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Thread Started by #sunita.ratna

Dear All,

I am working in a Software Company of North India as a HR, I am the only HR person here and reporting directly to the directors, we have small staff of 50 employees, and my problem is with my directors, they have taken total control over each & every activity, I am not authorized to take any decisions, not even small issue like permission for half day leave to the employee, scheduling of any interview ,even I am not allowed to take a print out of official letters , every time I require to email them and request for the printout ,also for monthly stationery stock we need to take permission from them , if our admin person books any ticket for official purpose then also they interfere , many times they directly make calls to the travel agents and due to this everybody is frustrated with them. Presently they only employ me to resolve their bills related problems and with technical staff to manage hardware stock. Usually they use very harsh and loud tone while discussions, many times they have insulted technical staff, Company policies are also very inequitable, as per company policy if we need Tea / Coffee, then we have to manage by our own, now we are facing the same problem with the drinking water. Now I am feeling so much frustrated, many times I have discussed employees problems and other general issues with them , but every time I got the same answer “ No need to get in to all this, I/We have more important work to do and I/we don’t have time to answer your stupid interview questions.”
I am frustrated, what should I do?:?:
Please suggest.
Thanks,
S. Ratna
20th April 2009 From India, Lucknow
Dear Sunita Ratna,

It is clear that you are in some kind of cheap lala-type organization where there is no respect for HR and all. It is very shocking to know that for taking single printout you have to take permission and also there are no employee recreation facilities. Well, you have get a very hard HR experience.

Don’t get frustrated look for some good organization other then Lala type organization but don’t left your current job till then you get new one.

Best Wishes,

Regards

Pankaj Chandan
20th April 2009 From India, New delhi
Dear Sunita, what Pankaj said it right, search the job in any good company.... it seems there is no career growth in your present job. All the best Dilshad
20th April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Ratna,
I can understand your emotional feelings;

You’re in Fight or Flight situation,

Does your director always behave in this way or because of rescission they are doing this?

Form How many days/years are u working there?
Regards,
Rsritha.

20th April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
simply its one man show ...why ????? coz person does'nt blv on anyone......even his wife also :p:p I guess..........
this organisation cant grow ever........otherwise yu hv to change ur director or left the company if getting any opportunity....simple and best way .........

20th April 2009 From India, Pune
Sunita,
I have a couple of questions before I respond to your initial situation.
1) Are there any employee issues, such as high employee turnover, absenteeism etc.?
2) Are there any directors that support HR and promote good leadership practices?
3) Who does the directors report to?
4) What are the goals and challenges for the business?
20th April 2009 From Canada, London
Sunita, I think it is normal practice in Small companies, where HR is kept for following the instruction of Directors. The best thing will be look for good job and say them bye bye. Regards, Om Prakash I am working in a Software Company of North India as a HR, I am the only HR person here and reporting directly to the directors, we have small staff of 50 employees, and my problem is with my directors, they have taken total control over each & every activity, I am not authorized to take any decisions, not even small issue like permission for half day leave to the employee, scheduling of any interview ,even I am not allowed to take a print out of official letters , every time I require to email them and request for the printout ,also for monthly stationery stock we need to take permission from them , if our admin person books any ticket for official purpose then also they interfere , many times they directly make calls to the travel agents and due to this everybody is frustrated with them. Presently they only employ me to resolve their bills related problems and with technical staff to manage hardware stock. Usually they use very harsh and loud tone while discussions, many times they have insulted technical staff, Company policies are also very inequitable, as per company policy if we need Tea / Coffee, then we have to manage by our own, now we are facing the same problem with the drinking water. Now I am feeling so much frustrated, many times I have discussed employees problems and other general issues with them , but every time I got the same answer “ No need to get in to all this, I/We have more important work to do and I/we don’t have time to answer your stupid interview questions.”
I am frustrated, what should I do?:?:
Please suggest.
Thanks,
S. Ratna[/quote]
20th April 2009 From India, Vadodara
This is typical lala type C2C(Chaprasi to CEO) company. Girl get out of there! When you leave do tell them the reason of it as well. Nayonika
20th April 2009 From India, Delhi
Hi Ratna,
Firstly, appreciate your patience enduring the situtation and in writing in to take suggestions.
Here are my thoughts (adding to what my other friends on this forum have said):
1. Is there a job description that outlines your role in the company?
2. Have you asked questions to ascertain the role you need to play? Being the HR person can mean anything - I know of an organisation with a HR professional who played the role of a legal/admin consultant and did nothing related to HR. Find out
3. What is the attrition rate? What for are the other employees sticking on (in case they are)?
4. Do you know what triggered off this behaviour on the part of the directors?

