Hi all, I want to ask: what if a company is asking for a failed mark sheet despite producing three years' mark sheets? They want that mark sheet along with the passed ones, whereas I don't have the failed ones. In the first place, why are they asking for failed mark sheets.
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Clarification on "Failed Mark Sheet" Requirement
What does it mean by "I do not have the failed ones"? Does that mean you have lost the mark sheet, or you have not failed (ATKT) in any of the semesters?
If you have not failed, then just respond that you have passed all semesters without ATKT and would provide all relevant passing mark sheets accordingly.
If you have lost the mark sheet, then you can obtain a duplicate one from the institute.
If you had ATKT in any semester, then they can easily identify it from the date on the mark sheet. Since they specifically ask for the failed mark sheet, they have shown a 'tolerance to accept' the fact that you were "allowed to keep term." There is nothing wrong with it. Also, I don't think there would be any specific agenda to rule you out based on this. They could have done it already if that was the intention. So, do not try to unnecessarily hide the failed mark sheet.
A new start with a company can only be based on mutual understanding and clarity. The company might be trying to evaluate you on your honesty with this request. Please provide the mark sheet if you have it.
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Amod Bobade.
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82What does it mean by "I do not have the failed ones"? Does that mean you have lost the mark sheet, or you have not failed (ATKT) in any of the semesters?
If you have not failed, then just respond that you have passed all semesters without ATKT and would provide all relevant passing mark sheets accordingly.
If you have lost the mark sheet, then you can obtain a duplicate one from the institute.
If you had ATKT in any semester, then they can easily identify it from the date on the mark sheet. Since they specifically ask for the failed mark sheet, they have shown a 'tolerance to accept' the fact that you were "allowed to keep term." There is nothing wrong with it. Also, I don't think there would be any specific agenda to rule you out based on this. They could have done it already if that was the intention. So, do not try to unnecessarily hide the failed mark sheet.
A new start with a company can only be based on mutual understanding and clarity. The company might be trying to evaluate you on your honesty with this request. Please provide the mark sheet if you have it.
Best Regards,
Amod Bobade.
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I do not have any failed mark sheets with me. It was long before in 2001 when I passed. I don't even remember if I have thrown those failed mark sheets away, or if they were taken back by my college while filling out the form for the new exam. I have already informed the company that I don't have any of them. They can check my passed mark sheet; it has the dates and seat numbers, which they can confirm with the board. It is not for me, but for them to show faith in me. As you know, nowadays verification is a very common criterion, so why would I hide anything with the authenticity of marks? What I feel is that any company needs information on whether the person has passed the degree he is claiming. Apart from this, why delve into something that is not their domain.
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This is further to what Amod Bobade suggested/mentioned. Frankly, your attitude vis-a-vis some of the aspects is surprising/worrying. Firstly, if you don't have some of the certificates, then you have to get them—for the simple reason that one never knows when any of your academic track records will be needed in life. Why should the company check with the university/board when, indirectly, you have shown your carelessness to them by your remark "I don't even remember if I have thrown those failed mark sheets or they were taken back by my college..."? You may not have passed this remark to the company during your interaction, but I am quite sure your body language would have conveyed almost the same message to the HR there too. Another reason why the company will not check regarding your documents: you are not the only candidate available to them. I am sure there would be many others desperate for this job. In such a scenario, why should they take this trouble? The background verification you refer to has different purposes and processes. Incidentally, no university/board takes back the mark sheet to the extent I know. You are putting the onus on the company when it's been your fault/carelessness. Coming to your view "nowadays verification is a very common criterion, so why would I hide anything with the authenticity of marks...," if you can recollect the incident of the Delhi Law Minister's case that's been in the recent news, you can get some idea of 'why' the company may be asking for your failed mark sheets. I suggest keeping all your academic documents in proper order, as this is a lifelong record. One never knows 'when' and 'why' one would need 'what' certificate at any point in life. If there are any missing ones, get duplicates ASAP. If you prefer to wait for some situation to crop up before applying for a duplicate, also please be ready to lose some opportunities... getting duplicate education certificates takes time. It's in your interest rather than the company's (this or any other in the future too). And 2001 is not that long time back.... All the best. Regards, TS
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Isn't This Demand Something New?
Isn't this demand something new? This is the first time I have come across someone asking for a failed mark sheet. You all should have scolded me if I had said, "Don't ask me for my passed mark sheet or degree certificate." But you are unnecessarily becoming serious about an unpassed academic year. Today it's a failed mark sheet; tomorrow, some other company will ask, "Why did your marriage fail?" or a number of other things. If you failed, why did you fail?
