How should we spread the word about cite.co? Do the members think it's worthwhile for people to come and use this service? Not fishing for compliments - just a genuine curiosity about how we should go about spreading the word.
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Hello Sid, Was SEO considered? Many corporates go for SEO/SEM to popularize/extend their reach thru the web/internet — usually effective too. Rgds, TS
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Hi Sateesh,
Yeah, we do extensive research on SEO and implement a lot of things. Other than that (Cite Contribution) has started getting involved in events. Our goal is to help create sub-networks in locations, and we are trying to incorporate that into the site. But what I feel we need to understand is the use cases or needs of the users. Anything particularly troubling or time-consuming when people work - anything related to information or psychology of what users are feeling.
The importance of this sort of community is extremely significant, and many companies have asked me about how this was created - as in India, it is pretty difficult to get people to open up online (unlike the tech industry where a lot is shared). Any thoughts?
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Sid
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Yeah, we do extensive research on SEO and implement a lot of things. Other than that (Cite Contribution) has started getting involved in events. Our goal is to help create sub-networks in locations, and we are trying to incorporate that into the site. But what I feel we need to understand is the use cases or needs of the users. Anything particularly troubling or time-consuming when people work - anything related to information or psychology of what users are feeling.
The importance of this sort of community is extremely significant, and many companies have asked me about how this was created - as in India, it is pretty difficult to get people to open up online (unlike the tech industry where a lot is shared). Any thoughts?
Regards,
Sid
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Hello Sid,
I guess this is a very valuable and apt topic for a brainstorming session—seriously.
One thing that comes to my mind is location-specific chapters—which you already seem to be incorporating.
Another point that I can think of is to incorporate a domain/sector-specific group/chapter since quite a few (though not all) HR issues/situations tend to be sector-specific.
One more thing that comes to my mind is to encourage discussions/threads with technical content/issues in CiteHR (which have been there, but far in-between) and have links to relevant technical websites. Though this would enable solving the issue(s) posted as the immediate result/consequence, my primary intent for this is long-term—to take CiteHR into the discussion rooms of techies since any function/department/role essentially boils down to one common factor: people/HR.
Conversely, using SEO, CiteHR could also be backlinked on various technical sites for solutions to any HR-related issues.
Hope you get my point.
I am sure there would be other suggestions too—all it takes is some deep thinking by the members.
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TS
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I guess this is a very valuable and apt topic for a brainstorming session—seriously.
One thing that comes to my mind is location-specific chapters—which you already seem to be incorporating.
Another point that I can think of is to incorporate a domain/sector-specific group/chapter since quite a few (though not all) HR issues/situations tend to be sector-specific.
One more thing that comes to my mind is to encourage discussions/threads with technical content/issues in CiteHR (which have been there, but far in-between) and have links to relevant technical websites. Though this would enable solving the issue(s) posted as the immediate result/consequence, my primary intent for this is long-term—to take CiteHR into the discussion rooms of techies since any function/department/role essentially boils down to one common factor: people/HR.
Conversely, using SEO, CiteHR could also be backlinked on various technical sites for solutions to any HR-related issues.
Hope you get my point.
I am sure there would be other suggestions too—all it takes is some deep thinking by the members.
Regards,
TS
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Hi Sateesh,
Thanks for sharing your very interesting point about sector-specific issues - great thinking. Could you provide me with some examples of these? I believe these issues can be addressed by creating tags for each sector-specific problem. This way, users will have the option to subscribe to these tags and receive real-time notifications when new content related to these issues arises. However, I need to understand how to identify these sectors and encourage users to categorize their threads appropriately.
One thing that has been captivating my interest lately is the "power of suggestion." I have been delving into psychology and brain function. The techniques employed by military and religious organizations to influence and control individuals are truly enlightening. Implementing similar strategies could potentially foster constructive ideas in people. While I am just beginning to explore this concept, I have outlined my preliminary thoughts in an article that I wrote, which you can access [here](http://sroys.com/post/27388152607/psychology-and-constructive-ideas-a-beginning).
The fact that I am now managing this community is quite peculiar to me - I was never particularly academically inclined and had no prior interest in management (my academic background is in computer science). However, a series of events led me to initiate this community and dedicate myself to its growth. Reflecting on my past, I am certain that there are specific influences that shaped my thinking and ultimately guided me to this point.
If indeed we are wired to follow certain paths based on our past experiences, then individuals hold significant power over others. This influence is becoming increasingly evident in our media and newspapers, where information is strategically presented to elicit particular responses. If this power can be harnessed to benefit influential individuals, it can also be used to empower the general populace.
I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on these matters.