Other questions directed to you:
1. What is the learning you can take away from this situation?
2. What does this situation say about you? Reflect on your communication style and what shift in your communication you can bring about to achieve your goals. Flexibility in communication is usually the key to unlock such situations. Experiment, Learn, Enjoy.
3. Finally, the world is a big place, opportunties are plenty. If you feel you have made all the attempts, look for an alternative.

And like Pankaj says, get hold of an alternative and then move out.

Wish you goodies.

Regards, Vin
20th April 2009
Hi Sunita,
I totally agree with omprakash & chandan, Don't be stressed out & look out for change & say Adios & make your directors realise the importance of HR.
You will find these kind of cheap mentality Directors in some organization who is not aware about the in & out of integrity & ethics of the business.
Lady You need a change...!
Cheers & Good luck...!
20th April 2009 From India, Bangalore
Try to get rid of this type of organization where you do not have any authority. But do not leave the organization till you get the new job. Regards, Digpal
21st April 2009 From India, Gurgaon
Dear Ratna,
as everybody said that you need to change your organization, I feel that they are right from their point of view.
One more suggestion - By the time you change the job, do whatever your boss says. If instructions are wrong, he'll automaticaly fall back. :)
21st April 2009 From India, Vadodara
Sunita,
In some organizations we found this scenario. it is not totally the mistake of the management also they might have burnt their fingers earlier by delegating the authority or else they may be that kind of people. If all the directors are behaving like this there might be some major issue and it will be difficult for you to bring a chnage in the organization. You tried your level best to bring a cultural change in the organization and it seems that nothring is working hence it's better you change the organization otherwise you will be adopted to that culture and spoiling your career.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
21st April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Ratna,

I wonder what made them hire you. May I ask your responsibilities that they described before hiring you?

Anyways, its very clear that its an owner driven company. Change can take place but it should be thru a source that can convince the Directors.

I believe that at this point the business handled is quite less, so that they have time to involve themselves in other matters that are not related to their CORE activity

OR

The ability to Manage / or do business is lacking because may be it was a family run Organization. in such situations everyone involve in the matters ogf the business, and they feel that even the smallest thing must be under their control.

OR

They dont have a clear vision for the business, and teh directors are not clera of the respnsibility. They may be thinking of profits, but not profits to be gained...but they are thinking of internal profits :-)

What I could ask u again is...what was the role described to you when you were hired? May I know how many years of experience you possess? What was ur previous experience?

See if you'd have any chances of changing the mindset of the Sr. Management, quitting can be considered a second option. Is there a mentor who frequently discusses with the Directors?

Please understand that this experience will only be a leraning epx for you. Dont be disappointed. Wait for a while and see if the DIrectors are willing to even listen towhat you have got to say - like instead of saying directly that they are involved in checking stationery stock, or oher small things, tell them you will take charge of checking it and take care of administration (these are baby steps to see if they are willing to delegate from the least impt tasks..).