See, the query is simple: why not stick to mandatory requirements and not deal with things that are not required? For example, if the rule says home address, you can provide an Aadhar card or a landline bill. After providing a landline bill, if someone says, "Why didn't you provide an Aadhar card?" Do you get what I'm saying?
Talking about the Delhi minister, it was a simple case of forgery where he got a duplicate degree made, not about a failed mark sheet. I hope you are not working in the HR department, or else people will face unnecessary difficulties. Let me tell you, when a company provides me a job, they are offering a job and not buying my life. They are paying me a salary; not even the American embassy asks for a failed mark sheet.
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Isn't this demand something new? This is the first time I have come across someone asking for a failed mark sheet. You all should have scolded me if I had said, "Don't ask me for my passed mark sheet or degree certificate." But you are unnecessarily becoming serious about an unpassed academic year. Today it's a failed mark sheet; tomorrow, some other company will ask, "Why did your marriage fail?" or a number of other things. If you failed, why did you fail?
See, the query is simple: why not stick to mandatory requirements and not deal with things that are not required? For example, if the rule says home address, you can provide an Aadhar card or a landline bill. After providing a landline bill, if someone says, "Why didn't you provide an Aadhar card?" Do you get what I'm saying?
Talking about the Delhi minister, it was a simple case of forgery where he got a duplicate degree made, not about a failed mark sheet. I hope you are not working in the HR department, or else people will face unnecessary difficulties. Let me tell you, when a company provides me a job, they are offering a job and not buying my life. They are paying me a salary; not even the American embassy asks for a failed mark sheet.
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Dear Krishnaxyz, fake degrees and fake experience are common in our nation. Look at the Tomar case. (Being an AAP minister, his case is being hyped and used as a weapon, that is another thing.) Companies will want to check very carefully. If they have asked for failed mark sheets, it must be for a purpose, as the sequence of passing subjects-wise and year-wise can be linked. The point is, if the company wants it, you have a choice - either exit the company or tell them that they are asking for too much verification; that is the only way out. The company is your employer, and you have to play by their rules. Or, let me tell you bluntly - look for a more amenable employer who does not carry out total verifications.
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The company wants to verify that even though you failed, you have participated with your best efforts in the exams. A failed mark sheet is an indication of your attendance at the exam. It is also an indication of your sincerity to attend the curriculum, and that you were not banned or something from the university for that particular exam.
It is understandable that in frustration of failing an exam, or in the happiness of passing the next semester, you might have thrown away the failed mark sheet; but that mark sheet defines one year/semester in your educational life. Losing it would mean losing that semester officially from your life.
This might be the first time, but surely will not be the last time you will be asked for that mark sheet. Please try to obtain a duplicate from the university. The university-provided original mark sheet is your property and no college would ask you to submit it for any reason. They only ask for submission of the original if they are going to replace it with the reverification of marks. If there was a re-exam, then they do not take it back. Also, they could not deny if you ask for a duplicate of the same.
On another note, my sincere request to you is not to become hyper/cynical about this matter. Nobody would ask you for a failed marriage, as that is not the criteria for obtaining your job (unless you apply to work with a marriage bureau or a marriage counselor). Your employer hires your services based on your academics, and if they are interested in knowing about the missing semester results in your academics, then there is nothing wrong with that. As I said before, this is not a conspiracy to frame you like the Delhi minister example you have given.
Also, FYI, the American embassy is not the standard for Indian organizations to set their rules. For example, the American embassy asks for a birth certificate with the proper 'name' mentioned on it for work permit applications, while Indian organizations accept ones with just 'Boy/Girl' mentioned. These are different local rules. You cannot judge these organizations by comparing them like this.
If your anger is temporary, then it is okay, but if you continue this tone/attitude towards the suggestions, then I doubt anybody on this forum would be able to help you further. They will respond but may not be able to help.
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Amod Bobade.
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It is understandable that in frustration of failing an exam, or in the happiness of passing the next semester, you might have thrown away the failed mark sheet; but that mark sheet defines one year/semester in your educational life. Losing it would mean losing that semester officially from your life.
This might be the first time, but surely will not be the last time you will be asked for that mark sheet. Please try to obtain a duplicate from the university. The university-provided original mark sheet is your property and no college would ask you to submit it for any reason. They only ask for submission of the original if they are going to replace it with the reverification of marks. If there was a re-exam, then they do not take it back. Also, they could not deny if you ask for a duplicate of the same.
