Dear Forum Members,
Wishing you a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
My friend has 10 years of experience in HR and currently holds the position of Senior Manager HR in a Manufacturing Industry. He spent 6 years at company A before moving to company B for career advancement. After 18 months at company B, his operation was relocated to a distant location 2500 km away, making it impossible for him to continue with the company. Subsequently, he joined company C, accepting an offer with compensation lower than the market rate due to his circumstances. Despite his performance over 8 months, the management was unable to offer him a raise, as this company typically only provides fixed increments. He recently received an offer from company D with a 100% increase in CTC, and he has been working there for 3 months. However, due to his spouse's employment situation, he urgently needs to relocate. Will the HR and top management of reputable companies consider his candidacy for employment given his circumstances?
Members are invited to share their views and offer advice to assist him.
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
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2Wishing you a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
My friend has 10 years of experience in HR and currently holds the position of Senior Manager HR in a Manufacturing Industry. He spent 6 years at company A before moving to company B for career advancement. After 18 months at company B, his operation was relocated to a distant location 2500 km away, making it impossible for him to continue with the company. Subsequently, he joined company C, accepting an offer with compensation lower than the market rate due to his circumstances. Despite his performance over 8 months, the management was unable to offer him a raise, as this company typically only provides fixed increments. He recently received an offer from company D with a 100% increase in CTC, and he has been working there for 3 months. However, due to his spouse's employment situation, he urgently needs to relocate. Will the HR and top management of reputable companies consider his candidacy for employment given his circumstances?
Members are invited to share their views and offer advice to assist him.
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
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Dear Vandana,
I don't think that changing jobs so frequently is a risk if the leaving period is more than a year or even more than six months. In my view, if you jump, you get better growth opportunities in terms of maximum exposure or in terms of maximum growth in monetary terms.
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Vandana
Sr. HR Manager
Mumbai
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I don't think that changing jobs so frequently is a risk if the leaving period is more than a year or even more than six months. In my view, if you jump, you get better growth opportunities in terms of maximum exposure or in terms of maximum growth in monetary terms.
Regards,
Vandana
Sr. HR Manager
Mumbai
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Dear Antony,
In my opinion, the basic concern of any HR is to hire an employee who will stick to the company for at least 3 years minimum. This being the case, shifting companies, especially in such a short span, will only give the impression to the HR of the companies that the individual is a "butterfly."
All the very best, Ram Ram
From India, Madras
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In my opinion, the basic concern of any HR is to hire an employee who will stick to the company for at least 3 years minimum. This being the case, shifting companies, especially in such a short span, will only give the impression to the HR of the companies that the individual is a "butterfly."
All the very best, Ram Ram
From India, Madras
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Hi Antony,
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
In my opinion, if the candidate has a valid reason for his relocation, then his candidature would be considered. The organization would see that the person or the candidate is shifting for a valid reason and nothing else. Also, his current employment would substantiate his credibility, and there would be no point in leaving the previous employer. So, I hope it would not be a problem, especially for a person with this much experience.
All the best!!!
Regards, Elamurugu
From India, Madras
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HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
In my opinion, if the candidate has a valid reason for his relocation, then his candidature would be considered. The organization would see that the person or the candidate is shifting for a valid reason and nothing else. Also, his current employment would substantiate his credibility, and there would be no point in leaving the previous employer. So, I hope it would not be a problem, especially for a person with this much experience.
All the best!!!
Regards, Elamurugu
From India, Madras
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He has no problems up to his 2nd job. 18 months is not too bad. But the other 2 are a bit of a problem. Why did he take the job if he knew that his wife's employment would be an issue? In any case, unless the work is very bad or he is on the verge of an emotional breakdown, I recommend he should stay with the new company for longer. But since I know his reasons are valid, it may be considered.
I myself had a similar issue some time back, and I have taken up a much lower-paying job because my earlier organization did not suit me. But now I plan to stick around here - salary and all - for some time. What if the new company he joins cheats him or is unethical, or worse does not follow laws and your friend has to go to jail for non-compliance of PF. Please tell him life can be worse (subject to it not being already worse).
All this is subject to peace of mind. If the stress is really bad, he should come up with a strong case that is not too critical of his earlier employers and keep trying. He will succeed.
