Can an employer take an undated cheque from an employee at the time of appointment? I joined a company in 2009. The company has taken an undated cheque for three months' salary from me. In 2012, I resigned, but they didn't allow me to serve the notice period and deposited my cheque in the bank, which bounced due to insufficient funds. Now, the company has filed a legal case against me.
Please guide me on whether I should give them the notice period salary amount or fight the case.
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1Please guide me on whether I should give them the notice period salary amount or fight the case.
From India, Delhi
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please answer the following questions
Is there any rule/ T&C of employment you found written in your employment letter that you must provide “Undated Cheque/Blank Cheque” to employer while at the joining?
Did you get any copy of notice from your employer in this regards?
Did you get any copy of Legal notice that they have filed against you?
What was the reason of your resignation or breach of employment?
Why you were not allowed to serve Notice Period if you were ready and
what was the amount of the cheque?
Your query is lacking with many of things and the answers of above posted questions can enable us to give your appropriate response …
From India, Gurgaon
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Is there any rule/ T&C of employment you found written in your employment letter that you must provide “Undated Cheque/Blank Cheque” to employer while at the joining?
Did you get any copy of notice from your employer in this regards?
Did you get any copy of Legal notice that they have filed against you?
What was the reason of your resignation or breach of employment?
Why you were not allowed to serve Notice Period if you were ready and
what was the amount of the cheque?
Your query is lacking with many of things and the answers of above posted questions can enable us to give your appropriate response …
From India, Gurgaon
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Name the Organization so that other dont fall prey to them in future
From India, Mumbai
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Dear,
Further to the citation by Anil ji, here are a couple more points which I'd like to emphasize:
The company does not have the right to coerce any candidate or employee to provide a post-dated cheque. Therefore, it should be a term clearly stated in the organization's policies, which should be read and understood.
(Check your appointment letter for any such clause)
- Were you pressured to provide an undated check?
- Were you aware that providing a cheque could lead to legal issues?
- If not, why did you provide it in the first place?
This statement seems mysterious. If you resigned, informed your employer, and they still did not allow you to serve the notice period, then:
- How did you leave? Did you abscond?
- Do you have any correspondence (like a letter or email) as proof of your resignation?
I hope we are not operating in the dark. Therefore, it is important to gather enough data to provide you with expert advice. Thank you!
From India, Visakhapatnam
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Further to the citation by Anil ji, here are a couple more points which I'd like to emphasize:
The company does not have the right to coerce any candidate or employee to provide a post-dated cheque. Therefore, it should be a term clearly stated in the organization's policies, which should be read and understood.
(Check your appointment letter for any such clause)
- Were you pressured to provide an undated check?
- Were you aware that providing a cheque could lead to legal issues?
- If not, why did you provide it in the first place?
This statement seems mysterious. If you resigned, informed your employer, and they still did not allow you to serve the notice period, then:
- How did you leave? Did you abscond?
- Do you have any correspondence (like a letter or email) as proof of your resignation?
I hope we are not operating in the dark. Therefore, it is important to gather enough data to provide you with expert advice. Thank you!
From India, Visakhapatnam
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Hello Aarush Bhatt,
Further to what Anil Arora and Sharmila Das have mentioned, please also clarify if the PDC was taken in lieu of any bond period. If yes, what was the period? You mentioned you joined in 2009 and quit in 2012 -- please confirm/clarify the months too.
Additionally, since you resigned, please confirm if you received the relieving/experience letter(s). Or was it that the company deposited the PDC straightaway?
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Further to what Anil Arora and Sharmila Das have mentioned, please also clarify if the PDC was taken in lieu of any bond period. If yes, what was the period? You mentioned you joined in 2009 and quit in 2012 -- please confirm/clarify the months too.
Additionally, since you resigned, please confirm if you received the relieving/experience letter(s). Or was it that the company deposited the PDC straightaway?
All the best.
