We are keeping a ceiling limit for PF at 15k; however, an employee joined at the end of the month. In that case, his gross salary for the month is less than 15k. What will the employer and employee contribute towards PF in this scenario? Will it be 12% of the gross salary for both employer and employee contributions?
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You take the basic salary that qualifies for PF for the number of days the employee has worked and pay PF for that amount. Suppose his gross salary is Rs. 25,000, but the PF qualifying salary is Rs. 15,000. If he has worked for, say, 10 days only, take only Rs. 5,000 (15,000/30 x 10) as the PF qualifying salary for the month and pay PF on that 5,000.
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Thank you, Madhu, for your reply. Just to make sure I understood it correctly, could you please confirm if the following is accurate?
Gross Salary Calculation
Gross Salary for 30 days: 45,000
Worked for 8 days, Therefore, Gross salary: 12,000
PF ceiling limit is: 15,000
PF: (15,000/30)*8 days = 4,000
Please let me know if this is correct.
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Gross Salary Calculation
Gross Salary for 30 days: 45,000
Worked for 8 days, Therefore, Gross salary: 12,000
PF ceiling limit is: 15,000
PF: (15,000/30)*8 days = 4,000
Please let me know if this is correct.
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Yes, this is correct. In the ECR, you can mention 22 days (in the case of a month having 30 days) or 23 days (in the case of a month having 31 days) as NCPs (Non-Contributory Periods) against this employee who has worked only for 8 days in the month.
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Madhu sir, in this case, what will be the basic salary because PF should be deducted on Basic + DA? In the above case, just assume that the salary breakup is as follows:
Gross = 45,000
Basic (50% gross) = 22,500
HRA (50% of Basic) = 11,250
Other allowances = 11,250
The actual PF deduction is 1,800 (15,000 * 12%) with a ceiling of 15,000.
But in the above case, the employee worked for 8 days and earned a gross of 12,000. Then it will automatically affect the Basic and other components, right?
Then his basic is 6,000 (50% of earned gross), so PF will be 6,000 * 12% = 720.
Is this correct?
Correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you, sir.
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Gross = 45,000
Basic (50% gross) = 22,500
HRA (50% of Basic) = 11,250
Other allowances = 11,250
The actual PF deduction is 1,800 (15,000 * 12%) with a ceiling of 15,000.
But in the above case, the employee worked for 8 days and earned a gross of 12,000. Then it will automatically affect the Basic and other components, right?
Then his basic is 6,000 (50% of earned gross), so PF will be 6,000 * 12% = 720.
Is this correct?
Correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you, sir.
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If your gross salary is Rs 45,000 and the PF qualifying salary is Rs 15,000, then there is no relevance for Rs 22,500, which is 50% of the gross as basic. What is required is the PF qualifying salary. If you contribute based on Rs 15,000, then take it as the base. From this Rs 15,000, find the salary for PF after deducting the loss of pay leave. If the employee has worked for 8 days, then their earned PF salary will be Rs 4,000 and the NCP days will be 22. The contribution should be on Rs 4,000.
Please understand that there is no law that mandates your basic salary to be 50% of the gross salary. Even if your basic salary is already above Rs 15,000 and you cap your PF contribution at Rs 15,000, you can have a different PF qualifying salary.
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Please understand that there is no law that mandates your basic salary to be 50% of the gross salary. Even if your basic salary is already above Rs 15,000 and you cap your PF contribution at Rs 15,000, you can have a different PF qualifying salary.
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Thank you, sir. Just a few more doubts.
Employee salary details
Employee salary is 22,000 Gross. Basic is 11,000. The employee worked for 24 days out of 30 days (6 days LOP). What will be the PF and ESI deductions in this case, sir?
Impact of LOP on basic salary
My doubt is, will LOPs affect the basic salary or not?
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Employee salary details
Employee salary is 22,000 Gross. Basic is 11,000. The employee worked for 24 days out of 30 days (6 days LOP). What will be the PF and ESI deductions in this case, sir?
Impact of LOP on basic salary
My doubt is, will LOPs affect the basic salary or not?
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Understanding PF Cap and Basic Salary
PF cap is ₹15,000/-, and actual basic are two different things. When we process salary, then basic is basic, which may be more than ₹15,000/- but not the equivalent of the PF ceiling of ₹15,000/-. In the case of LOP, proportionate deduction will be on basic and other allowances, not on the ceiling of PF (₹15,000/-).
