Dear All,
Greetings for the day
I came across one situation in my friend's case; I need all ur inputs on this.
My friend got selected in one of the reputed industry as Asst Manager -Purchases. He was hired through consultancy. He got offer letter and they have asked him to confirm the joining date at the earliest and they have told him that he has to undergo pre- employment medical.
So he have resigned his current job and confirmed his joining date . He attended medical test at that time the doctors have spoken to him in different way commented him for his heavy weight.
After that he was tried to reach the HR but she didn't respond to his calls after two days she have sent sms to him that " the offer has been cancelled due to his High BMI and over weight- sorry- all the best".
I was surprised to hear that is High BMI and over weight is unfit for employment that to for private organizations.
If they have that criteria , by seeing himself at interview they can judge because he looks very fatty.
Whatever the case that HR should have minimum courtesy to call him and explain the reasons and make him comfortable
Based on this offer he resigned his current job and in handover process. This spoiled his career.
Why can't they issue offer letter after medical tests? if they have their own standards.
And form consultancy people he came to know that HR is not interested in him from initial stage but due to functional managers decision she have issued offer.
What actions right now he can take?
What you people comment on this issue?
Thanks,
Satya
From India, Hyderabad
Greetings for the day
I came across one situation in my friend's case; I need all ur inputs on this.
My friend got selected in one of the reputed industry as Asst Manager -Purchases. He was hired through consultancy. He got offer letter and they have asked him to confirm the joining date at the earliest and they have told him that he has to undergo pre- employment medical.
So he have resigned his current job and confirmed his joining date . He attended medical test at that time the doctors have spoken to him in different way commented him for his heavy weight.
After that he was tried to reach the HR but she didn't respond to his calls after two days she have sent sms to him that " the offer has been cancelled due to his High BMI and over weight- sorry- all the best".
I was surprised to hear that is High BMI and over weight is unfit for employment that to for private organizations.
If they have that criteria , by seeing himself at interview they can judge because he looks very fatty.
Whatever the case that HR should have minimum courtesy to call him and explain the reasons and make him comfortable
Based on this offer he resigned his current job and in handover process. This spoiled his career.
Why can't they issue offer letter after medical tests? if they have their own standards.
And form consultancy people he came to know that HR is not interested in him from initial stage but due to functional managers decision she have issued offer.
What actions right now he can take?
What you people comment on this issue?
Thanks,
Satya
From India, Hyderabad
Hi Satya,
This is really weird to know. I do not see any conflict from your friend's side, and he followed as he was guided. The reasons and comments from the new employer and the consultant are really odd and unprofessional.
If the interview happened in a formal way and in-person, there's no point in raising the excuse of overweight. It really won't matter, though. There are no such companies in India that have such criteria for recruitment unless they hire for a foreign assignment, and that too is subject to a code of medical conditions. Further, I am sure that the new employer mentioned the joining date in the appointment letter.
This is really a tricky situation and could lead to legal aspects. Before I say anything (I actually became speechless now), I would await responses from the other forum members.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
This is really weird to know. I do not see any conflict from your friend's side, and he followed as he was guided. The reasons and comments from the new employer and the consultant are really odd and unprofessional.
If the interview happened in a formal way and in-person, there's no point in raising the excuse of overweight. It really won't matter, though. There are no such companies in India that have such criteria for recruitment unless they hire for a foreign assignment, and that too is subject to a code of medical conditions. Further, I am sure that the new employer mentioned the joining date in the appointment letter.
This is really a tricky situation and could lead to legal aspects. Before I say anything (I actually became speechless now), I would await responses from the other forum members.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Thanks Anil for your quick views.
My friend has done everything as they guided , right now he is working in
top brand MNC.
The interview was happened face to face and 3 panel members done the interview ( 1 HR and 2 from Functional).
They haven't released any appointment letter , they sent email offer letter and mentioned tentative joining date but there is clause that offer is subjection to conditions , should be through in medical .
But my query, is high BMI is medically unfit for employment??
If they have that they could have decided during the interview itself by seeing him otherwise they should send offer after medical.
Waiting to see how responses from other members
Thanks
Satya
From India, Hyderabad
My friend has done everything as they guided , right now he is working in
top brand MNC.
The interview was happened face to face and 3 panel members done the interview ( 1 HR and 2 from Functional).
They haven't released any appointment letter , they sent email offer letter and mentioned tentative joining date but there is clause that offer is subjection to conditions , should be through in medical .
But my query, is high BMI is medically unfit for employment??