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I myself had a similar issue some time back, and I have taken up a much lower-paying job because my earlier organization did not suit me. But now I plan to stick around here - salary and all - for some time. What if the new company he joins cheats him or is unethical, or worse does not follow laws and your friend has to go to jail for non-compliance of PF. Please tell him life can be worse (subject to it not being already worse).
All this is subject to peace of mind. If the stress is really bad, he should come up with a strong case that is not too critical of his earlier employers and keep trying. He will succeed.
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Sometimes 'tenure' seems to become an overrated concept - especially in HR circles. Not that it is insignificant, but it does not stand in isolation.
Okay, recruitment, training, and other costs kind of make it seem justifiable, but then within limits, doesn't the value the employee adds to the organization during the period seem a far better measure? In an ideal world, it would be great value and long tenure, but is that the former the next best option?
Three months in an organization for a Senior Manager without much debate does not give a good first impression. But when put into the right context and with enough room for explaining the circumstance, I guess people would understand.
Ancy
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Okay, recruitment, training, and other costs kind of make it seem justifiable, but then within limits, doesn't the value the employee adds to the organization during the period seem a far better measure? In an ideal world, it would be great value and long tenure, but is that the former the next best option?
Three months in an organization for a Senior Manager without much debate does not give a good first impression. But when put into the right context and with enough room for explaining the circumstance, I guess people would understand.
Ancy
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Dear Mr. Anthony,
A very happy New Year to you and your family.
I have personally observed that individuals who frequently change jobs are sometimes given preference due to the broad range of experience they bring. This trend has become more widely accepted in today's job market boom.
However, there is an issue with compulsive job hoppers. They can be both a menace and a danger. The distinction between the former and the latter is that the former changes jobs because the opportunities they receive would not have been available in their current position for the next 3 to 5 years. On the other hand, the latter switches jobs solely for the sake of moving and monetary incentives, without considering long-term career growth or the reputation of the company.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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A very happy New Year to you and your family.
I have personally observed that individuals who frequently change jobs are sometimes given preference due to the broad range of experience they bring. This trend has become more widely accepted in today's job market boom.
However, there is an issue with compulsive job hoppers. They can be both a menace and a danger. The distinction between the former and the latter is that the former changes jobs because the opportunities they receive would not have been available in their current position for the next 3 to 5 years. On the other hand, the latter switches jobs solely for the sake of moving and monetary incentives, without considering long-term career growth or the reputation of the company.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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Hi all,
In my opinion, job hopping with a good period in between is not bad. The time duration to stay with one company should be 2-3 years, for me, good enough.
Read this article:
Mr. Gopalakrishnan succeeds Mr. Ratan Tata as Chairman of Tata Sons Ltd., the holding company for many of the Tata blue chips like Tata Steel, Tata Motors, Tata Power, Tata Chemicals, Voltas, etc. Possibly, he is the first non-Tata person to head the Tata Empire.
The below article written by him is really interesting!
"The grass isn't always greener on the other side!"
Move from one job to another, but only for the right reasons.
It's yet another day at the office. As I logged on to the marketing and advertising sites for the latest updates, as usual, I found the headlines dominated by 'who's moving from one company to another after a short stint, and I wondered, why are so many people leaving one job for another?
Is it passé now to work with just one company for a sufficiently long period? Whenever I ask this question to people who leave a company, the answers I get are: "Oh, I am getting a 200% hike in salary"; "Well, I am jumping three levels in my designation"; "Well, they are going to send me abroad in six months".
Then, I look around at all the people who are considered successful today and who have reached the top - be it a media agency, an advertising agency, or a company. I find that most of these people are the ones who have stuck to the company, ground their heels, and worked their way to the top. And, as I look around for people who changed their jobs constantly, I find they have stagnated at some level, in obscurity!
In this absolutely ruthless, dynamic, and competitive environment, there are still no shortcuts to success or to making money. The only thing that continues to pay, as earlier, is loyalty and hard work. Yes, it pays! Sometimes immediately, sometimes after a lot of time. But, it does pay.