Therefore, in the instant case, the basic will be ₹6,000/- instead of ₹4,000/-, and PF will be deducted accordingly.
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PF cap is ₹15,000/-, and actual basic are two different things. When we process salary, then basic is basic, which may be more than ₹15,000/- but not the equivalent of the PF ceiling of ₹15,000/-. In the case of LOP, proportionate deduction will be on basic and other allowances, not on the ceiling of PF (₹15,000/-).
Therefore, in the instant case, the basic will be ₹6,000/- instead of ₹4,000/-, and PF will be deducted accordingly.
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I remember on the same subject Nanu had a different opinion. I am taking it again now.
It is true that Basic has nothing to do with PF salary when you restrict the PF contributions to Rs 15,000. When you take Rs 15,000 as PF qualifying wages, naturally, it should be the wage on which your contributions as well as NON-CONTRIBUTION should rest. With 22 days NCPs in a month of 30 days, how can the PF contributing wages be Rs 6,000? Since he had worked only for 8 days, his earned PF salary is Rs 4,000 at the rate of Rs 500 (15,000/30) per day. In the ECR it will appear as follows:
Gross salary: 6,000
PF Wages: 4,000
EDLI Wages: 4,000
PF Contribution: 480
PS contribution: 333
EDLI: 20
NCP Days: 22
In the second example of Harry, since the notional salary exceeds Rs 21,000, the employee would be out of ESI coverage. Suppose that he has crossed Rs 21,000 this month and therefore, he should continue in ESI till September, then his ESI will be on the actual Gross earned, i.e., 17,600.
Coming to EPF, his Basic salary is less than Rs 15,000 and as such he is contributing on his actual basic only (assuming that the employer takes only the actual basic salary wherever it is less than Rs 15,000 and no other allowance is considered to make the contribution at least on Rs 15,000) and that is Rs 11,000. The LOP will be deducted from 11,000, and the earned PF salary will be Rs 8,800 (11,000/30*24) and contribution will be paid at 12% on 8,800. In this case, the ECR will show the gross salary as 17,600, the PF salary as 8,800, and NCP days as 6 days. In the month in which he has worked for all the 30/31 days (without any NCP days) the ECR will be like:
Gross: 22,000
PF wages: 11,000
NCP days: 0
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It is true that Basic has nothing to do with PF salary when you restrict the PF contributions to Rs 15,000. When you take Rs 15,000 as PF qualifying wages, naturally, it should be the wage on which your contributions as well as NON-CONTRIBUTION should rest. With 22 days NCPs in a month of 30 days, how can the PF contributing wages be Rs 6,000? Since he had worked only for 8 days, his earned PF salary is Rs 4,000 at the rate of Rs 500 (15,000/30) per day. In the ECR it will appear as follows:
Gross salary: 6,000
PF Wages: 4,000
EDLI Wages: 4,000
PF Contribution: 480
PS contribution: 333
EDLI: 20
NCP Days: 22
In the second example of Harry, since the notional salary exceeds Rs 21,000, the employee would be out of ESI coverage. Suppose that he has crossed Rs 21,000 this month and therefore, he should continue in ESI till September, then his ESI will be on the actual Gross earned, i.e., 17,600.
Coming to EPF, his Basic salary is less than Rs 15,000 and as such he is contributing on his actual basic only (assuming that the employer takes only the actual basic salary wherever it is less than Rs 15,000 and no other allowance is considered to make the contribution at least on Rs 15,000) and that is Rs 11,000. The LOP will be deducted from 11,000, and the earned PF salary will be Rs 8,800 (11,000/30*24) and contribution will be paid at 12% on 8,800. In this case, the ECR will show the gross salary as 17,600, the PF salary as 8,800, and NCP days as 6 days. In the month in which he has worked for all the 30/31 days (without any NCP days) the ECR will be like:
Gross: 22,000
PF wages: 11,000
NCP days: 0
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Dear Mr. Madhu,
Basic Salary and Allowances
Basic Salary - 30,000/-, Other Allowances - 30,000/- & Monthly Gross - 60,000/-. 5 days LOP. Actual earning Basic - 25,000/- and other allowances - 25,000/-. PF contribution restricted at 15,000/-. Does it mean that the employee will get 5 days LOP on 15,000/- considering his basic? The answer is no.
