Who is HR Personnel or who is to be considered as HR Professional or HR Personnel?
To be qualified as a HR Professional one should have either of the following:
1) Academic Qualification that is MBA or PG Diploma in HR or MSW or certificate course in HR
2) Should be a Certified HR Professional from SHRM or CIPD or other related Institutes
3) Should be a Qualified Trainer or Human Behavior Specialist
4) Should be working in HR Department
However, I don’t consider following people as HR Professionals:
1) Graduates, working in Administrative Department of the Company, there by taking care of Housekeeping, Security, Guest Hospitality or Maintaining the Travel Desk
2) Graduates, working as Recruiters. Searching Jobs on Job Portals and coordinating interviews with Clients is not considered as a HR Job, because such recruiters are not in a position to take functional interviews or negotiate salaries. They play hardly any role in the selection or rejection of the candidate. They are just coordinators and work on the guidelines of their Clients.
3) Practicing lawyers are also not considered as HR Professionals.
Looking forward to your comments and feedback
Regards
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Sanjeev Sharma
(Blog: http://sanjeevhimachali.blogspot.com/)
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From India, Mumbai
94To be qualified as a HR Professional one should have either of the following:
1) Academic Qualification that is MBA or PG Diploma in HR or MSW or certificate course in HR
2) Should be a Certified HR Professional from SHRM or CIPD or other related Institutes
3) Should be a Qualified Trainer or Human Behavior Specialist
4) Should be working in HR Department
However, I don’t consider following people as HR Professionals:
1) Graduates, working in Administrative Department of the Company, there by taking care of Housekeeping, Security, Guest Hospitality or Maintaining the Travel Desk
2) Graduates, working as Recruiters. Searching Jobs on Job Portals and coordinating interviews with Clients is not considered as a HR Job, because such recruiters are not in a position to take functional interviews or negotiate salaries. They play hardly any role in the selection or rejection of the candidate. They are just coordinators and work on the guidelines of their Clients.
3) Practicing lawyers are also not considered as HR Professionals.
Looking forward to your comments and feedback
Regards
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
(Blog: http://sanjeevhimachali.blogspot.com/)
Or ( <link outdated-removed> )
From India, Mumbai
Hi Sanjeev,
In my opinion human resource management is a much wider term than just setting up company policies or document templates or figuring out compensation. I think it is everything to do with the management of people, their behavior and motivation towards work - to help them improve in areas related to work and personal development. Professionals who are responsible for organizing everything related to that are HR professionals.
Regards,
CHR
From India, Gurgaon
In my opinion human resource management is a much wider term than just setting up company policies or document templates or figuring out compensation. I think it is everything to do with the management of people, their behavior and motivation towards work - to help them improve in areas related to work and personal development. Professionals who are responsible for organizing everything related to that are HR professionals.
Regards,
CHR
From India, Gurgaon
Seriously Sanjeev I just can not see any idea in this overall and not at all in connection with who can give their input on CiteHR.
Some of the people that have helped me with templates on this site is often graduates, recruiters (that you do not think are HR) etc.
So please lets make space for everybody here on CiteHR instead of starting to discuss who is the "real" HR and who is not.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
Some of the people that have helped me with templates on this site is often graduates, recruiters (that you do not think are HR) etc.
So please lets make space for everybody here on CiteHR instead of starting to discuss who is the "real" HR and who is not.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
Randi...thanks for the inputs. I am not against anybody but just trying to Distinguish. I think CiteHR should remain as CiteHR and should not become CiteManagement.
That will actually defeat the purpose.
Most often...those who don't even know the ABC of HR....they ask very ridicules queries...people don't know how to calculate attrition; they don't know the difference between KRA's and KPA's; they don't know how to calculate leaves...with all these...people are not able to grow. We are at the same level from where we have begun. Different people ask the same question in a different manner on different days.
We need to graduate to the next level such as
Executive Coaching;
Succession Planning;
Organization Development;
Aligning HR with Business;
HR Metrics
Talent Management,
Career Development,
Performance Management etc.
Here, I have seen people who don't know the difference between Performance Management and Performance Appraisal; between Talent Acquisition and Talent Management.
Anyways, thanks for the inputs.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
That will actually defeat the purpose.
Most often...those who don't even know the ABC of HR....they ask very ridicules queries...people don't know how to calculate attrition; they don't know the difference between KRA's and KPA's; they don't know how to calculate leaves...with all these...people are not able to grow. We are at the same level from where we have begun. Different people ask the same question in a different manner on different days.
We need to graduate to the next level such as
Executive Coaching;
Succession Planning;
Organization Development;
Aligning HR with Business;
HR Metrics
Talent Management,
Career Development,
Performance Management etc.
Here, I have seen people who don't know the difference between Performance Management and Performance Appraisal; between Talent Acquisition and Talent Management.
Anyways, thanks for the inputs.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
Hi Sanjeev
And maybe I will be one of the ridicules people one day and maybe you will be one of them another day!
Just because we work in the kind of HR that you define as "real" HR, we do not know everything. What I like about CiteHR is that you can ask stupid questions (or at least what other people might think is stupid) and you can decide not to read the questions that you think is stupid but that other people might want to know more about.
I am working as HR manager, but because I do not have an Indian background there is a lot of the legal aspects that I do not know about, and therefore I will often sound ridicules (and I don't know the difference between KRA's and KPA's). Does that mean that I should not be allowed to use CiteHR?
