicing Lawyer.
From India, Jaipur
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I agree with the clarification given above by Satish Kumar Bhargava. The "consultant" needs to be defined/explained properly in the query itself so that members can give appropriate responses specific to the matter under discussion. I request the hhurmade, who started this discussion, to cite the instance with more information such as the nature of the organization, about the employee, and the kind of "consultancy" work he is rendering outside. Merely mentioning 'as a consultant' does not clarify the matter and sends members on the 'wrong trail'.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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ls tel me how to write letter to get permission to allow our employees to work for other company some purpose
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