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Sid
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Thanks for sharing your very interesting point about sector-specific issues - great thinking. Could you provide me with some examples of these? I believe these issues can be addressed by creating tags for each sector-specific problem. This way, users will have the option to subscribe to these tags and receive real-time notifications when new content related to these issues arises. However, I need to understand how to identify these sectors and encourage users to categorize their threads appropriately.
One thing that has been captivating my interest lately is the "power of suggestion." I have been delving into psychology and brain function. The techniques employed by military and religious organizations to influence and control individuals are truly enlightening. Implementing similar strategies could potentially foster constructive ideas in people. While I am just beginning to explore this concept, I have outlined my preliminary thoughts in an article that I wrote, which you can access [here](http://sroys.com/post/27388152607/psychology-and-constructive-ideas-a-beginning).
The fact that I am now managing this community is quite peculiar to me - I was never particularly academically inclined and had no prior interest in management (my academic background is in computer science). However, a series of events led me to initiate this community and dedicate myself to its growth. Reflecting on my past, I am certain that there are specific influences that shaped my thinking and ultimately guided me to this point.
If indeed we are wired to follow certain paths based on our past experiences, then individuals hold significant power over others. This influence is becoming increasingly evident in our media and newspapers, where information is strategically presented to elicit particular responses. If this power can be harnessed to benefit influential individuals, it can also be used to empower the general populace.
I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on these matters.
Regards,
Sid
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This is just a suggestion. If there is a possibility of enrolling domain knowledge experts, it would be great. For example, I have a query in the domain of law/legal that I post today. If I have the assurance that I would get a valuable answer (for free :P) within a day or two, it would be a great help for people in general. For example, if you see ht.campus, they have eminent career counselors with pictures. (Ask Questions, Career Questions, Ask Questions on Education, Courses and Colleges in India - HTCampus) I am not disregarding the suggestion of every contributing member, yet the assurance of a domain knowledge expert's advice would probably enhance the value of the entire concept.
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Hi Indira,
Thanks, it's a great suggestion. We have tried to get some subject matter experts online but most are very busy and can't really spare time for voluntary work. For this reason, we allow everyone to promote their businesses - on the condition that the promotion will only be limited to your signature.
It actually adds a lot of value for the consultants and service providers as people like to work with other good people - nobody likes fraud. One way of making your expertise and character known is by participating and helping others.
These documents are going to be online for a long time and many will read them. It's an ideal opportunity for these consultants and service providers to showcase their expertise. This is actually becoming a trend where businesses willingly write informative articles to become known as subject matter experts.
We have described it in our introductory video and hope more people will pick this up. [Cite.Co.mp4 - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN6R8iYRqpw)
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Sid
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Thanks, it's a great suggestion. We have tried to get some subject matter experts online but most are very busy and can't really spare time for voluntary work. For this reason, we allow everyone to promote their businesses - on the condition that the promotion will only be limited to your signature.
It actually adds a lot of value for the consultants and service providers as people like to work with other good people - nobody likes fraud. One way of making your expertise and character known is by participating and helping others.
These documents are going to be online for a long time and many will read them. It's an ideal opportunity for these consultants and service providers to showcase their expertise. This is actually becoming a trend where businesses willingly write informative articles to become known as subject matter experts.
We have described it in our introductory video and hope more people will pick this up. [Cite.Co.mp4 - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN6R8iYRqpw)
Regards,
Sid
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Anyways, CiteHR is such a big hit amongst HR and others that people would get to know about it anyway, like I did. Yet, it certainly makes sense to at least have a link (either text/image) to Cite.co on the homepage of all the other communities. Logically, it is supposed to be the mother of all - CiteHR, CiteSales, CiteFin, etc. Probably an image link somewhere above the user testimonials. Disclaimer: just a layman suggestion.
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Dear Sid,
As you are aware, I am an avid user of this site. I have posted a large number of advices to young and upcoming HR/Training professionals. In my training programs or whenever I go for a meeting, I have mentioned this forum. I found HR professionals are aware of this forum. Not that they do not know. However, the major problem is the quality of discussion. Very basic issues are discussed in this forum.
Secondly, many members are lazy. They do not use Google search engine or use this forum itself before raising a query.
What is important is sharing the experience - good or bad. Not many members do this.
A lot of knowledge sharing happens on this site. However, how many members have come forward and given a case study of the problems they faced while implementing that knowledge in their company?
Quality discussion is key for spreading the word. I am also a member of several groups on Linkedin. I find the quality of the discussion is far superior. The posts are crisp, and so are their replies. Secondly, nobody bothers for "knowledge sharing." Just ask your problem, and that is all.
In the name of "knowledge sharing," this site has promoted "copycats" in a big way.
I don't know whether you will like my above comments, but these are my honest opinions!