If nothing seems to be going ok, then pls look out for an opportunity with a company that can manage and foster ur creative thoughtss :-)
21st April 2009 From India, Madras
sunitha,
Don't get frustrated. well... i came to know that there is no importance for HR in your company. you will not find any career growth in this type of org. I think they are not much bothered about employees too. So look for a change in your job. And before leaving( after geting all the required documents in your hand) tell them the reason why r u leaving. And don't leave this job till u get an offer in ur hand.
Regards
Pallavi
21st April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Guess its time to look out another opportunity, instead saying to you directly they are playing this kind of cheap tricks. Time to updated your resume.....
21st April 2009
Hi ratna this is really a horrible situation ,so u can pls look out for some other good company n come out
21st April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Hi S. Ratna,
I can understand ur emotions as I have already faced excatly the same situation in my previous organisation. Dont get disheartened. Do search for a nice job after that u can leave this job. 2ndly,I wuld like to know how long r u working over there? Bcz as a HR person u must be knowing that stability is a basic criteria for a d next job change. May be if u leav ethis organisation after ur few months of joining then it may be difficult for u in d interview.
So in short i wuld like u suggest the following:-
1) If u r there for more that 6 months or so then look for a job change,
2) Even if u find the situation too frustrating then stay there, look for a nice job and then leave the present job.
BUT DO KEEP IN MIND THE AVAILABILITY OF JOB DUE TO RECESSSION.
All d best.
Jeeta
21st April 2009 From India, Mumbai
pankaj is absolutely correct,
basically such kind of companies are not worth to even exist which cannot respect the dignity of employees and able to manage them with honour.
This is gross violation of Human Rights and this is inhum treatment and very much uncivilised company with uncivilised owners. These people needs a HR manager like me who can tought lesson how to behave and respect other human beings.
These people think that once they employed someone they can treat his as slaves and these slaves has no dignity or self respect.
I kick many such employers in mylife with police complaints and filing complaints in Labour Commissioners through advising fired employees behind curtain I was fighting by giving advises to employees of my companies who has been victmised by such Lala Directors and they share there frustration with me in person and I used to enjoy their frustration because I was one who did all mischeaves to them.
Rashid
Rashid
21st April 2009 From Saudi Arabia
hi, was apalled to know the situation in your company! Howcome things have come to such a pass.You can give it a last try.Organise the really crunch issues which the employees want to convey to the directors.Put it down in writing and officially put it up to the Directors. U can do so in your capacity as HR head.If it does not work, its time to leave!A good company has set out drills and procedures and the powers and responsibilities of each person are clearly cut out.In such companies the HR has certain powers and tremendous responsibilities.Look for these indicators before taking the decision to join another company
21st April 2009 From India, Delhi

Hi Ratna,

I can understand your situation , Tell me one thing your responsibilities here … had they brief you abt this before hiring .


I know you are disappointed, and it can happen to anyone if you are doing something else …. And working like this environment…...


As far as company is concern every company has its own way of working, in your case this is unique way of working ……


Everyone gets a lesson here The Importance of profile. If profile is something else and you wanna do something else you really need to think.

And take the decision for you future.

Before joining any new company remember these lessons.

Do Well,

Regards,
Brijesh
21st April 2009 From India, Mumbai
Hi Sunita,
Don't u worry. This kinda environment seems tobe there in startup companies where the directors or senior management are the owners/Partners. They will start the company with minimum experience and, are not aware of expertise in different departments. Actually they are scared to give the opprtunity to their employees and certainly they lack growth plans.
Look for the new job. In the meanwhile try to learn new HR policies & procedures to understand best HR practices.
All the best:)
21st April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Ratna,
I can understand your problem and your furstation too.
In my openion you have to change the job as early as possible even if your remuneration is less than your present remuneration, where you can explore yourselef.
Sunil
21st April 2009 From India, Bangalore
Most of the technical people they don't know the value of HR, if they are owners cum directors you can't do any thing. Each and every person among us may be faced this type of situations. however You have to work very carefully and each and every thing which you suggest should be in the organisational deveopment or cost control point of view. Then they will here you. If you want to tell something about arrangement of drinking water you have to show them how it is causing for unauthorised absentism, attrition, how the best HR practices will attract the talent and retain the talent etc. find a Mgt graduate among them and discuss with him.
Meanwhile you are in very pathetic stage update your resume in jobsites and don't discuss it in the interview where you attend
21st April 2009 From India, Warangal
Hi Ratna,
I don’t find this situation is very strange. Many of us might have been/seen the same scenario when started our career as HR. Self awareness is something which will help you take the informed decision whether to quit the job or continue.
Just look at the scenario from different angle and think-is this something you only making them to behave in such manner with you? Likewise other staff members too. Very important for all the staffs that are having the problem with Directors that- changing the culture first needed to understand the culture, adapting, evaluate and then bring about the change which is vital for the success of the organization. You and other staff members need not to be frustrated and do not undervalue the Directors of the Company. Its all about Management style that they believe in and if you can take up the challenge to bring this systems in proper shape I think this is going to be the best learning place for you from HR prospective.

Best wishes,
Manasvi
21st April 2009 From India, Bangalore
Dear Sunita
The problem you face, will be faced by others also in small to medium sized companies. you have to fight for your rights or you have to quit. These peoples have no empathetic feelings towards the staffs, because of their business making mind.
Before quiting as a HR Professional, make them aware that it costs a lot in long term.
Regards
Karthikeyan.V
21st April 2009 From India, Bangalore
Hi.
Don't worry think positive, this is also a good experience to understand that some time first you have to think about company strength / environment/ reportling relationship then accept any offer or assignment
Try to come up with the situation, Ask to some good consultant to place you some other company.
Thanks
Vijay Kumar
21st April 2009 From India, Delhi
Dear All,

Thanks for your time and support.

