Hi everyone.
Hope you're all doing well.
I joined a company last month. It's been a month and a week since I joined there. The profile I have doesn't match my educational background. I wanted an analytics-based job profile, but I was offered an HR and Operations profile in this company. I knew from the beginning that this is not the profile I was looking for. However, having no other job at that time, I joined here, thinking that I might learn new things. I was supposed to learn about MIS and SAP, which I thought was good enough for the time being.
But the issue now is that the work I'm actually doing is far removed from HR Operations itself. I'm essentially doing the MD's secretary work, which I obviously don't want to do.
What should I do? Should I leave the job and wait for a job in my own profile in some other good company?
From India, Taramani
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Hope you're all doing well.
I joined a company last month. It's been a month and a week since I joined there. The profile I have doesn't match my educational background. I wanted an analytics-based job profile, but I was offered an HR and Operations profile in this company. I knew from the beginning that this is not the profile I was looking for. However, having no other job at that time, I joined here, thinking that I might learn new things. I was supposed to learn about MIS and SAP, which I thought was good enough for the time being.
But the issue now is that the work I'm actually doing is far removed from HR Operations itself. I'm essentially doing the MD's secretary work, which I obviously don't want to do.
What should I do? Should I leave the job and wait for a job in my own profile in some other good company?
From India, Taramani
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Hi Priya, Before answering your question, I want to know the size of your organization - Small, medium or big?
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Hi,
The company I'm presently working in is not an MNC, but definitely not a small one. It has been almost 30 years since it started and has around 160 branches in India. It's a logistics firm.
From India, Taramani
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The company I'm presently working in is not an MNC, but definitely not a small one. It has been almost 30 years since it started and has around 160 branches in India. It's a logistics firm.
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You need to decide whether to cut your losses and move on or stay there, gain some experience, and keep looking for the opportunity that you are after. Are you a fresher?
Some of us do not even know what we want in life. I know of people who studied law, got attached to a law firm, quit the profession, and are now working in a supermarket chain in customer relations. I know medical doctors who have quit practicing and joined as medical representatives selling medicines. I also know engineers who studied MBA and are teaching management subjects.
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Some of us do not even know what we want in life. I know of people who studied law, got attached to a law firm, quit the profession, and are now working in a supermarket chain in customer relations. I know medical doctors who have quit practicing and joined as medical representatives selling medicines. I also know engineers who studied MBA and are teaching management subjects.
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Dear Nashbramhall Ji,
Thank you for your reply.
I even thought the same, that I would get to learn something and gain some good experience as it was anyway better than being at home and waiting for the job I'm looking for.
But this is the problem, I'm not learning anything new.
It's just maintaining the diary of the MD, keeping his appointments fixed, tracking the emails he receives, and discussing with him.
It's been around 40 days since I joined, and nobody here is keen to teach me anything even when I express my interest in learning.
It feels like I'm not even working on the profile I was offered. Starting that work would require more time here. It would be beneficial for me to learn something only if I were to stay here long-term. However, I don't want to work in this profile as I aim to build my career in Analytics.
I'm just confused about whether I should leave this job since I'm not gaining any relevant experience here that would count in a different company for an Analytics job profile.
Or should I continue here as I don't have another job lined up, but I am actively searching for one. However, I'm struggling to find enough time to prepare for another profile as the working days here are from Monday to Saturday.
From India, Taramani
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Thank you for your reply.
I even thought the same, that I would get to learn something and gain some good experience as it was anyway better than being at home and waiting for the job I'm looking for.
But this is the problem, I'm not learning anything new.
It's just maintaining the diary of the MD, keeping his appointments fixed, tracking the emails he receives, and discussing with him.
It's been around 40 days since I joined, and nobody here is keen to teach me anything even when I express my interest in learning.
It feels like I'm not even working on the profile I was offered. Starting that work would require more time here. It would be beneficial for me to learn something only if I were to stay here long-term. However, I don't want to work in this profile as I aim to build my career in Analytics.