Understanding PF Contribution
In actuality, the employee will get 50,000/- as the monthly gross, and PF contribution will be on 15,000/- so long as the earned basic is 15,000/- or more after LOP.
I have faced several cases with EPFO in different States - WB, AP, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Odisha, etc., and the above is the stand of EPFO.
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Basic Salary and Allowances
Basic Salary - 30,000/-, Other Allowances - 30,000/- & Monthly Gross - 60,000/-. 5 days LOP. Actual earning Basic - 25,000/- and other allowances - 25,000/-. PF contribution restricted at 15,000/-. Does it mean that the employee will get 5 days LOP on 15,000/- considering his basic? The answer is no.
Understanding PF Contribution
In actuality, the employee will get 50,000/- as the monthly gross, and PF contribution will be on 15,000/- so long as the earned basic is 15,000/- or more after LOP.
I have faced several cases with EPFO in different States - WB, AP, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Odisha, etc., and the above is the stand of EPFO.
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Proportionate LOP for PF Calculation
When the salary for the purpose of PF is Rs. 15,000, the LOP should be proportionate to Rs. 15,000, and only then will equity be met. If we contribute based on Rs. 15,000 itself because even after the deduction the salary would still be above Rs. 15,000, then the employer would be unjust to those who have worked all days. For example, in the case of an employee with an actual gross salary of Rs. 60,000, the employer will contribute Rs. 1,800 even if the employee has worked for 8 days, as the earned gross will still be above Rs. 15,000 (it should be Rs. 16,000 for 8 days). However, for an employee with a lower salary, say Rs. 15,000 per month, the contribution for each day of absence will decrease.
NCP Days and PF Contribution
Furthermore, if the PF qualifying salary is shown as Rs. 15,000 when there are days of leave without pay, no NCP days can be shown. In case of loss of pay, the employee should indeed bear the consequences in the form of NCP.
EPFO's Stance on Non-Contributory Days
In the EPF records, when an employee's salary is Rs. 15,000, why does the EPFO insist that the PF contribution should be based on Rs. 15,000 even during non-contributory days?
While it is true that Enforcement will conduct a 7A enquiry based on the records, I doubt they can demand full contribution on Rs. 15,000 when the employee has not earned the full salary. If your payroll system is linked to attendance and PF monthly returns (now ECR), there will likely be a mismatch in NCP. Previously, we used to generate NCP days to be submitted with pension requests. If extracted directly from the payroll, it would indicate NCP days, but the PF records would lack NCP since the employer had remitted PF based on Rs. 15,000 even during NCPs. ECR now has a separate column for NCP. I believe we can only show the non-contributory periods if we display the PF qualifying salary as less than Rs. 15,000, proportionately deducting the LOP from Rs. 15,000.
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When the salary for the purpose of PF is Rs. 15,000, the LOP should be proportionate to Rs. 15,000, and only then will equity be met. If we contribute based on Rs. 15,000 itself because even after the deduction the salary would still be above Rs. 15,000, then the employer would be unjust to those who have worked all days. For example, in the case of an employee with an actual gross salary of Rs. 60,000, the employer will contribute Rs. 1,800 even if the employee has worked for 8 days, as the earned gross will still be above Rs. 15,000 (it should be Rs. 16,000 for 8 days). However, for an employee with a lower salary, say Rs. 15,000 per month, the contribution for each day of absence will decrease.
NCP Days and PF Contribution
Furthermore, if the PF qualifying salary is shown as Rs. 15,000 when there are days of leave without pay, no NCP days can be shown. In case of loss of pay, the employee should indeed bear the consequences in the form of NCP.
EPFO's Stance on Non-Contributory Days
In the EPF records, when an employee's salary is Rs. 15,000, why does the EPFO insist that the PF contribution should be based on Rs. 15,000 even during non-contributory days?
While it is true that Enforcement will conduct a 7A enquiry based on the records, I doubt they can demand full contribution on Rs. 15,000 when the employee has not earned the full salary. If your payroll system is linked to attendance and PF monthly returns (now ECR), there will likely be a mismatch in NCP. Previously, we used to generate NCP days to be submitted with pension requests. If extracted directly from the payroll, it would indicate NCP days, but the PF records would lack NCP since the employer had remitted PF based on Rs. 15,000 even during NCPs. ECR now has a separate column for NCP. I believe we can only show the non-contributory periods if we display the PF qualifying salary as less than Rs. 15,000, proportionately deducting the LOP from Rs. 15,000.
