Reduction by one stage in the time scale applicable, whether for a specific period or permanent, is not mentioned in LIC Staff Rules. This penalty is correct according to Rule 11 CCS (CCA) Rule 3(iii)(a) or 3(v). Reduction by one stage in a time scale applicable is restorable after one year when the final order doesn't state whether the reduction is for a specific period or permanent.
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(iii a) reduction to a lower stage in the time-scale of pay by one stage for a period not exceeding three years, without cumulative effect and not adversely affecting his pension.
Major Penalties -
(v) save as provided for in clause (iii)(a), reduction to a lower stage in the time-scale of pay for a specified period, with further directions as to whether or not the Government servant will earn increments of pay during the period of such reduction and whether on the expiry of such period, the reduction will or will not have the effect of postponing the future increments of his pay.
(vi) reduction to a lower time-scale of pay, grade, post, or service for a period to be specified in the order of penalty, which shall be a bar to the promotion of the Government servant during such specified period to the time-scale of pay, grade, post, or service from which he was reduced, with direction as to whether or not, on promotion on the expiry of the said specified period -
These are the provisions in CCS. LIC has its own staff rules and will have to be referred to know the impact. Besides, unless the final order and proposed punishment order are read verbatim, nothing can be specifically mentioned regarding the query.
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(iii a) reduction to a lower stage in the time-scale of pay by one stage for a period not exceeding three years, without cumulative effect and not adversely affecting his pension.
Major Penalties -
(v) save as provided for in clause (iii)(a), reduction to a lower stage in the time-scale of pay for a specified period, with further directions as to whether or not the Government servant will earn increments of pay during the period of such reduction and whether on the expiry of such period, the reduction will or will not have the effect of postponing the future increments of his pay.
(vi) reduction to a lower time-scale of pay, grade, post, or service for a period to be specified in the order of penalty, which shall be a bar to the promotion of the Government servant during such specified period to the time-scale of pay, grade, post, or service from which he was reduced, with direction as to whether or not, on promotion on the expiry of the said specified period -
These are the provisions in CCS. LIC has its own staff rules and will have to be referred to know the impact. Besides, unless the final order and proposed punishment order are read verbatim, nothing can be specifically mentioned regarding the query.
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To add to the comments of Shri Nathrao Sir, there cannot be a permanent reduction as one has to be restored to the substantive post after the period of punishment is over. So by implication, there cannot be a permanent reduction. As pointed out, more details are required, including the punishment clause itself.
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In terms of Rule 11, there could be a permanent reduction, but if so, it shall be mentioned that the employee shall not earn increments during the period of punishment. In that case, the punishment is a major one as it adversely affects the pension.
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(Fact Checked)-The user's reply is correct in stating that if a permanent reduction is imposed under Rule 11, it should mention the employee will not earn increments during the punishment period, impacting pension. (1 Acknowledge point)
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(Fact Checked)-The user's reply is generally correct in outlining the penalties and disciplinary authorities under CCS rules. However, the user should also refer to LIC staff rules for specific details on penalties. (1 Acknowledge point)