Firstly, I would like to answer all your questions; it is a family run Organization, (owners = directors=CEO=MD=VP), I am working with this company since Jan 2008, at the time of my joining there was no HR person in the team, only directors are there, and my job responsibilities includes (as mentioned in JD):- Recruiting, Hiring, training, performance management, policy recommendation, salary & benefits, team building, employee relations, personnel and administration functions; etc .

At the time of my joining: - For recruitment process, they never bothered to provide me any project details, and expected for good hiring, I use to gather all the information from team leaders, for hiring process they think no need to discuss any thing from HR, they used to discuss/negotiate everything by their own ,for performance management – when ever I discuss about new joining performance report, they don’t have time to discuss any thing as fresher’s are not so important and about rest employees they claim to know them better then me , when ever I recommend any policy , they are not convinced ,
For salary and other benefits, they decide, and never bothered to inform me.

But after some dire experience with other employees they realize that one HR person is necessary for the company to perform as an advocate for both employer and the employee’s .I was so happy that at least they start value the HR and now I can prove my self and I was looking forward with healthier prospective. I was putting my best efforts for the company and employees, but they never encourage me, from the starting they don’t have any policy to celebrate any occasion , after my joining I talk to my directors about it , first they refuse to talk about it , but after a long discussion they had agree to celebrate project deployments , everybody was so happy with the celebrations except for our BOSS , after 4 days of party they instruct me not to conduct any party in the future , and if employees wants to celebrate then they can go outside the workplace and celebrate by their own. I really want to improve the working conditions for the employees, but failing to do so.

Now I am frustrated, I have struggled to improve the place, but again it is out of my control. I am confused and unhappy. I know one thing that they really need me in the organization, but to continue here, I have to act as they want. At the same time I am looking for new job options as well, but due to recession I am getting better options.

I know it’s easy to move on but difficult to stay and try for improvement, and since they had realized my worth in the past situation/s, I really want to try one more time, and for that I require guidance from my seniors , from all of you.

Please guide me and correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks & Regards,

S. Ratna
21st April 2009 From India, Lucknow
Dear Ratna, Plz keep patience and find out other job when you will get the job just kick this jobs Manish HR SAS
21st April 2009 From India, Faridabad
Hi Everbody,Tha same situation is with me also. I am the only person in HR and responsible for the entire HR activity. Our mobile phones are kept in the drawer, we cannot change our desk, I am not allowed to sit for interview panel etc.I am also trying to move out of it since last one year but unable to get a good opportunity. I am working as a Manager-HR, in Andheri (e), Mumbai and have 12 years of experience.I shall be grateful, if anybody can help me in this. My contact details are as under :azim.ansari@azatrius.com or CALL - 09967594946RegardsAnsari
21st April 2009 From Qatar, Doha
Dear S Ratna,
I appreciate your patience to survive in this co. till nw...Even i thnk dat dey hav nthng better 2 do dan 2 inturrupt HR activities...
This co. is nt at all employee centric n will not pay heed even if you try to reslove this situation...
So its better dat u find a nw place fr urslf asap....cz its nt da rite place fr sure....:(
Im sure dat u will be able to rock smwere else...Cheers...all da bst...
Manisha
21st April 2009 From India, New Delhi
Ms.Sunita,
In small companies this is the scenario generally coz the directors are the owners of the company.They follow dictatorship method. I would suggest you not to lose your enthusiasm and courage.Try for a better job.Pls dnt think that its recession time and no jobs in the market.Pls remove this notion frm ur mind.Coz in this tym also many companies are hiring ppl. I have expereinced almost the same things that u have.I was working as an executive there.I finally left that job and started looking for new opportunities and got a new job as a Manager. All these happened last month only when its still recession according to everyone.
And I would suggest you to leave the company with a smile rather than fighting with them. Because you never know you may in need of them in future.
I am suggesting you all these things because even I did the same. Always remember, Never behave in such a way that you seem to be in the fault. Be good to everyone(no matter its show- off).In corporate world, you have to show off that you are very good and nice.This is what I have learnt from my last company which was my first work experience.
21st April 2009 From India, Pune
Hi Sunita,
In my opinion and way of working, if you have any sort of expertise with you and the confidence then don't waste your time there. There is nothing that can be improved or changed.
Regards
Vikas Kumar
09968008206
21st April 2009 From India, New Delhi
Hi Suneeta,
What I think is due to the recession they are asking you to take all permissions.
As you have told that it is a small organisation they need to moniter everything.
Are you new to the org or you are old enough? Probably based on your exp the access is given.
Just wanted to know whether your director is satisfied with your work or he is not.
Regards,
Lipi
21st April 2009 From India, Madras
I think Sunita...You are only left with an opion to hop in for a job change only. Somehow, I am having the intution..that you directors are bothering you willingly..Not sure though...We have very sinior people available here hey might give you a better suggestion..
Since so far you have tolerated a lot. You can bear with them for some more time untill you get a nice job in your hand.
I know and understand though it really ecomes very difficult to work in an environment wherein you really need to seek in for a persmission for each and everything and cant decide on anything by your own.
But, you can try divert your mind in reading some HR policies, manuals and material etc.
Wish you luck,
Sapnna
21st April 2009 From India, Mumbai
Dear Ms RATNA,
I am also facing the same problem . In my company also same is teh case , and i think its worse as i have to take care of complete administration including taxation and other legal issues, central excise issues. etc.
So have patience untill you can , otherwise simply leave, by giving them a decent smile. I pray everything just get better very soon.
Thanks
aditya
09437537075/9238546338
HR CUM ADMIN MANAGER
FOR AABSYS IT PVTLTD
For BLOOCHIP INFOLINE PVT.LTD
21st April 2009 From India, Bhubaneswar
I would like to thanks, everyone.