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
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As you are aware, I am an avid user of this site. I have posted a large number of advices to young and upcoming HR/Training professionals. In my training programs or whenever I go for a meeting, I have mentioned this forum. I found HR professionals are aware of this forum. Not that they do not know. However, the major problem is the quality of discussion. Very basic issues are discussed in this forum.
Secondly, many members are lazy. They do not use Google search engine or use this forum itself before raising a query.
What is important is sharing the experience - good or bad. Not many members do this.
A lot of knowledge sharing happens on this site. However, how many members have come forward and given a case study of the problems they faced while implementing that knowledge in their company?
Quality discussion is key for spreading the word. I am also a member of several groups on Linkedin. I find the quality of the discussion is far superior. The posts are crisp, and so are their replies. Secondly, nobody bothers for "knowledge sharing." Just ask your problem, and that is all.
In the name of "knowledge sharing," this site has promoted "copycats" in a big way.
I don't know whether you will like my above comments, but these are my honest opinions!
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
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Hello Mr. Sid and greetings to all
Well first, I would like to express my most sincere thanks to you for taking action to start this discussion.
Second, the question about services and use of this place and what role Cite is playing in the life of users and professionals today, actually cannot be express easily. I personally have numbers of contacts from this place and outside world that have appreciated and expressed themselves about Cite Network (CiteHR, CiteSales) and feel great to be a member of this site.
The CONTRIBUTION, what Cite has given to our professional world today with almost every possible sector, field is amazing, and people hardly found the same with other professional sites. I do not think there is more need to say because Google and other search engines are already saying a lot to us in our daily life in every minute.
In addition, we are getting more and more new members daily, is the live example but still as we all know and talking here about that there are lots of things which we require to develop, and the first one is RECOGNITION.
Once I remember when I was talking to a friend regarding HR Generalist profile and career (She is from Media Sector), she admitted that Cite has helped her in many things but still are not using it regularly because of a reason but found it really helpful. She read the post and discussions and did the same copy-paste whenever she required even without using her membership (Signing in) as Mr Divekar has also pointed out here.
There were two things what I discovered while our conversation: Cite is really helping to people, not only the people who are member but to all who are not a member of this site yet. Second, that she never cared to spend time and found numbers of threads on a single topic and the question was repeating constantly (personal and shared experience by other friends), which always put her in confusion that never made her to spent much time on Cite, but the other side is that she found it really helpful at some point.
I immediately expressed myself to her and asked her to spend some good time at cite and share her views/ experiences with us. I did not say much but I promised her that once she will start communicating, certainly would say thanks to me and she did the same subsequently.
Cite is not just good but best place for us today and helping to many people however, we cannot ignore the problems what we having day by day that making our place dirty. I would use “DIRTY” bcz of unprofessional elements (Jokes, Poem and other as stated above) being posted here which really needs to control and for that development/changes are required.
It is good to know and understand the problems of users, so that, the required changes can be made which will certainly help us but my question is how can we make our cite best and top professional site with Professionals Recognition and Ethics with not just specific location/sector/ field but for all?
Cite.com is not location specific but an INTERNATIONAL forum as we having users across the Globe, which is not just for the people who are from HR world but for everyone with the purpose of Career/ Education Advice, Knowledge Sharing and much more. But, can we really see us today at this level which we wanna achieve so far with the present contribution, and how much big role are we playing, what we more need to develop to reach every professionals house are another few questions. Moreover, I seriously wanna see this and hoping to have the day soon.
Furthermore, here we already are having forum options for specific subject/post but how many members are actually using it properly is also a big concern. I also agree with you Mr. Sid that sector specific issues can be solves by Tagging, which is available here.
Mr. Sid thanks once again that you have shard your story that how you have developed this place and have given us a good network and for the Introductory Video on YouTube.com I personally feel great to be a member of Cite and cannot say how much I learn in my daily life because of CiteHR.
Your statement “If it can be used to create power for the influential people, the same can be used to empower the people themselves.” is one of my new learning today.
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Well first, I would like to express my most sincere thanks to you for taking action to start this discussion.
Second, the question about services and use of this place and what role Cite is playing in the life of users and professionals today, actually cannot be express easily. I personally have numbers of contacts from this place and outside world that have appreciated and expressed themselves about Cite Network (CiteHR, CiteSales) and feel great to be a member of this site.
The CONTRIBUTION, what Cite has given to our professional world today with almost every possible sector, field is amazing, and people hardly found the same with other professional sites. I do not think there is more need to say because Google and other search engines are already saying a lot to us in our daily life in every minute.
In addition, we are getting more and more new members daily, is the live example but still as we all know and talking here about that there are lots of things which we require to develop, and the first one is RECOGNITION.