CiteHR will always be on multiple levels - new people will join and some questions will be asked over and over again, but you have the choice of just reading the questions that you believe are interesting and answering the same (and please leave the rest alone).
Remember what you think is ridicules might be what I think is interesting and just the other way around.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
And maybe I will be one of the ridicules people one day and maybe you will be one of them another day!
Just because we work in the kind of HR that you define as "real" HR, we do not know everything. What I like about CiteHR is that you can ask stupid questions (or at least what other people might think is stupid) and you can decide not to read the questions that you think is stupid but that other people might want to know more about.
I am working as HR manager, but because I do not have an Indian background there is a lot of the legal aspects that I do not know about, and therefore I will often sound ridicules (and I don't know the difference between KRA's and KPA's). Does that mean that I should not be allowed to use CiteHR?
CiteHR will always be on multiple levels - new people will join and some questions will be asked over and over again, but you have the choice of just reading the questions that you believe are interesting and answering the same (and please leave the rest alone).
Remember what you think is ridicules might be what I think is interesting and just the other way around.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
And by the way Sanjeev please do start a discussion on one of these issues. I believe we are a lot of people on CiteHR that would love to hear about and discuss on these subjects - at least I am very interested.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
Randi...I think you have not read the posting. I have mentioned that either one should be Qualified to work as a HR Professional or he/she is working in HR Department. Graduates...working as Recruiters with Recruitment Consultancies should not be considered as HR Professionals.
Those who atleast have subjective or functional knowledge about HR can be trained.
That is my perception.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
Those who atleast have subjective or functional knowledge about HR can be trained.
That is my perception.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sanjeev
I have for sure read you comment and I will try once and for all to end this (at least from my side):
My opinion is:
1.that we that work in HR or have the qualification can also ask stupid questions. This "ability" is not only confined to graduates etc.
2. And that there need to be room for anybody that have an interest in HR. I am just happy that so many graduates and recruiters etc. are so interested that they are spending a lot of time on CiteHR sharing with everybody else
Overall (and this we will properly never agree upon) there should be room for all kind of people on CiteHR: the once working with HR, the once not working with what you define as "real" HR and the once just interested. Again we all have the right to read the discussion we find interesting and ignoring the rest.
I know you properly don't agree but this is the way CiteHR works. There is no background check when you sign up, there is no clause stating that you need to be in "real" HR. So there is no reason to talk hard to graduates that you believe ask stupid questions - just learn to ignore and participate in the discussions that you believe are on your "level".
I will for sure "ignore" this issue for now - but I am looking forward to some of your discussions on Performance management etc.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
I have for sure read you comment and I will try once and for all to end this (at least from my side):
My opinion is:
1.that we that work in HR or have the qualification can also ask stupid questions. This "ability" is not only confined to graduates etc.
2. And that there need to be room for anybody that have an interest in HR. I am just happy that so many graduates and recruiters etc. are so interested that they are spending a lot of time on CiteHR sharing with everybody else
Overall (and this we will properly never agree upon) there should be room for all kind of people on CiteHR: the once working with HR, the once not working with what you define as "real" HR and the once just interested. Again we all have the right to read the discussion we find interesting and ignoring the rest.
I know you properly don't agree but this is the way CiteHR works. There is no background check when you sign up, there is no clause stating that you need to be in "real" HR. So there is no reason to talk hard to graduates that you believe ask stupid questions - just learn to ignore and participate in the discussions that you believe are on your "level".
I will for sure "ignore" this issue for now - but I am looking forward to some of your discussions on Performance management etc.
Kind regards,
Randi
From India, Delhi
Hi to everyone,
Let's calm down here - I myself am not an HR graduate as a matter of fact not even a management graduate. CiteHR is meant for anyone who wants to learn anything about HR or anything related to it. It's possible that many questions are repeated - perhaps a suggestion to search the site first can be added to the posting page.
Like suggested on this thread - read the things which you find interesting - ignore the rest. If you find some topic interesting - start a thread on that.
Regards,
CHR
From India, Gurgaon
Let's calm down here - I myself am not an HR graduate as a matter of fact not even a management graduate. CiteHR is meant for anyone who wants to learn anything about HR or anything related to it. It's possible that many questions are repeated - perhaps a suggestion to search the site first can be added to the posting page.
Like suggested on this thread - read the things which you find interesting - ignore the rest. If you find some topic interesting - start a thread on that.
Regards,
CHR
From India, Gurgaon
hi,
one day everybody is a learner not professional... after getting exp. and knowledge one day he becomes a professional so dont say that this is a cite of professionals, it is a cite of all hr people who still in a way or in a beginning of their career.. we all are here to help them out.. he is asking stupids questions becuz he doesn't know.. once he knows it he become professional in his field so here this is u senior people to tell him the right way..dont u think so.
regards
manish
From India, Delhi
one day everybody is a learner not professional... after getting exp. and knowledge one day he becomes a professional so dont say that this is a cite of professionals, it is a cite of all hr people who still in a way or in a beginning of their career.. we all are here to help them out.. he is asking stupids questions becuz he doesn't know.. once he knows it he become professional in his field so here this is u senior people to tell him the right way..dont u think so.
regards
manish
From India, Delhi
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