I'm just confused about whether I should leave this job since I'm not gaining any relevant experience here that would count in a different company for an Analytics job profile.
Or should I continue here as I don't have another job lined up, but I am actively searching for one. However, I'm struggling to find enough time to prepare for another profile as the working days here are from Monday to Saturday.
From India, Taramani
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Yes, I’m a fresher. I completed my Post Graduation in July 2013 only.
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Dear Priya,
Thank you very much for the quick response. You have taken up a job that came along, as you did not want to sit at home. That's a plus. However, it seems you have not been told that it can take 6 months to find the right job.
Have you discussed with the MD? One of the advantages of working as a Secretary for the MD is making contacts and getting to know people. I have firmly believed that a qualified person can even work as a cleaner and still gain experience, if she can start reflecting on how that work is important for the success of the firm. I can give an example, but I won't. I would rather you to think and answer that question.
I recently read an item on Rediff.com about how a school dropout became a CEO of his own firm. He started off as an Office Boy, moved on to become a typist, and then a programmer, by grabbing opportunities that came his way. It needs luck too. But only one month is too short a period.
Wish you all the best in whatever you decide. I suggest that you pour your heart out to your MD.
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Thank you very much for the quick response. You have taken up a job that came along, as you did not want to sit at home. That's a plus. However, it seems you have not been told that it can take 6 months to find the right job.
Have you discussed with the MD? One of the advantages of working as a Secretary for the MD is making contacts and getting to know people. I have firmly believed that a qualified person can even work as a cleaner and still gain experience, if she can start reflecting on how that work is important for the success of the firm. I can give an example, but I won't. I would rather you to think and answer that question.
I recently read an item on Rediff.com about how a school dropout became a CEO of his own firm. He started off as an Office Boy, moved on to become a typist, and then a programmer, by grabbing opportunities that came his way. It needs luck too. But only one month is too short a period.
Wish you all the best in whatever you decide. I suggest that you pour your heart out to your MD.
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Hello Priya,
To add further to what Simhan mentioned/suggested, there are a few points in your favor.
1. You are a fresher - so no hang-ups (that come about with some little experience - basic human psychology) or ego issues (at your level, it's easier to ask and learn). It's up to you to choose what you want to be.
2. Like Simhan pointed out, you can utilize your proximity to the MD. Play on your qualifications and interest. However, please don't, repeat don't, give an impression that you want to move to HR to avoid his/this work. After all, the company must have placed you in the position you are in due to some reasons (could be a lack of the right-fit person(s) or anything else). So don't question their wisdom, at least for now. For all you know, you might be given additional charge of HR. Given what you mentioned, you may not be very busy. If yes, harp on this factor - that you want to be busy all the while (this will also help you in your learning process).
3. You haven't mentioned your qualifications - post-graduate can mean anything. If you are an MBA, then there's another career path that can come up: Executive Assistant. This role needs a high-level qualification plus the ability to think out-of-the-box. And to top it off, the ability/comfort level to interact with senior management (both in and out of the company). This is one role that's a mix of many paths, including HR. Usually, only senior persons are assigned such roles. Just give this a thought.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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To add further to what Simhan mentioned/suggested, there are a few points in your favor.
1. You are a fresher - so no hang-ups (that come about with some little experience - basic human psychology) or ego issues (at your level, it's easier to ask and learn). It's up to you to choose what you want to be.
2. Like Simhan pointed out, you can utilize your proximity to the MD. Play on your qualifications and interest. However, please don't, repeat don't, give an impression that you want to move to HR to avoid his/this work. After all, the company must have placed you in the position you are in due to some reasons (could be a lack of the right-fit person(s) or anything else). So don't question their wisdom, at least for now. For all you know, you might be given additional charge of HR. Given what you mentioned, you may not be very busy. If yes, harp on this factor - that you want to be busy all the while (this will also help you in your learning process).