Once I remember when I was talking to a friend regarding HR Generalist profile and career (She is from Media Sector), she admitted that Cite has helped her in many things but still are not using it regularly because of a reason but found it really helpful. She read the post and discussions and did the same copy-paste whenever she required even without using her membership (Signing in) as Mr Divekar has also pointed out here.
There were two things what I discovered while our conversation: Cite is really helping to people, not only the people who are member but to all who are not a member of this site yet. Second, that she never cared to spend time and found numbers of threads on a single topic and the question was repeating constantly (personal and shared experience by other friends), which always put her in confusion that never made her to spent much time on Cite, but the other side is that she found it really helpful at some point.
I immediately expressed myself to her and asked her to spend some good time at cite and share her views/ experiences with us. I did not say much but I promised her that once she will start communicating, certainly would say thanks to me and she did the same subsequently.
Cite is not just good but best place for us today and helping to many people however, we cannot ignore the problems what we having day by day that making our place dirty. I would use “DIRTY” bcz of unprofessional elements (Jokes, Poem and other as stated above) being posted here which really needs to control and for that development/changes are required.
It is good to know and understand the problems of users, so that, the required changes can be made which will certainly help us but my question is how can we make our cite best and top professional site with Professionals Recognition and Ethics with not just specific location/sector/ field but for all?
Cite.com is not location specific but an INTERNATIONAL forum as we having users across the Globe, which is not just for the people who are from HR world but for everyone with the purpose of Career/ Education Advice, Knowledge Sharing and much more. But, can we really see us today at this level which we wanna achieve so far with the present contribution, and how much big role are we playing, what we more need to develop to reach every professionals house are another few questions. Moreover, I seriously wanna see this and hoping to have the day soon.
Furthermore, here we already are having forum options for specific subject/post but how many members are actually using it properly is also a big concern. I also agree with you Mr. Sid that sector specific issues can be solves by Tagging, which is available here.
Mr. Sid thanks once again that you have shard your story that how you have developed this place and have given us a good network and for the Introductory Video on YouTube.com I personally feel great to be a member of Cite and cannot say how much I learn in my daily life because of CiteHR.
Your statement “If it can be used to create power for the influential people, the same can be used to empower the people themselves.” is one of my new learning today.
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Lastly, I second Mr Divekar having the same concern. And Mr Divekar, please do never feel or think how other will take your suggestion/feedback/opinions or in what sense bcz you as well as every member of this place has the right to say what development and changes he/she want for our esteemed place Cite/HR. I really appreciate and respect the feedback you have provided.
Members never try to go “reSEARCH” ” option or at side bar of our Cite page for “Related Topics” even after reminding and asking them to use it or Google once, and the problem is still going on. Sometime they come with the excuses of being new member on the forum, which is a very immature statement, and becoming a problem. I do not understand how an educated person who is using computer and technology can deliver these kind of statements, as they are not so naïve and aware of these options and using many times in their daily life.
There is an option/solution I believe can help us in this case if can be developed.
“Before posting a query/question, there should be an Alert Message /Dialog box, which will ask the member to confirm whether the content been searched before submitting the same or not”
See the very important element of composing any message, which everyone (New/Old member) has to use before posting/submitting a query/message/question, is SUBJECT LINE, which can help us in this case alot.
For example : If I would like to ask a question or have a query about “Termination during notice period” which has used as SUBJECT line/tittle of my post regarding the Notice Period and Termination, the system (Like MatchCASE) will discover the same and ask the member to go for search before posting or go for “Related Topic”. Which will also be the option located besides SUBMIT. We already having an option of “Related Topic” at the side bar which is a good and helpful option but still are not getting recognizes or can’t be used for new POST, therefore, this can be a good solution methinks
For sure, this will be a first step and many people will skip this confirmation step but still can be a really helpful option and atleast give a message to member/user to go for search once for the content before posting enable us to avoid duplicate/multiple discussions on a single topic.
With closing of my this response I would like to express my thanks again to all the members, Moderators and Administrator- CHR (Mr. Sid) for having this discussion to make our CiteHR BEST and professional place.
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Members never try to go “reSEARCH” ” option or at side bar of our Cite page for “Related Topics” even after reminding and asking them to use it or Google once, and the problem is still going on. Sometime they come with the excuses of being new member on the forum, which is a very immature statement, and becoming a problem. I do not understand how an educated person who is using computer and technology can deliver these kind of statements, as they are not so naïve and aware of these options and using many times in their daily life.
There is an option/solution I believe can help us in this case if can be developed.
“Before posting a query/question, there should be an Alert Message /Dialog box, which will ask the member to confirm whether the content been searched before submitting the same or not”
See the very important element of composing any message, which everyone (New/Old member) has to use before posting/submitting a query/message/question, is SUBJECT LINE, which can help us in this case alot.
