Dipil
Safety Consultant
Raghuvaran Chakkaravarthy
Environmental, Health And Safety
Asudhir17
Agm Ehs And Project Management
Pon1965
Construction
+1 Other

Dear All
Now we are in the construction of structural shed for our material storage. Presently we started the Sheeting work onto the top of this particular shed. This shed is in slope of 17 Deg. The normal safety footwear (PU Sole) using by our workers is slipping and not able to use the same while working for fixing these sheets, hence workers prefer to work bare foot as this gives more grip...
I am attaching the picture of the shed and the sheets using for the purpose. Have a look and suggest any suitable footwear for this purpose is available in the market?
Can anyone suggest the Best Safe Method we can adopt for doing sheeting work for such sheds?
Can we use roof ladders here?
Thanks in advance...
28th April 2012 From India

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Dear Dipil,
In our previous project we had used converse and timberland shoes while working on roof but its quiet expense or you can purchase which meets the ASTM F-2412-2005, and ASTM F-2413-2005 which are incorporated by reference in OSHA § 1910.6;
I hope you can get slip resistance with steel toe shoes its only cost 1400 INR its pretty cheap compare to others international brands its meet all requirements also. I will give the contact numbers if you need it.
Hope its helps. . .
28th April 2012 From United States, Fpo
Dear Dipil, Take a look on the attached picture and revert back to me if it’s possible.
28th April 2012 From United States, Fpo

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Dear Raghu Thanks for your immediate response... Please give me the contact number and name of the party who is supplying the mentioned safety footwear in India?
28th April 2012 From India
Dear dipil,
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Just follow the link you will get the phone number and email of the vendor. I used to purchase some safety stuffs on 2007
or
Millennium Safety Gears
37/1,Cockburn Road, Shivajinagar,
Bangalore - 560051, India
Phones : +91 80 25555376 / 65689161
Fax : +91 80 41251383
All India Enquiries : 09243466678
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Technical Enquiries :

28th April 2012 From United States, Fpo
Dear Raghu Surely try with this party, I think I will get any response on Monday only... Will update you... Looking forward to get the replies from other members too...
28th April 2012 From India
I think safety shoes are not advisable over sheets as the shoes may damage the sheets if one walk over the sheets wearing safety shoes. Safety is not only related to workmen but also the properties. We used light weight shoes with proper lifelines while walking over sheets.
Pon
28th April 2012 From India, Lucknow
Dear Pon
Thanks for your participation into the thread...
Can you please let me know which type light weight shoes you were using... We tried normal sports shoes already, but it too not giving slip resistance...
29th April 2012 From India
Over sheets, all types of shoes may slip. Normal sports are Ok but lifelines/safet belts shall be ensured. Pon
29th April 2012 From India, Lucknow
Hello Dipil Kumar,

There are two issues that I have noticed from the picture: 1) Fall concerns due to slipper surface 2) Fall concerns due to height at which the work is being performed.

For slip, trip and fall - we use Ergomates, is steel toe shoe is not the requirement for the task in consideration. (They act both ways -antifatigue and anti slip) available from Northern safety. Since I am not able to attach a url here, if you cannot find it, please let me know. I can email the url to you. These can be worn on normal close toe shoe.

Second aspect is height safety - since the slope is more than 10 degrees, following needs to ensured- guardrails (including those on scaffolding) must have a top rail, mid-rail and a toe-board (bottom rails may be used in place of toe-boards if risks of falling objects can be controlled using rails) – or a top rail and an infill panel that serves the function of a mid-rail and toe-board. The top rail should be at least 900 mm above the point where a person could stand on the roof. For a slope greater than 10 degrees, this is measured at not less than 300 mm from the edge of the roof structure. Ensure this height is maintained when the guardrails are erected at the edge of a sloping roof.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Swati

Ergonomic Consultant
2nd May 2012 From United States, Palo Alto
Dear Swati
Thanks for participating in the thread...
I could locate the below link from your inputs:
Ergos Ergomates
The ergomate was really new to me, first of all thanks a lot for educating me... I think the northernsafety is from New York, whether this product is available in India? If you know any supplier in India do let me know... Surely will like to advice my management to go for trial basis for ergomate for this particular job...
Also thanks for your inputs on height safety aspects... Surely we will consider....
2nd May 2012 From India
Dear All
I have not get a solid solution to this practical issue...
Yesterday I tried the Natural Rubber Soled standard safety footwear for this purpose... But this also got failed in fulfilling the purpose... It was also slipping whereas I came to know among safety footwear, natural rubber soled footwear giving highest degree of slip resistance...
Can anyone come up with a solution....
3rd May 2012 From India
Dear Dipil,
As I mentioned earlier converse and Timberland shoes gives a high slip resistance while working on roofs. See the attached pictures for your view and use.
What I suggest prior to purchase Converse or Timberland shoe please request data sheet from manufacture and explained your issue’s it will help to vendor suggest a right shoe for you because it’s quite expanse each pair comes around 5000 to 6000 INR.
Do you remember you introduced one of our senior member who worked in shoe industry I think 6 months ago he given a good suggestion on safety shoe query’s on our thread (Sorry I forget his name and can’t find that thread as well) lets use him on this issue I hope he will help you or go with my suggestion.
Keep on update until you get solution.