Does this mean that one should stick to an organization and wait for that golden moment? Of course not. After a long stint, there always comes a time for moving in most organizations, but it is important to move for the right reasons, rather than superficial ones, like money, designation, or an overseas trip.
Remember, no company recruits for charity. More often than not, when you are offered an unseemly hike in salary or designation that is disproportionate to what that company offers its current employees, there is always unseen bait attached.
The result? You will, in the long term, have reached exactly the same levels or maybe lower levels than what you would have in your current company.
A lot of people leave an organization because they are "unhappy". What is this so-called unhappiness? I have been working for donkey's years, and there has never been a day when I am not unhappy about something in my work environment - boss, rude colleague, fussy clients, etc.
Unhappiness in a workplace, to a large extent, is transient. If you look hard enough, there is always something to be unhappy about. But, more importantly, do I come to work to be "happy" in the truest sense? If I think hard, the answer is "No".
Happiness is something you find with family, friends, maybe a close circle of colleagues who have become friends.
What you come to work for is to earn, build a reputation, satisfy your ambitions, be appreciated for your work ethics, face challenges, and get the job done. So, the next time you are tempted to move, ask yourself why you are moving and what you are moving into?
Some questions are:
- Am I ready and capable of handling the new responsibility? If yes, what could be the possible reasons my current company has not offered me the same responsibility?
- Who are the people who currently handle this responsibility in the current and new company? Am I as good as the best among them?
- As the new job offer has a different profile, why have I not given the current company the option to offer me this profile?
- Why is the new company offering me the job? Do they want me for my skills, or is there an ulterior motive?
An honest answer to these will eventually decide where you go in your career - to the top of the pile in the long term (at the cost of short-term blips) or to become another average employee who gets lost with time in the wilderness?
"DESERVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE" - Dr. Gopalkrishnan, Chairman Tata Sons.
Hope you will find some answers in this article.
Cheers,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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In my opinion, job hopping with a good period in between is not bad. The time duration to stay with one company should be 2-3 years, for me, good enough.
Read this article:
Mr. Gopalakrishnan succeeds Mr. Ratan Tata as Chairman of Tata Sons Ltd., the holding company for many of the Tata blue chips like Tata Steel, Tata Motors, Tata Power, Tata Chemicals, Voltas, etc. Possibly, he is the first non-Tata person to head the Tata Empire.
The below article written by him is really interesting!
"The grass isn't always greener on the other side!"
Move from one job to another, but only for the right reasons.
It's yet another day at the office. As I logged on to the marketing and advertising sites for the latest updates, as usual, I found the headlines dominated by 'who's moving from one company to another after a short stint, and I wondered, why are so many people leaving one job for another?
Is it passé now to work with just one company for a sufficiently long period? Whenever I ask this question to people who leave a company, the answers I get are: "Oh, I am getting a 200% hike in salary"; "Well, I am jumping three levels in my designation"; "Well, they are going to send me abroad in six months".
Then, I look around at all the people who are considered successful today and who have reached the top - be it a media agency, an advertising agency, or a company. I find that most of these people are the ones who have stuck to the company, ground their heels, and worked their way to the top. And, as I look around for people who changed their jobs constantly, I find they have stagnated at some level, in obscurity!
In this absolutely ruthless, dynamic, and competitive environment, there are still no shortcuts to success or to making money. The only thing that continues to pay, as earlier, is loyalty and hard work. Yes, it pays! Sometimes immediately, sometimes after a lot of time. But, it does pay.
Does this mean that one should stick to an organization and wait for that golden moment? Of course not. After a long stint, there always comes a time for moving in most organizations, but it is important to move for the right reasons, rather than superficial ones, like money, designation, or an overseas trip.
Remember, no company recruits for charity. More often than not, when you are offered an unseemly hike in salary or designation that is disproportionate to what that company offers its current employees, there is always unseen bait attached.
The result? You will, in the long term, have reached exactly the same levels or maybe lower levels than what you would have in your current company.
A lot of people leave an organization because they are "unhappy". What is this so-called unhappiness? I have been working for donkey's years, and there has never been a day when I am not unhappy about something in my work environment - boss, rude colleague, fussy clients, etc.