For example : If I would like to ask a question or have a query about “Termination during notice period” which has used as SUBJECT line/tittle of my post regarding the Notice Period and Termination, the system (Like MatchCASE) will discover the same and ask the member to go for search before posting or go for “Related Topic”. Which will also be the option located besides SUBMIT. We already having an option of “Related Topic” at the side bar which is a good and helpful option but still are not getting recognizes or can’t be used for new POST, therefore, this can be a good solution methinks
For sure, this will be a first step and many people will skip this confirmation step but still can be a really helpful option and atleast give a message to member/user to go for search once for the content before posting enable us to avoid duplicate/multiple discussions on a single topic.
With closing of my this response I would like to express my thanks again to all the members, Moderators and Administrator- CHR (Mr. Sid) for having this discussion to make our CiteHR BEST and professional place.
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Hello Sid,
Reg your comment: ‘…….. need to understand how to identify these sector and encourage the users to mark their threads appropriately’--I don’t think this will be a one-time affair—it would, in all probability, be a continuous effort of adding sectors/sub-sectors for some time to come at least [once this exercise is started].
To begin with, one way could be to segregate @ the broad-level from the threads already in-vogue, like Information Technology, Engineering, Educational, Construction/Infrastructure, Law/Legal, etc.
What you mentioned reg "power of suggestion" is very true—after all human beings are the same all over. Only the add-ons vary from one region to another—depending on the education, social/cultural experiences, family guidance & such factors.
I have seen the very same ideas/principles used in warfare ages ago work in day-to-day activities—with only the scale, objective(s) & participants changing. If anyone is interested, he/she can read the following books: (1) ‘Strategies for Marketing’ by Gerald A. Michaelson & Steven W. Michaelson (2) ‘Sun Tzu for Success’ by Gerald A. Michaelson & Steven W. Michaelson (3) ‘The Art of Spiritual Warfare’ by Grant Schnarr—ALL OF THEM based on the base/primary concepts as complied in ‘The Art of War’ by Sun Tzu [2,300 yrs ago].
This is akin to the use of The Bhagavata Gita for guidance in multiple spheres of living—albeit on a far grander scale. To give a small peep into the logic/reasons of this timeless masterpiece, The Gita was expounded in the middle of a battle-field—NOT in some townhall or forest. If it were just a spiritual/philosophical erudition, what could have been HIS purpose of expounding it @ Kurukshetra? Noticing the hesitation of Arjuna to fight the battle [despite being the main pillar of the whole Pandava army] after seeing his kith & kin on the enemy-side, HIS intent THEN was to MOTIVATE Arjuna to fight—that certainly wasn’t the time or place for discourses in philosophy. And today, The Gita is more synonymous for philosophy than anything else.
I guess this is digressing from the main topic.
Frankly, I am NOT surprised by your comments ‘………..idea that I run this community is in itself strange………..’.
That’s what one would call 'fate' or from a scientific perspective, ‘serendipity’ I guess.
You are very right when you say ‘…….I am sure we will find exact concepts with which my brain got wired……………’. When we leave things to Nature [some may prefer to call it as ‘Leaving it to Him’], that would be the result—invariably enlightening, enriching & very often tough-to-believe.
My life too had a similar pattern--an Electrical engineer by qualification, by experience switched over from Electrical to Power plant Control & Instrumentation commissioning+operations+maintenance, then over to Computers Customer Support & yet again to Real-time Hardware Design [for defense/military] & see where I am now? All the skills I learnt during the different phases of my career were but the building blocks in terms of understanding human nature, issue/project management, etc—while I was passing thru all those phases, I very often wondered what was happening to my career without apparent connections, but looking back & connecting the dots, it does make a lot of sense—He was preparing me to handle people, their careers & the associated issues. And this wide & in-depth exposure in different fields has become a major asset in my current work as well--in a way, all that was preparatory for my present.
And I do believe that it's so for everyone--only if one cares to notice the subtle nuances & flow with the tide rather than against it.
While Indira does have a valid point in enrolling SMEs, I agree with your view-point—we need to work in such a way that THEY COME TO US, not the other way round, for the simple reason of what you mentioned. When we invite them, from their perspective, it would be ANOTHER WORK/ACTIVITY for them--so obviously they would prioritize from their perspective. If they were to get attracted to CiteHR, it would be THEIR call—but how we make this happen would be the key I guess [one reason for my earlier suggestion to incorporate backlinks in Technical Forums/Portals].