If they have that they could have decided during the interview itself by seeing him otherwise they should send offer after medical.
Waiting to see how responses from other members
Thanks
Satya
From India, Hyderabad
They haven't released any appointment letter , they sent email offer letter and mentioned tentative joining date but there is clause that offer is subjection to conditions , should be through in medical .
-- Yes, every letter of intent or offer letter carry such conditions/ terms. Unless the denial from the recruiter matches with the clauses that they mentioned in that offer letter, there's no way of cancelling an appointment wish such reason.
But my query, is high BMI is medically unfit for employment??
-- Overweight has never become a major issue in the corporate history... even in the foreign-tied domestic sectors. Further I am not sure whether that new role has any obligations towards such cases. If the domestic company is rolling out such criteria that might be industry-specific or business-specific. Otherwise, I don't see any point bringing this issue into the conflict.
If they have that they could have decided during the interview itself by seeing him otherwise they should send offer after medical.
--- now, this point shoots our own comfortability towards 'if's and 'but's ... one thing you should understand here that every company has certain guidelines to follow in terms of allocated budget as well. Coming to your point....
1) seeing him in the interview .... can you really judge the inner capability when you look at an overweight person? should we generalize the personalities by our assumptions without doing much analysis towards our requirement? ... This is where company introduces a process (fitness test).
2) they should send offer after medical ... this statement is quiet complicated because this is where one should commit/compromise the budget issues. If they offer after medical tests .... who will bear the candidate's expenses on medical tests in case of denial in employment.... Well, this is where company introduces 'clauses' (in their policy).
Hope this will clarify your question ... feel free to raise your points.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
-- Yes, every letter of intent or offer letter carry such conditions/ terms. Unless the denial from the recruiter matches with the clauses that they mentioned in that offer letter, there's no way of cancelling an appointment wish such reason.
But my query, is high BMI is medically unfit for employment??
-- Overweight has never become a major issue in the corporate history... even in the foreign-tied domestic sectors. Further I am not sure whether that new role has any obligations towards such cases. If the domestic company is rolling out such criteria that might be industry-specific or business-specific. Otherwise, I don't see any point bringing this issue into the conflict.
If they have that they could have decided during the interview itself by seeing him otherwise they should send offer after medical.
--- now, this point shoots our own comfortability towards 'if's and 'but's ... one thing you should understand here that every company has certain guidelines to follow in terms of allocated budget as well. Coming to your point....
1) seeing him in the interview .... can you really judge the inner capability when you look at an overweight person? should we generalize the personalities by our assumptions without doing much analysis towards our requirement? ... This is where company introduces a process (fitness test).
2) they should send offer after medical ... this statement is quiet complicated because this is where one should commit/compromise the budget issues. If they offer after medical tests .... who will bear the candidate's expenses on medical tests in case of denial in employment.... Well, this is where company introduces 'clauses' (in their policy).
Hope this will clarify your question ... feel free to raise your points.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Hi Satya,
It is indeed a bad thing, and even I don't believe that it can happen just because of overweight or heavy weight. That's ridiculous and not acceptable. How can they just cancel the offer because of his high BMI?
Although there is no specific rule, maybe it comes under the company policy that does not allow them to hire him with his high BMI. They have refused and canceled the offer, and the ignorance by the employer in this regard is also not acceptable. He must visit them and confront them, letting them answer your friend's questions.
I have never come across this kind of thing in my life and have never heard of any candidate being snubbed for this particular reason. It is really a very sad thing. A medical examination is required for some occupations, and some employers test before interviews, which is becoming common in corporate culture these days.
One thing I want to know from you: has he read the terms & conditions of employment before accepting the offer? Was he aware of any clause/criteria regarding his high BMI or the medical examination?
As for your friend, how could he resign from his current job before accepting the offer or signing any employment/joining letter, or even confirming the joining date? Wasn't he aware that the joining date can't be confirmed without signing any employment letter, even if he was going through the medical examination as part of the interview/recruitment process? How could he do this?
In your first message, you mentioned he resigned, but in your second message, you said he is working with a top MNC. Please clarify.
Based on the statement of the consultancy people you mentioned, it raises questions about the employers and the quality of their work. "HR is not interested in him from the initial stage, but due to the functional manager's decision, she issued the offer." This shows conflicts between management and departments and how HR personnel can issue an offer letter in that case.
High BMI/heavy weight cannot be considered. As I mentioned above, maybe there is a company policy that does not allow them to proceed with his employment and has refused him. Generally, this is not a problem anyway.