Unhappiness in a workplace, to a large extent, is transient. If you look hard enough, there is always something to be unhappy about. But, more importantly, do I come to work to be "happy" in the truest sense? If I think hard, the answer is "No".
Happiness is something you find with family, friends, maybe a close circle of colleagues who have become friends.
What you come to work for is to earn, build a reputation, satisfy your ambitions, be appreciated for your work ethics, face challenges, and get the job done. So, the next time you are tempted to move, ask yourself why you are moving and what you are moving into?
Some questions are:
- Am I ready and capable of handling the new responsibility? If yes, what could be the possible reasons my current company has not offered me the same responsibility?
- Who are the people who currently handle this responsibility in the current and new company? Am I as good as the best among them?
- As the new job offer has a different profile, why have I not given the current company the option to offer me this profile?
- Why is the new company offering me the job? Do they want me for my skills, or is there an ulterior motive?
An honest answer to these will eventually decide where you go in your career - to the top of the pile in the long term (at the cost of short-term blips) or to become another average employee who gets lost with time in the wilderness?
"DESERVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE" - Dr. Gopalkrishnan, Chairman Tata Sons.
Hope you will find some answers in this article.
Cheers,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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Dear Friends,
Thank you for your contributions to help fellow HR professionals, and a special thanks to Archana for posting Dr. Gopalakrishnan's article. I invite more comments and suggestions from other members too.
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
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Thank you for your contributions to help fellow HR professionals, and a special thanks to Archana for posting Dr. Gopalakrishnan's article. I invite more comments and suggestions from other members too.
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
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Hi Antony, Thank you. There is another discussion going, on the same topic. That is the reason people are not joining you for more discussion. Read that topic Cheers Archna
From India, Delhi
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Hi Antony,
What I have said is that there is another post going on in the forum where the same topic is being discussed. 😊 This is the reason the discussion is not taking place in this post.
Did you read that other post?
Cheers,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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What I have said is that there is another post going on in the forum where the same topic is being discussed. 😊 This is the reason the discussion is not taking place in this post.
Did you read that other post?
Cheers,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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It is a wonderful article by Mr. Gopalakrishnan. I totally agree with his point of view. Thanks, Archana.
Giving all sorts of excuses (personal, emotional, monetary, etc.) seems so unprofessional for changing jobs so soon. There should be some stability. Initially, the organization pays us without getting any output. So, it is our moral duty to give back to the organization many folds.
Nobody's working or doing anything for that matter without facing any kind of problems. We should be prepared for every kind of problem when we decide to take up an assignment, unless of course the matter is beyond our reach. We have to be tough and face problems boldly in order to achieve our goals. With stability 😊
From India, Gurgaon
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Giving all sorts of excuses (personal, emotional, monetary, etc.) seems so unprofessional for changing jobs so soon. There should be some stability. Initially, the organization pays us without getting any output. So, it is our moral duty to give back to the organization many folds.
Nobody's working or doing anything for that matter without facing any kind of problems. We should be prepared for every kind of problem when we decide to take up an assignment, unless of course the matter is beyond our reach. We have to be tough and face problems boldly in order to achieve our goals. With stability 😊
From India, Gurgaon
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In my view, changing jobs frequently for what ever reason does affect a person's career to a certain level.
The reason why I am saying this is because when the employer goes through the resumes to short list candidates he does not go for the “reasons” why you have changed jobs so frequently but the fact that you have changed jobs frequently. They look for employees who can stick with them for some time and on employees who they can depend on. A resume as your friend's will not look very impressive with job hopping.
Employers are looking ways to cut down staff costs and they want to recruit a person who can serve then for a longer time period etc. Hence while selecting the most suitable candidate they will not give priority to a resume which has a history of job switching with in a short term period!!
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The reason why I am saying this is because when the employer goes through the resumes to short list candidates he does not go for the “reasons” why you have changed jobs so frequently but the fact that you have changed jobs frequently. They look for employees who can stick with them for some time and on employees who they can depend on. A resume as your friend's will not look very impressive with job hopping.
Employers are looking ways to cut down staff costs and they want to recruit a person who can serve then for a longer time period etc. Hence while selecting the most suitable candidate they will not give priority to a resume which has a history of job switching with in a short term period!!
From Sri Lanka
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