3. You haven't mentioned your qualifications - post-graduate can mean anything. If you are an MBA, then there's another career path that can come up: Executive Assistant. This role needs a high-level qualification plus the ability to think out-of-the-box. And to top it off, the ability/comfort level to interact with senior management (both in and out of the company). This is one role that's a mix of many paths, including HR. Usually, only senior persons are assigned such roles. Just give this a thought.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
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Hi,
Thank you for your valuable advice. I appreciate the responses given by you. I've completed post-graduation in M.Sc. Operational Research from Delhi University (Hindu College). Yes, only a month's time is not enough to make clear judgments; that's where I stay confused. I want to consider every possible side so that I do not regret the decision later on. Thanks for the advice.
Best Regards,
Priya
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Thank you for your valuable advice. I appreciate the responses given by you. I've completed post-graduation in M.Sc. Operational Research from Delhi University (Hindu College). Yes, only a month's time is not enough to make clear judgments; that's where I stay confused. I want to consider every possible side so that I do not regret the decision later on. Thanks for the advice.
Best Regards,
Priya
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Dear Priya,
I've been through this thread, and it took me quite a few threads until I got to know what you actually are, and so this response.
I'm sure you would know this; else, take it as a learning, for who knows there might be someone else in this vast community who might benefit from this.
Operations Research is actually a unique and diverse domain, as it refers to the science of decision-making. Be it Public or Private, all companies deal with operations. Careful planning and analysis help to manage any service efficiently, and this is where an OR expert has to play the lead role.
It is a very promising career, and the employment rate is expected to grow much faster. OR analysts help organizations and companies effectively manage materials, money, equipment, time, and people. They are hugely in demand in all sectors. Operations and research analysts are top-level employees as they are the masterminds who lead the advancements in many fields and contribute hugely to the growth of the company.
Operation Research (OR) passouts hold jobs in Decision Support/Business Analytics/Marketing Analysis/Logistics planning. Some with a considerable amount of experience may go on to become independent consultants, while others move on to become chief operating officers in corporate management.
It makes the best use of qualities of professionals dealing in OR, i.e., process modeling, analysis of options, and business analytics acumen. OR involves applying advanced technical skills and mathematical modeling methods to improve decision-making. Students with a mathematical or scientific background, who wish to pursue a career in business, are best suited and preferred for this career. It is also known as Management Science or Industrial Engineering.
People who deal in Operations Research have a key role to play in developing new ideas of Simulations, Understanding of Business, Networking, Optimization, Forecasting, Problem-structuring, Scheduling, Marketing, Defense, Dynamic, linear, or Non-linear Programming, Probability, and Statistics. It is expected of the people involved in Operations research to come up with extensive plans, procedures, and standards which may be of practical importance and which may help the possible future developments in the business.
Skill Sets most people seek are strong interpersonal skills, good written and oral communication skills, and the ability to think logically are some of the basic skills needed to do well in Operation Research.
Programming skills are an added advantage. Knowledge of software tools, experience in technological advances, or any involvement in analytical study gives an extra edge to go for it. The candidate must also be detail-oriented.
Having said this I would impress upon you to go about your next job search rather strategically, by that I mean look for companies that can use your education and induct you. For that you need to look at those companies' business and propose as to the areas you feel you can add value. Even as a newcomer, there are areas in which you can make your contributions.
Let me share with you all one from my own experience of this.
It dates back to the year 2003, I got a letter from the HOD of the CS Dept of the University of Shillong, recommending one young boy for a 6-month compulsory project one has to do to earn an MCA degree. He introduced the young man in his letter and added that he is one of the brightest sparks he has met in his teaching career of 25 years. Seeing the letter I kept thinking for a couple of days, whether this was "salesmanship" or a "genuine" praise. Anyway after a discussion with my senior colleague, we decided to take the boy for the project. I conveyed this and on a fixed day the boy arrived in Secunderabad. He called me as soon as he got down off the train and told me the place from where he is calling. He asked me for the directions, and was in our workplace with bag in 40 minutes after that. I received him and asked him if he as come to this place Hyderabad before. The young man told me he has come down the hills for the first time in his life. He, in fact, told me eh also got into the train for the first time. Amazing it sounded but it was true. We helped him settle down and arranged that he gets accommodated with one of our younger colleagues who also welcomed this arrangement.