I agree with Dinesh Divekar’s remarks, although I think I would differ in the approach to tackle the issues/problems he mentioned. I think it’s WE who should handle them, rather than in-toto expecting the new members to follow the laid-out rules. Like the saying goes: What the other person does or doesn’t do IS NOT in our control. What’s in OUR CONTROL is OUR RESPONSE to it/them.
In general, human nature tends to take the easy path—age/experience/education/nationality being no bar to this part of human nature. When someone doesn’t want to put-in a minimum effort to see if a particular topic was discussed earlier or do a Google Search, the System ought to enforce it--if need be, in a tough/firm, but positive, manner.
To elaborate, taking the very valid issues Dinesh mentioned-- ‘quality of discussion’, ‘many members are lazy’, ‘………..what problems they faced while implementing that knowledge………’: rather than to expect new members to improve OR to expect senior members to correct every such posting, why not ‘automate’ the process [thru necessary changes in the software]? Whenever someone posts an issue/problem related to, let’s say, late-coming, he/she could be asked to FIRST check-out the relevant earlier postings related to the subject & display them on his/her screen—BEFORE he/she is even allowed to do the posting. Anil Arora's suggestion in this context would fit-in rightly I guess.
This would slowly, but surely, bring-in a sense of responsibility to those who do the postings.
However, looking at the quality of the postings in CiteHR from another perspective, I think the focus needs to be on ‘how to correct’ those who are posting inappropriately rather than ‘prevent’ them from participating in the Forum, for the simple reason that the role of seniors ought to be to guide/correct them rather than criticize/prevent participation by such HR professionals--the later part being reserved for the extreme step.
Rgds,
TS
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Reg your comment: ‘…….. need to understand how to identify these sector and encourage the users to mark their threads appropriately’--I don’t think this will be a one-time affair—it would, in all probability, be a continuous effort of adding sectors/sub-sectors for some time to come at least [once this exercise is started].
To begin with, one way could be to segregate @ the broad-level from the threads already in-vogue, like Information Technology, Engineering, Educational, Construction/Infrastructure, Law/Legal, etc.
What you mentioned reg "power of suggestion" is very true—after all human beings are the same all over. Only the add-ons vary from one region to another—depending on the education, social/cultural experiences, family guidance & such factors.
I have seen the very same ideas/principles used in warfare ages ago work in day-to-day activities—with only the scale, objective(s) & participants changing. If anyone is interested, he/she can read the following books: (1) ‘Strategies for Marketing’ by Gerald A. Michaelson & Steven W. Michaelson (2) ‘Sun Tzu for Success’ by Gerald A. Michaelson & Steven W. Michaelson (3) ‘The Art of Spiritual Warfare’ by Grant Schnarr—ALL OF THEM based on the base/primary concepts as complied in ‘The Art of War’ by Sun Tzu [2,300 yrs ago].
This is akin to the use of The Bhagavata Gita for guidance in multiple spheres of living—albeit on a far grander scale. To give a small peep into the logic/reasons of this timeless masterpiece, The Gita was expounded in the middle of a battle-field—NOT in some townhall or forest. If it were just a spiritual/philosophical erudition, what could have been HIS purpose of expounding it @ Kurukshetra? Noticing the hesitation of Arjuna to fight the battle [despite being the main pillar of the whole Pandava army] after seeing his kith & kin on the enemy-side, HIS intent THEN was to MOTIVATE Arjuna to fight—that certainly wasn’t the time or place for discourses in philosophy. And today, The Gita is more synonymous for philosophy than anything else.
I guess this is digressing from the main topic.
Frankly, I am NOT surprised by your comments ‘………..idea that I run this community is in itself strange………..’.
That’s what one would call 'fate' or from a scientific perspective, ‘serendipity’ I guess.
You are very right when you say ‘…….I am sure we will find exact concepts with which my brain got wired……………’. When we leave things to Nature [some may prefer to call it as ‘Leaving it to Him’], that would be the result—invariably enlightening, enriching & very often tough-to-believe.
My life too had a similar pattern--an Electrical engineer by qualification, by experience switched over from Electrical to Power plant Control & Instrumentation commissioning+operations+maintenance, then over to Computers Customer Support & yet again to Real-time Hardware Design [for defense/military] & see where I am now? All the skills I learnt during the different phases of my career were but the building blocks in terms of understanding human nature, issue/project management, etc—while I was passing thru all those phases, I very often wondered what was happening to my career without apparent connections, but looking back & connecting the dots, it does make a lot of sense—He was preparing me to handle people, their careers & the associated issues. And this wide & in-depth exposure in different fields has become a major asset in my current work as well--in a way, all that was preparatory for my present.
And I do believe that it's so for everyone--only if one cares to notice the subtle nuances & flow with the tide rather than against it.