On another note, my sincere request to you is not to become hyper/cynical about this matter. Nobody would ask you for a failed marriage, as that is not the criteria for obtaining your job (unless you apply to work with a marriage bureau or a marriage counselor). Your employer hires your services based on your academics, and if they are interested in knowing about the missing semester results in your academics, then there is nothing wrong with that. As I said before, this is not a conspiracy to frame you like the Delhi minister example you have given.
Also, FYI, the American embassy is not the standard for Indian organizations to set their rules. For example, the American embassy asks for a birth certificate with the proper 'name' mentioned on it for work permit applications, while Indian organizations accept ones with just 'Boy/Girl' mentioned. These are different local rules. You cannot judge these organizations by comparing them like this.
If your anger is temporary, then it is okay, but if you continue this tone/attitude towards the suggestions, then I doubt anybody on this forum would be able to help you further. They will respond but may not be able to help.
Best Regards,
Amod Bobade.
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Also, if possible, I would like to request you to slow down while writing in the forum to focus on using proper grammar. It is very difficult to make out full sentences from your responses. We understand your emotions from these posts, but it is difficult to understand the facts properly.
Please don't blame us for being "too demanding" on this forum as well. :-)
Best Regards, Amod.
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Please don't blame us for being "too demanding" on this forum as well. :-)
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Dear Amod Bobade, you have given good advice. The poster should read the post on Emotional Intelligence. The way a person reacts when facing a situation is a part of emotional intelligence. The demand for a document may be justified from the company's point of view as per their thought process; the potential employee cannot question that in any way.
Quote by a Learned Person on Reactions
“We cannot control other people and their actions, but we can control how we act and react to them.” So, the poster should react by obtaining the failed mark sheets and submitting them to the company, or withdraw their candidature if they feel strongly about this demand for mark sheets.
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Quote by a Learned Person on Reactions
“We cannot control other people and their actions, but we can control how we act and react to them.” So, the poster should react by obtaining the failed mark sheets and submitting them to the company, or withdraw their candidature if they feel strongly about this demand for mark sheets.
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Simply tell them that you don’t have the failed marksheets as you lost them. Verification of the marksheets is their headache not yours.
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"Simply tell them that you don’t have the failed mark sheets as you lost them. Verification of the mark sheets is their headache, not yours."
Well, telling the company that you have LOST your failed mark sheets while keeping all other mark sheets safe is a sure recipe for trouble. Losing educational documents shows (from the company's point of view) negligence and carelessness, which may not be well-received by the potential employer. I feel that the original poster needs to calm down and produce the failed or passed mark sheets without making a fuss about it, or find another employer who does not ask for such documents.
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Well, telling the company that you have LOST your failed mark sheets while keeping all other mark sheets safe is a sure recipe for trouble. Losing educational documents shows (from the company's point of view) negligence and carelessness, which may not be well-received by the potential employer. I feel that the original poster needs to calm down and produce the failed or passed mark sheets without making a fuss about it, or find another employer who does not ask for such documents.
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Here's another related link from Economic Times of Sunday, 21 June 2015:
[Sitting on a fake CV time bomb: How India Inc is putting in checks to identify discrepancies in resumes - The Economic Times](http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/sitting-on-a-fake-cv-time-bomb-how-india-inc-is-putting-in-checks-to-identify-discrepancies-in-resumes/articleshow/47750013.cms)
Regards,
TS
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[Sitting on a fake CV time bomb: How India Inc is putting in checks to identify discrepancies in resumes - The Economic Times](http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/sitting-on-a-fake-cv-time-bomb-how-india-inc-is-putting-in-checks-to-identify-discrepancies-in-resumes/articleshow/47750013.cms)
Regards,
TS
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Presumption of Innocence in Employment Verification
Just because people are into fakes does not mean you can harass genuine candidates. If they are that concerned, they can ask the candidate to get their mark sheets verified or attested by the university. Even courts and tribunals in India do not ask for such strict evidence. Are companies on a higher standing than the courts in India?
There is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. They can be taken to court if their only basis of rejection is not supplying failed mark sheets. If they have any doubt about the veracity of the documents, they can get them notarized. Asking for failed mark sheets is very ridiculous.
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Just because people are into fakes does not mean you can harass genuine candidates. If they are that concerned, they can ask the candidate to get their mark sheets verified or attested by the university. Even courts and tribunals in India do not ask for such strict evidence. Are companies on a higher standing than the courts in India?
There is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. They can be taken to court if their only basis of rejection is not supplying failed mark sheets. If they have any doubt about the veracity of the documents, they can get them notarized. Asking for failed mark sheets is very ridiculous.
From India, Delhi
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