3rd May 2012 From United States, Fpo

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Hello Dipil - I can give you the info. Please let me know your email address. Regards, Swati
3rd May 2012 From United States, Palo Alto
Dear Raghu
I have send quiries to few manufacturer of safety shoes whether they are having Converse or Timberland shoe or not...
Once get reply will update you...
The person you were mentioning was Dr. Sudhir Agarwal from Kanpur... He is parallely helping me... He send me Rubber Soled Safety Footwear to try... But that get fails for this particular job...
Now awaiting to try both, one what you suggested - Converse or Timberland Shoe and another one Swati suggested - Ergomate...
Lets hope to get a solid solution...

3rd May 2012 From India
Dear Dipil,
I am sorry I did not participate on this thread as it used to take too long to open the attachment.
Now as I opened it, I could understand your problem.
Please let me know what is the height of at the Tie level of the structure and what is the maximum height.
However as you know PPE is the last defence, you should focus on engineering controls.
I know one such fall arresting equipment.
It is manufactured by M/S latch ways, the Indian Dealer is M/s Vijaynath Interiors and Exteriors.
web link <link outdated-removed> ( Search On Cite | Search On Google )
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
3rd May 2012 From India, Nasik
Dear Sir

Thanks for your participation into the thread...

I know about the company and the Country Manager of M/s. Latchways one Mr. Rahul Bahti who is looking after the overall business in India from Latchways side... He has come to our plant through our corporate safety cell and had a site survey already... We are expecting his quotation to go ahead... The first opinion of mine is they are best but not cheap also... Safety becoming more expensive nowadays and the live example is entrance of international groups like latchways in India with their highly quality product...

The main issue is not with the fall arresting... We are using individual life lines with fall arrestor for working personal on top to prevent the fall.. Even though if we able to implement the Latways fall protection system in this particular job, still the foot protection will be a concern... Working on barefoot can cause foot injury due to the sharp edges of sheets, nut & bolts and due to hot surface of sheets...

So looking forward to get a particular solution to this case...

The maximum height of the shed is 35 meter...


3rd May 2012 From India
Dear Dipil,
We are also constructing a big structure of similar height.
In addition to EHS responsibility, I also look after engineering and civil projects. The designs are reviewed with Health and Safety point of view.
Usually the roof slope is one in ten. In your case the slope looks to be more. What is the specific reason for such slope.
(probably bee heaves problem was on the same structure. You said the bees sat on helmet of a workmen. Do you any photo of this case, as it is unique, it would help in trainings. We also had bee heave on one of the perlins which was removed by M/s Palve Pest Controls)
Coming back to the subject, you can try sports shoes for this specific purpose which are light weight and are anti skid type.
Pl let us know the results after you take suitable actions.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
3rd May 2012 From India, Nasik
Dear Sir

Regarding the slope of the structure, I am not sure, may be due to it's long span this comes... The shed is of 300 Meter Long, 96 meter span and in a slope of 17 degree... It is claimed to be India's largest coal shed by our project people... However will think upon the exact reason of high slope and will let you know... However now it's so happened and we can't think of reducing the slope or bring any change in its design at this stage...

We were earlier experience the honey bee problem in this particular shed erection work itself... But I don't have any photographs of the same... Regarding my earlier thread on honey bee issue (https://www.citehr.com/402667-issue-...oney-bees.html) you have suggested to contact M/s. Palve Pest Control... I have talk him over phone, taken his email id, send all the issue... Not get any help... In the reminding call he assured me that will tell me the name of the chemical which I can use and they can't provide services here to me as it's far away from them... In the same thread you can see one Capt Rajeshwar Singh also commented and suggested to go for asking help from Central Bee Research and Training Institute... Contacted them also over phone and mail, no inputs... Still this issue also not get resolved... However we not getting the problem with honeybee after removing the high visibility jacket by the workers on the top, hence for the mean time give up behind that thread... I don't know whether this is the factor which help us or not... However let's hope for the best and think of this will not happen in future... For removing fixed honey bees we are having local party, they come and remove the bee combs on chargeable basis... But this issue was something different and not get any solution...

Then regarding the sports shoes, we have already tried the same, not fulfilling the purpose... Today tried the Natural Rubber Soled Safety footwear also... It was shocking to hear the practical experience of the workers that Rubber Soled Safety Footwear slips more than that of PU Soled safety footwear.... Really its become a concern for us now...
3rd May 2012 From India
Dear Dipil,
I dont think I shall be able to suggest you any different idea as what ever I thjought is already tried by you.
Today I am not available for the full day, hence If I get time I shall log in in the evening.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
4th May 2012 From India, Nasik
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