Lipi , they are not behaving like this due to rescission, because all old employees of this company vouch that they are habitual to behave like this only, and with me they are not so rude but their insensitive behavior with other employees is causing negative environment in the company, everyone have problems with them and from last one year (since I have join this company as a HR) all employees show their anger to me, no one (employees) realize my position that how much I had tried to resolve the problems , all the time they used to disparage me . I really want to improve the work environment, and the employee – employer relations, but feeling so helpless.
To rise above, I have plan to prepare one list mentioning all the issue which I feel are necessary to discus for the betterment of the company and it’s employees and off-course for the employers (to save their reputation) and one more time I’ll try to discuss with them and if this time also they aim to overlook, then for sure I’ll resign.

If anyone have any suggestions please help me. I would be grateful.
Please also let me know if you feel that I am lacking somewhere.
Thanks & Regards,
S. Ratna
21st April 2009 From India, Lucknow
Dear Sunitha, Get rid of the job as soon as possible before it gets worst. So, carefully choose the organisation for tour next job. All the Best. Regards Krish...!
21st April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
i am also agree with all of our friend. This type of happening always exists in mostly small organisation. You can search job in another organisation but don’t take any decision in hurry.
21st April 2009 From India, New Delhi
Dear Sunita,
Its really a very pathatic situation,I am of the view that you should serch other appropriate opertunity.Self respect & Job Satisfaction both are most primitive employment elements,
Good Luck & All the Best,
Jayesh
21st April 2009 From India, Ahmadabad
Just dump that company otherwise your self esteem will be going down the drain. Do'nt take crap from anyone. Why do you want to negotiate ?
Do'nt get blackmailed into holding onto that job which will dimish your confidence and stature. Bindaas raho...learn to live and work confidently.
Jobs are always...if there is no job...create an opportunity rather than waiting for one.
21st April 2009 From India, Bangalore
Dear Rathna,
I feel pity and so sorry for you that unfortunately you have landed in a wrong place. May God save us all from this sort of BAD environ companies.
It is clear that there's nothing that you can do anything there. Forget about taking any initiative as an HR... if u've to send an email attachment requesting them for a printout, anybody can imagine the horrifble situation you are in!!!
With due respect to the high profile job of an HR, I am would strictly advise you not to think any more on this and simply come out of that stupid environment. Ofcourse, quitting these days would be a hard decision to take... but if you really wish to safeguard the self esteem of yourself as well as of HR profession, this is the only option you have.
Best of Luck for you in your next job.
Ibrahim.

22nd April 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Sunita,
Just keep quit, and take yoru salary because if your employer don't want of afford to improve he office administration then no one can help him. You did your job by reporting him the circumstances and defficulties the employees face.
Don't bother beyond one point because you are not responsible to his mismanagement and you should not be frustrated so long you enjoy salary.
Abraham.
22nd April 2009 From Saudi Arabia
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