While Indira does have a valid point in enrolling SMEs, I agree with your view-point—we need to work in such a way that THEY COME TO US, not the other way round, for the simple reason of what you mentioned. When we invite them, from their perspective, it would be ANOTHER WORK/ACTIVITY for them--so obviously they would prioritize from their perspective. If they were to get attracted to CiteHR, it would be THEIR call—but how we make this happen would be the key I guess [one reason for my earlier suggestion to incorporate backlinks in Technical Forums/Portals].
I agree with Dinesh Divekar’s remarks, although I think I would differ in the approach to tackle the issues/problems he mentioned. I think it’s WE who should handle them, rather than in-toto expecting the new members to follow the laid-out rules. Like the saying goes: What the other person does or doesn’t do IS NOT in our control. What’s in OUR CONTROL is OUR RESPONSE to it/them.
In general, human nature tends to take the easy path—age/experience/education/nationality being no bar to this part of human nature. When someone doesn’t want to put-in a minimum effort to see if a particular topic was discussed earlier or do a Google Search, the System ought to enforce it--if need be, in a tough/firm, but positive, manner.
To elaborate, taking the very valid issues Dinesh mentioned-- ‘quality of discussion’, ‘many members are lazy’, ‘………..what problems they faced while implementing that knowledge………’: rather than to expect new members to improve OR to expect senior members to correct every such posting, why not ‘automate’ the process [thru necessary changes in the software]? Whenever someone posts an issue/problem related to, let’s say, late-coming, he/she could be asked to FIRST check-out the relevant earlier postings related to the subject & display them on his/her screen—BEFORE he/she is even allowed to do the posting. Anil Arora's suggestion in this context would fit-in rightly I guess.
This would slowly, but surely, bring-in a sense of responsibility to those who do the postings.
However, looking at the quality of the postings in CiteHR from another perspective, I think the focus needs to be on ‘how to correct’ those who are posting inappropriately rather than ‘prevent’ them from participating in the Forum, for the simple reason that the role of seniors ought to be to guide/correct them rather than criticize/prevent participation by such HR professionals--the later part being reserved for the extreme step.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi Dinesh,
Thanks for your comments - it really helps when members clearly express their opinions and I would like to extend the discussion to take your views on my outlook towards this issue.
You are correct in saying that not many members are keen on the knowledge sharing aspects. Some time back I reviewed the linkedin Q&A section - the Q&A section itself seems mostly filled up with linkedin usage queries or with non-sensitive issues. LinkedIn Answers - Home | LinkedIn
One of our main USP's is that we allow anonymous screen names - which we hope will help users ask sensitive questions without being afraid of being identified. On the contrary your linkedin profile is somewhat a space where you build your ego - the number of connections etc. Naturally the people who participate in the Q&A there are inclined to fine tune their answers quite a bit. I know because when I participate in Quora where my name is displayed prominently - I make sure there are no spelling errors.
In that way linkedin and our space is very different - people will never like to mix the sensitive and the non-sensitive, because of which we are not very worried about linkedin Q&A as a competitor. Even if they someday allow anonymous questions - I personally won't be comfortable mixing that profile with my business contacts.
And then there is this issue of ego kicks - we try to provide none whatsoever. We do this mainly to encourage users to post for a reason and not just for those counts - as it gets addictive and a lot of useless posts surface as a result. It's also against my general outlook of how I see a community - I don't believe in a community where it's about numbers and ego kicks - I don't think it can be long lasting.
But this also creates an issue, without these metrics users need to get motivated, purely by their will to help others. We don't provide any stimulus to do this - and while I strongly believe this is how it should be - as points and credits eventually loose meaning but a connection with the "network's cause" won't dwindle easily.
But for the sake of recognition we will be adding something called the "Acclaim" - this will let senior users give acclaim to new members by posting real positive feedback on their posts. We will also create a profile page to organize each user's contributions.
I would love to get everyone's thoughts on this and would love to know your primary motivations for being here.
Hi Anil,
Thank you for your kind comments. This is not a testimonial for me but for the community itself - we need to recognize that. The reason why Cite.co is so useful is because of the people who have come together to form this community. I have always been a background aspect of this network and always intended it to be like that. Initially I was worried that a presence of a business leader may be important for a business site to grow but I realized later that a lack of it actually helps keep the focus on the cause - which is to grow together and help each other.
Yes, we are growing very rapidly - at about 2600 new members a day. I eventually hope to make myself redundant to this organization and let it grow organically giving the power of moderation and maintenance to the members who are most liked in the community. The process of automation will begin soon.
Thank you for sharing the story about your friend - I think it's very important that old users encourage the new users to share their experience, even if they do so anonymously. We are also trying to encourage business owners and service providers to share their expertise while promoting their businesses via signature links.