Diligent as he was this young man started off on his project and his curiosity enabled him to pick up things needed to enable his project to move smoothly. It so happened that the company had taken a technical decision to move some parts of our project to the Linux environment. The kit was sent to us from our principals with all instructions. Our network administrator tried his best but couldn't, so two seniors were asked to help. They did the best they could too, but didn't succeed.
This young man saw the crowd around the machines and a discussion in the local language (he could speak English and Assamese, understand Hindi to an extent), which most people do. He asked me what it was about. I went around and found out what the challenge exactly was. It was the inability to install the Linux operating system. I told this young man about it.
He replied back, "I can do it, Sir!" Surprised as I was, I asked him if he will, to which he replied in the positive. I appraised my senior colleague about this, who gave a sarcastic smile and said, "Do you really think he can?"
I said, "I think he can, and I feel he should be given a chance, after all, it'll be just a little time we lose nothing more." The young man was assigned the job, which he went about with the precision of an experienced surgeon and within an hour the Linux was installed, ready for use. It was an amazing moment; everyone applauded the young man.
His status from then on had changed drastically, from just a student for a project to a mini technical expert. He was immediately considered for a job with a higher than normal start, even though he was in the mid-way of his project. The young man was more than happy; he completed his project, went back to the hills of Assam to submit his project and return back to take our offer. Thus began his career with us. He worked for four years after which the situation changed drastically, and the young man had to go back to Assam. The last I heard was he also went on to complete a Ph.D., and later moved back to work somewhere in Bangalore. Since my contact details changed several times in this period, I've not got a chance to reconnect with him again, but who knows I might someday if it is destined.
The narrative, therefore, was to tell you that you can add value if you are sure of your skills and competence. That's what you might have to work on selling to change over and to make a career.
Best wishes.
From India, Hyderabad
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I've been through this thread, and it took me quite a few threads until I got to know what you actually are, and so this response.
I'm sure you would know this; else, take it as a learning, for who knows there might be someone else in this vast community who might benefit from this.
Operations Research is actually a unique and diverse domain, as it refers to the science of decision-making. Be it Public or Private, all companies deal with operations. Careful planning and analysis help to manage any service efficiently, and this is where an OR expert has to play the lead role.
It is a very promising career, and the employment rate is expected to grow much faster. OR analysts help organizations and companies effectively manage materials, money, equipment, time, and people. They are hugely in demand in all sectors. Operations and research analysts are top-level employees as they are the masterminds who lead the advancements in many fields and contribute hugely to the growth of the company.
Operation Research (OR) passouts hold jobs in Decision Support/Business Analytics/Marketing Analysis/Logistics planning. Some with a considerable amount of experience may go on to become independent consultants, while others move on to become chief operating officers in corporate management.
It makes the best use of qualities of professionals dealing in OR, i.e., process modeling, analysis of options, and business analytics acumen. OR involves applying advanced technical skills and mathematical modeling methods to improve decision-making. Students with a mathematical or scientific background, who wish to pursue a career in business, are best suited and preferred for this career. It is also known as Management Science or Industrial Engineering.
People who deal in Operations Research have a key role to play in developing new ideas of Simulations, Understanding of Business, Networking, Optimization, Forecasting, Problem-structuring, Scheduling, Marketing, Defense, Dynamic, linear, or Non-linear Programming, Probability, and Statistics. It is expected of the people involved in Operations research to come up with extensive plans, procedures, and standards which may be of practical importance and which may help the possible future developments in the business.
Skill Sets most people seek are strong interpersonal skills, good written and oral communication skills, and the ability to think logically are some of the basic skills needed to do well in Operation Research.
Programming skills are an added advantage. Knowledge of software tools, experience in technological advances, or any involvement in analytical study gives an extra edge to go for it. The candidate must also be detail-oriented.
Having said this I would impress upon you to go about your next job search rather strategically, by that I mean look for companies that can use your education and induct you. For that you need to look at those companies' business and propose as to the areas you feel you can add value. Even as a newcomer, there are areas in which you can make your contributions.
