What is the status for PF contribution for the following:
1. Casual Labour
2. Temporary Labour
3. Apprentice
4. Trainee
5. Part-time Labour
And also, all of the above through a subcontractor not covered under the EPF Act.
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1. Casual Labour
2. Temporary Labour
3. Apprentice
4. Trainee
5. Part-time Labour
And also, all of the above through a subcontractor not covered under the EPF Act.
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Dear aby, Except: Trainees and Apprentices all others must be covered under PF. This is irrespective of whether their status and organisation of their engagement, Regards, SC
From India, Thane
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Dear SC, Are you very sure regarding this. Who is going to allot a PF No. and maintain accounts for the Casual Labour or others; The Sub-Contractor or the Principal? Aby
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Dear Abby,
It is up to the management to decide: Some companies carry out the compliance by allowing the contractor to use its own code, while some companies do not enlist any contractor or subcontractor who does not have a PF code.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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It is up to the management to decide: Some companies carry out the compliance by allowing the contractor to use its own code, while some companies do not enlist any contractor or subcontractor who does not have a PF code.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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Mr. Swastik,
I need your valuable advice on the following:
We have 200-250 workers from one of our contractors who have separate PF codes. The problem we face is when the contractor gives us a photocopy of the receipted challan, which is combined, and the number of subscribers is usually 900-1000. Though we ask for Form 3A & Form 6A at the end of the year, is there any procedure to check on a monthly basis?
From India, Gurgaon
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I need your valuable advice on the following:
We have 200-250 workers from one of our contractors who have separate PF codes. The problem we face is when the contractor gives us a photocopy of the receipted challan, which is combined, and the number of subscribers is usually 900-1000. Though we ask for Form 3A & Form 6A at the end of the year, is there any procedure to check on a monthly basis?
From India, Gurgaon
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Hi Swastik,
I have a doubt about this. I think even the trainees' and apprentices' salaries also come under this as per the Apprenticeship Act. It is not applicable if you have more than 100 employees, but for smaller companies, it is applicable.
Regards,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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I have a doubt about this. I think even the trainees' and apprentices' salaries also come under this as per the Apprenticeship Act. It is not applicable if you have more than 100 employees, but for smaller companies, it is applicable.
Regards,
Archna
From India, Delhi
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Dear Archna, Trainee is not an employee unless otherwise stated. As for Apprentice the PF Act has specific guidelines as below: Regards, SC
From India, Thane
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I also doubt temporary and temporary casual labour. Any firm answers. What about employees under probation?
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Dear All,
Shiva asked:
Sorry for the delay. Well, I always ask for a Self Declaration under the Contractor's Letterhead signed by their Authorized Signatory, giving the following details:
1) Gross Wage
2) Total PF Wage Liability
3) Date of Deposit
4) Individual Employee Name with PF No. and Contribution
5) Total Employer's Contribution
6) Total PF Contribution for the month.
Aby said:
Aby, what is the difference between temporary casual and casual worker? I have already said that PF needs to be deducted for all employees irrespective of the status of the employee if the establishment is covered under PF.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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Shiva asked:
Sorry for the delay. Well, I always ask for a Self Declaration under the Contractor's Letterhead signed by their Authorized Signatory, giving the following details:
1) Gross Wage
2) Total PF Wage Liability
3) Date of Deposit
4) Individual Employee Name with PF No. and Contribution
5) Total Employer's Contribution
6) Total PF Contribution for the month.
Aby said:
Aby, what is the difference between temporary casual and casual worker? I have already said that PF needs to be deducted for all employees irrespective of the status of the employee if the establishment is covered under PF.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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This is impossible. We have on an average atleast 15 casual worker’s which change on monthly basis. Sometimes more frequent and in more numbers. Not possible at all. ANY SUGGESTIONS!
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Dear Aby,
If you are discussing casual workers, they are covered under PF, at least in West Bengal. Even if a person works for one day, we have to deposit PF. Possible or impossible is a separate issue, but it is the statutory position.
Now, how do we bend the rules? What we do is not give them the status of a workman by providing an official job contract. Unofficially, however, they have workman status.
For example, a carpenter is engaged for furniture repair. We instruct him on what and how to do the work, but during payment time, we ask the person to submit a bill (which is designed and printed on the computer by us), and payment is made through petty cash. Therefore, officially he has a Vendor Status, but unofficially he is a worker.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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If you are discussing casual workers, they are covered under PF, at least in West Bengal. Even if a person works for one day, we have to deposit PF. Possible or impossible is a separate issue, but it is the statutory position.
Now, how do we bend the rules? What we do is not give them the status of a workman by providing an official job contract. Unofficially, however, they have workman status.
For example, a carpenter is engaged for furniture repair. We instruct him on what and how to do the work, but during payment time, we ask the person to submit a bill (which is designed and printed on the computer by us), and payment is made through petty cash. Therefore, officially he has a Vendor Status, but unofficially he is a worker.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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