Regarding the jokes and poems in the Humor section - those threads are completely isolated and will eventually be moved to a new domain called citefun.com - it's in our development road map.
Hi Sateesh,
Yes, it's quite strange how we land up somewhere completely unexpected - and the same will happen again as we go into our future. I am a bit of an agnostic - while I respectfully do my duties in pujas - I am of the view that our god is a coalition of all our consciousness put together - but I guess any claim is only a theory. Like the popular story about the hundredth monkey - Hundredth monkey effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Strangely the same idea reflected in our about page when I wrote it - and this was before I came across this study.
Cite.Communities
I completely agree with your comment - we need to educate the users about how to use the network and what it is for. Since the beginning I never liked discouraging people when they put their post in the wrong forum or didn't use the search. These things become a barrier in their minds and stop them from involving in the community - which is the most important.
I think it'll help once we have given more control to the users - then they will be able to move, edit the threads to make them proper. The change will be made after we introduce the mentors program.
Regards,
Sid
From India, Gurgaon
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Thanks for your comments - it really helps when members clearly express their opinions and I would like to extend the discussion to take your views on my outlook towards this issue.
You are correct in saying that not many members are keen on the knowledge sharing aspects. Some time back I reviewed the linkedin Q&A section - the Q&A section itself seems mostly filled up with linkedin usage queries or with non-sensitive issues. LinkedIn Answers - Home | LinkedIn
One of our main USP's is that we allow anonymous screen names - which we hope will help users ask sensitive questions without being afraid of being identified. On the contrary your linkedin profile is somewhat a space where you build your ego - the number of connections etc. Naturally the people who participate in the Q&A there are inclined to fine tune their answers quite a bit. I know because when I participate in Quora where my name is displayed prominently - I make sure there are no spelling errors.
In that way linkedin and our space is very different - people will never like to mix the sensitive and the non-sensitive, because of which we are not very worried about linkedin Q&A as a competitor. Even if they someday allow anonymous questions - I personally won't be comfortable mixing that profile with my business contacts.
And then there is this issue of ego kicks - we try to provide none whatsoever. We do this mainly to encourage users to post for a reason and not just for those counts - as it gets addictive and a lot of useless posts surface as a result. It's also against my general outlook of how I see a community - I don't believe in a community where it's about numbers and ego kicks - I don't think it can be long lasting.
But this also creates an issue, without these metrics users need to get motivated, purely by their will to help others. We don't provide any stimulus to do this - and while I strongly believe this is how it should be - as points and credits eventually loose meaning but a connection with the "network's cause" won't dwindle easily.
But for the sake of recognition we will be adding something called the "Acclaim" - this will let senior users give acclaim to new members by posting real positive feedback on their posts. We will also create a profile page to organize each user's contributions.
I would love to get everyone's thoughts on this and would love to know your primary motivations for being here.
Hi Anil,
Thank you for your kind comments. This is not a testimonial for me but for the community itself - we need to recognize that. The reason why Cite.co is so useful is because of the people who have come together to form this community. I have always been a background aspect of this network and always intended it to be like that. Initially I was worried that a presence of a business leader may be important for a business site to grow but I realized later that a lack of it actually helps keep the focus on the cause - which is to grow together and help each other.
Yes, we are growing very rapidly - at about 2600 new members a day. I eventually hope to make myself redundant to this organization and let it grow organically giving the power of moderation and maintenance to the members who are most liked in the community. The process of automation will begin soon.
Thank you for sharing the story about your friend - I think it's very important that old users encourage the new users to share their experience, even if they do so anonymously. We are also trying to encourage business owners and service providers to share their expertise while promoting their businesses via signature links.
Regarding the jokes and poems in the Humor section - those threads are completely isolated and will eventually be moved to a new domain called citefun.com - it's in our development road map.
Hi Sateesh,
Yes, it's quite strange how we land up somewhere completely unexpected - and the same will happen again as we go into our future. I am a bit of an agnostic - while I respectfully do my duties in pujas - I am of the view that our god is a coalition of all our consciousness put together - but I guess any claim is only a theory. Like the popular story about the hundredth monkey - Hundredth monkey effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Strangely the same idea reflected in our about page when I wrote it - and this was before I came across this study.
Cite.Communities
I completely agree with your comment - we need to educate the users about how to use the network and what it is for. Since the beginning I never liked discouraging people when they put their post in the wrong forum or didn't use the search. These things become a barrier in their minds and stop them from involving in the community - which is the most important.
I think it'll help once we have given more control to the users - then they will be able to move, edit the threads to make them proper. The change will be made after we introduce the mentors program.
Regards,
Sid
From India, Gurgaon
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