Let me share with you all one from my own experience of this.
It dates back to the year 2003, I got a letter from the HOD of the CS Dept of the University of Shillong, recommending one young boy for a 6-month compulsory project one has to do to earn an MCA degree. He introduced the young man in his letter and added that he is one of the brightest sparks he has met in his teaching career of 25 years. Seeing the letter I kept thinking for a couple of days, whether this was "salesmanship" or a "genuine" praise. Anyway after a discussion with my senior colleague, we decided to take the boy for the project. I conveyed this and on a fixed day the boy arrived in Secunderabad. He called me as soon as he got down off the train and told me the place from where he is calling. He asked me for the directions, and was in our workplace with bag in 40 minutes after that. I received him and asked him if he as come to this place Hyderabad before. The young man told me he has come down the hills for the first time in his life. He, in fact, told me eh also got into the train for the first time. Amazing it sounded but it was true. We helped him settle down and arranged that he gets accommodated with one of our younger colleagues who also welcomed this arrangement.
Diligent as he was this young man started off on his project and his curiosity enabled him to pick up things needed to enable his project to move smoothly. It so happened that the company had taken a technical decision to move some parts of our project to the Linux environment. The kit was sent to us from our principals with all instructions. Our network administrator tried his best but couldn't, so two seniors were asked to help. They did the best they could too, but didn't succeed.
This young man saw the crowd around the machines and a discussion in the local language (he could speak English and Assamese, understand Hindi to an extent), which most people do. He asked me what it was about. I went around and found out what the challenge exactly was. It was the inability to install the Linux operating system. I told this young man about it.
He replied back, "I can do it, Sir!" Surprised as I was, I asked him if he will, to which he replied in the positive. I appraised my senior colleague about this, who gave a sarcastic smile and said, "Do you really think he can?"
I said, "I think he can, and I feel he should be given a chance, after all, it'll be just a little time we lose nothing more." The young man was assigned the job, which he went about with the precision of an experienced surgeon and within an hour the Linux was installed, ready for use. It was an amazing moment; everyone applauded the young man.
His status from then on had changed drastically, from just a student for a project to a mini technical expert. He was immediately considered for a job with a higher than normal start, even though he was in the mid-way of his project. The young man was more than happy; he completed his project, went back to the hills of Assam to submit his project and return back to take our offer. Thus began his career with us. He worked for four years after which the situation changed drastically, and the young man had to go back to Assam. The last I heard was he also went on to complete a Ph.D., and later moved back to work somewhere in Bangalore. Since my contact details changed several times in this period, I've not got a chance to reconnect with him again, but who knows I might someday if it is destined.
The narrative, therefore, was to tell you that you can add value if you are sure of your skills and competence. That's what you might have to work on selling to change over and to make a career.
Best wishes.
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi, if I were you, I would look elsewhere. You will not be productive as long as you are not satisfied with what you are currently doing. Very soon, it will show in your performance, and you may be fired before you know it. Quit now.
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Dear Priya,
You have not given enough information about the operation of the firm. When you say it is a Logistics firm with 160 branches, please tell us some more about what it is that the transport and who their customers are, etc. Kindly read articles at https://flora.insead.edu/fichiersti_...00/2000-33.pdf and TNT Express Reaps the Benefits of Operations Research - Logistics Viewpoints :: Logistics Viewpoints: A Blog for Logistics, Supply Chain, and 3PL Executives and see if the ideas in any way benefit your firm.
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You have not given enough information about the operation of the firm. When you say it is a Logistics firm with 160 branches, please tell us some more about what it is that the transport and who their customers are, etc. Kindly read articles at https://flora.insead.edu/fichiersti_...00/2000-33.pdf and TNT Express Reaps the Benefits of Operations Research - Logistics Viewpoints :: Logistics Viewpoints: A Blog for Logistics, Supply Chain, and 3PL Executives and see if the ideas in any way benefit your firm.
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