Regards,
TS
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Dear All,
Such practices show that the employer is not confident. In any case, the employee need not worry about the employer filing a case against the employee for cheque bouncing simply because there is no consideration for the cheque. Such transactions are void in law.
Another point is that for the current period, from 1st April, the format of the cheque is changing. All cheques are numbered. The number can show when the cheque was issued, and it will be stale after 3 months. Such a cheque cannot be enforced for recovery.
I wonder if this really happens. Can an employer take a bond but ask for an advanced cheque for 3 years in advance?
Vibhakar Ramtirthkar.
From India, Pune
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Such practices show that the employer is not confident. In any case, the employee need not worry about the employer filing a case against the employee for cheque bouncing simply because there is no consideration for the cheque. Such transactions are void in law.
Another point is that for the current period, from 1st April, the format of the cheque is changing. All cheques are numbered. The number can show when the cheque was issued, and it will be stale after 3 months. Such a cheque cannot be enforced for recovery.
I wonder if this really happens. Can an employer take a bond but ask for an advanced cheque for 3 years in advance?
Vibhakar Ramtirthkar.
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Moral of the story?
If you are forced to give undated cheques, the first thing to do is go to your bank and issue stop payment orders against it... pure and simple. Then, if the company does bank the cheques, it will not be considered a criminal offence. The date of stop payment will also show how old the cheques are, which will help in case they do file a case.
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If you are forced to give undated cheques, the first thing to do is go to your bank and issue stop payment orders against it... pure and simple. Then, if the company does bank the cheques, it will not be considered a criminal offence. The date of stop payment will also show how old the cheques are, which will help in case they do file a case.
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The company held my appointment letter and asked me to give an undated cheque (three months' salary). They gave my appointment letter only after submitting an undated cheque to them. This cheque was taken from me as security. The company is located in Okhla Ph-2, New Delhi, and deals in mobile payment services. I request all viewers not to give any cheques to employers. In my case, I am still fighting with the employer for the last 3 years in Delhi court. The employer had deposited my cheque without prior informing me, which later bounced. The employer had filed a case against me. I am suffering even though I have no legal liability due to the company. Can someone from the same company come forward to help me in this regard? My number is 9716944990.
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A valid debt is presumed when a case is filed under section 138. The law is pretty clear on that; otherwise, a cheque will have no sanctity. It is a rebuttable assumption. The onus is on the drawer to prove that the cheque was not given for consideration and was obtained under fraud or coercion, etc. Stop payment instructions to the bank do not absolve anyone from liability. The law is pretty clear on that too.
An undated cheque or a cheque with no amount filled in later could provide a way out; however, the burden of proof still lies with the drawer. A prima facie case is established, and the court will consider all this evidence only at the evidence stage.
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An undated cheque or a cheque with no amount filled in later could provide a way out; however, the burden of proof still lies with the drawer. A prima facie case is established, and the court will consider all this evidence only at the evidence stage.
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The cheque was taken as security in 2010 and presented in 2012. Can we go to the handwriting expert to check the ink of the cheque or handwriting, etc.? Can we request the court to do this exercise? The cheque was undated when it was submitted to the employer, and the date was filled in later by the employer according to his convenience.
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The purpose of an "undated cheque" is exactly that - to be able to put the date at a later period so that it is not "stale". The employer was within his full rights to put the relevant date. The only thing the court will now look at is whether there was any debt existing at the time of presentation to the bank. If the court decides there is no debt, bouncing of the cheque is not a criminal offence. The company can still proceed with a civil trial if it has any grounds for the same. If the court decides there was a debt and the cheque was presented to clear the same, it amounts to a criminal offence to bounce the cheque for want of funds.
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But how can a company take a undated cheque at the time of appointment. No training was given to me. It was taken by holding my appointment letter.
From India, Delhi
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That is a question that you should have asked when you gave undated cheques to the company.