From India, Gurgaon
It is indeed a bad thing, and even I don't believe that it can happen just because of overweight or heavy weight. That's ridiculous and not acceptable. How can they just cancel the offer because of his high BMI?
Although there is no specific rule, maybe it comes under the company policy that does not allow them to hire him with his high BMI. They have refused and canceled the offer, and the ignorance by the employer in this regard is also not acceptable. He must visit them and confront them, letting them answer your friend's questions.
I have never come across this kind of thing in my life and have never heard of any candidate being snubbed for this particular reason. It is really a very sad thing. A medical examination is required for some occupations, and some employers test before interviews, which is becoming common in corporate culture these days.
One thing I want to know from you: has he read the terms & conditions of employment before accepting the offer? Was he aware of any clause/criteria regarding his high BMI or the medical examination?
As for your friend, how could he resign from his current job before accepting the offer or signing any employment/joining letter, or even confirming the joining date? Wasn't he aware that the joining date can't be confirmed without signing any employment letter, even if he was going through the medical examination as part of the interview/recruitment process? How could he do this?
In your first message, you mentioned he resigned, but in your second message, you said he is working with a top MNC. Please clarify.
Based on the statement of the consultancy people you mentioned, it raises questions about the employers and the quality of their work. "HR is not interested in him from the initial stage, but due to the functional manager's decision, she issued the offer." This shows conflicts between management and departments and how HR personnel can issue an offer letter in that case.
High BMI/heavy weight cannot be considered. As I mentioned above, maybe there is a company policy that does not allow them to proceed with his employment and has refused him. Generally, this is not a problem anyway.
From India, Gurgaon
I agree with you Anil and Susmitha but there is not just something suspicious and strange but are many things wrong with the Employer. As i have mentioned there is a conflict which was the main villain and they must not take action against him or cancel the offer letter while they were already aware of the physical condition of candidates or High IBM while conducting face to face interview.
Also if they have any kind of rule and policy that they will never hire any candidate with HIGH IBM, they must not go further and have rejected him in the initial stage…
From India, Gurgaon
Also if they have any kind of rule and policy that they will never hire any candidate with HIGH IBM, they must not go further and have rejected him in the initial stage…
From India, Gurgaon
Yes Anil, I read through your understanding and you covered it very well, except on one point ... resigning from the current job ... I really cannot comment on this because there are many points and decisions linked to such situations... If I were in his place, I would have done the same thing... may be, who knows?
Well ... I am really eager to see a firm response from someone on this matter. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Well ... I am really eager to see a firm response from someone on this matter. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Satya,
Your friend can file a civil suit against the company for compensation since the offer sent to him has been accepted, forming a contract. The success of the case will depend on the details provided in the offer letter regarding medical checkups and acceptable standards.
The situation was truly disappointing. For justice, your friend may seek recourse in a court of law.
From India, Jaipur
Your friend can file a civil suit against the company for compensation since the offer sent to him has been accepted, forming a contract. The success of the case will depend on the details provided in the offer letter regarding medical checkups and acceptable standards.
The situation was truly disappointing. For justice, your friend may seek recourse in a court of law.
From India, Jaipur
Dear Anil,
Thanks for your clarification.
There were no terms regarding the medical fitness.. means on what criteria they would be deciding the Medicaally fit and this high BMI case.
Yours is very good point , they can even put terms in offer letter that their Employment Medical fitness norms so that we can have better understaning before taking any decision.
Well in your first massage you said that he has resigned but in your second massage you said he is working with a TOP MNC?? please clear.
Means his current employer... he is serving his notice period. Now he sent request to his current Employer for taking back his resignation have to wait for the result.
Thanks,
Satya
From India, Hyderabad
Thanks for your clarification.
There were no terms regarding the medical fitness.. means on what criteria they would be deciding the Medicaally fit and this high BMI case.
Yours is very good point , they can even put terms in offer letter that their Employment Medical fitness norms so that we can have better understaning before taking any decision.
Well in your first massage you said that he has resigned but in your second massage you said he is working with a TOP MNC?? please clear.
Means his current employer... he is serving his notice period. Now he sent request to his current Employer for taking back his resignation have to wait for the result.
Thanks,
Satya
From India, Hyderabad
OK!! Thanks for this. Well, yes, he took the right step and needs to speak to his direct boss/supervisor too in this regard but must not disclose this story because this can have a negative impact on him. Also, he has to give a strong reason to his boss for this change in his decision that he wants to stay longer with them. I wish him the very best of luck.
From India, Gurgaon
From India, Gurgaon
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