The de-facto situation now is that they have a cheque on which the date appears to be current, and it has bounced due to non-availability of funds, which is a criminal offense. They have filed a case against you under Sec 138 of the Negotiable Instruments Act. It has been repeatedly discussed on this forum, and the consensus is that it's stupid to give a blank cheque or a security cheque to the company, but employees give it because they want the job and don't think ahead. You can always use these arguments in court. But as I said, it's for the court to decide whether or not there is a debt you owe to the company.
From India, Mumbai
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The de-facto situation now is that they have a cheque on which the date appears to be current, and it has bounced due to non-availability of funds, which is a criminal offense. They have filed a case against you under Sec 138 of the Negotiable Instruments Act. It has been repeatedly discussed on this forum, and the consensus is that it's stupid to give a blank cheque or a security cheque to the company, but employees give it because they want the job and don't think ahead. You can always use these arguments in court. But as I said, it's for the court to decide whether or not there is a debt you owe to the company.
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Company has already filed a case U/s 138 as the OP says.
s. 138 says :
138 Dishonour of cheque for insufficiency, etc., of funds in the account. —Where any cheque drawn by a person on an account maintained by him with a banker for payment of any amount of money to another person from out of that account for the discharge, in whole or in part, of any debt or other liability, is returned by the bank unpaid, either because of the amount of money standing to the credit of that account is insufficient to honour the cheque or that it exceeds the amount arranged to be paid from that account by an agreement made with that bank, such person shall be deemed to have committed an offence and shall, without prejudice to any other provisions of this Act, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may be extended to two years or with fine which may extend to twice the amount of the cheque, or with both
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It is now for the Court to decide how sound your case is and what penalties to impose. You would have got a Notice from the Company earlier demanding payment and now that a case has been filed a Notice/Summons from the Court also , enclosing the Written Statement of the Company which should set out clearly why they are claiming this amount.
If you can rebut their claims in writing, with strong evidence to back it up rather than just statements you may have a case. Else you have no case, IMHO.
Suggest you take advise of a lawyer now.
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s. 138 says :
138 Dishonour of cheque for insufficiency, etc., of funds in the account. —Where any cheque drawn by a person on an account maintained by him with a banker for payment of any amount of money to another person from out of that account for the discharge, in whole or in part, of any debt or other liability, is returned by the bank unpaid, either because of the amount of money standing to the credit of that account is insufficient to honour the cheque or that it exceeds the amount arranged to be paid from that account by an agreement made with that bank, such person shall be deemed to have committed an offence and shall, without prejudice to any other provisions of this Act, be punished with imprisonment for a term which may be extended to two years or with fine which may extend to twice the amount of the cheque, or with both
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It is now for the Court to decide how sound your case is and what penalties to impose. You would have got a Notice from the Company earlier demanding payment and now that a case has been filed a Notice/Summons from the Court also , enclosing the Written Statement of the Company which should set out clearly why they are claiming this amount.
If you can rebut their claims in writing, with strong evidence to back it up rather than just statements you may have a case. Else you have no case, IMHO.
Suggest you take advise of a lawyer now.
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Hi So, if a person can opt. Stop payment option And the cheque become void, than company can not take any action??
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A cheque stopped for payment is equivalent to bouncing of the cheque. Therefore, whether there were sufficient funds in the account is immaterial. The matter is still covered under Sec. 138.
You cannot issue a cheque for a debt and then issue a stop payment.
From India, Mumbai
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You cannot issue a cheque for a debt and then issue a stop payment.
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Dear Anil Arora,
The problem you experienced should have been described rather than asking so many academic questions. Solutions depend on the nature of the problem, not generic answers. It is based on hypothetical academic questions. However, not having seen this query earlier, I apologize for the late response.
Thank you.
From India, Delhi
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The problem you experienced should have been described rather than asking so many academic questions. Solutions depend on the nature of the problem, not generic answers. It is based on hypothetical academic questions. However, not having seen this query earlier, I apologize for the late response.
Thank you.
From India, Delhi
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