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Thank you, Madhu, for the reply. So, this 4000 rupees contribution will be from the employer, and 4000 rupees from the employee's side, is that correct?
Gross Salary Calculation
Gross Salary for 30 days: 45,000
Worked for 8 days, Therefore, Gross salary: 12,000
PF Calculation
PF ceiling limit is: 15,000
PF: (15,000/30)*8 days = 4,000
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Gross Salary Calculation
Gross Salary for 30 days: 45,000
Worked for 8 days, Therefore, Gross salary: 12,000
PF Calculation
PF ceiling limit is: 15,000
PF: (15,000/30)*8 days = 4,000
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Understanding LOP and Its Impact on PF and EPS Contributions
LOP days are applicable for employees whose contribution for EPS will be less than ₹15,000 due to the effect of LOP, to calculate the pension properly. Even after LOP, if the basic salary is more than ₹15,000 and PF contribution is made up to ₹15,000 along with EPS, there will be no effect of LOP.
Therefore, there will be no effect on PF and EPS contributions and accordingly no effect of LOP until the basic salary is below ₹15,000 and the contribution is less in PF and EPS.
Considerations for Higher Salary Contributions
In case the employee and organization are contributing on a higher salary for PF and EPS, then any LOP should be considered for both PF and EPS.
The above is a bit complicated and difficult to understand. I had a detailed discussion with several Assistant PF Commissioners, where one or two of them clarified the items. They stated that in the case of LOP, if the basic salary is more than ₹15,000 and the contribution is restricted to ₹15,000, then LOP should not be considered as the contribution is paid on ₹15,000.
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LOP days are applicable for employees whose contribution for EPS will be less than ₹15,000 due to the effect of LOP, to calculate the pension properly. Even after LOP, if the basic salary is more than ₹15,000 and PF contribution is made up to ₹15,000 along with EPS, there will be no effect of LOP.
Therefore, there will be no effect on PF and EPS contributions and accordingly no effect of LOP until the basic salary is below ₹15,000 and the contribution is less in PF and EPS.
Considerations for Higher Salary Contributions
In case the employee and organization are contributing on a higher salary for PF and EPS, then any LOP should be considered for both PF and EPS.
The above is a bit complicated and difficult to understand. I had a detailed discussion with several Assistant PF Commissioners, where one or two of them clarified the items. They stated that in the case of LOP, if the basic salary is more than ₹15,000 and the contribution is restricted to ₹15,000, then LOP should not be considered as the contribution is paid on ₹15,000.
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Thank you so much for all the responses. This is very interesting.
Salary Component for One Employee
For our one employee, below is the salary component:
Basic: 10800
HRA: 5400
Other allowance: 10800
Gross: 27000
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer and employee is 1800 rupees each (ceiling limit 15,000). Is this correct?
Salary Component for Partial Month
Let's say if this employee started working at the end of the month and worked only for 3 days out of 30 days. In that case, below is the salary component:
Basic: 1080
HRA: 540
Other allowance: 1080
Gross: 2700
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer is calculated on the ceiling limit: = (15000/30)*3 days, which will be 1500 rupees. Also, the employee contribution will be 1500 as well.
Please let me know if I am correct.
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Salary Component for One Employee
For our one employee, below is the salary component:
Basic: 10800
HRA: 5400
Other allowance: 10800
Gross: 27000
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer and employee is 1800 rupees each (ceiling limit 15,000). Is this correct?
Salary Component for Partial Month
Let's say if this employee started working at the end of the month and worked only for 3 days out of 30 days. In that case, below is the salary component:
Basic: 1080
HRA: 540
Other allowance: 1080
Gross: 2700
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer is calculated on the ceiling limit: = (15000/30)*3 days, which will be 1500 rupees. Also, the employee contribution will be 1500 as well.
Please let me know if I am correct.
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PF Contribution Calculation
PF contribution will be on 1080 + 1080 = 2160/- not on 15,000/-.
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PF contribution will be on 1080 + 1080 = 2160/- not on 15,000/-.
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Mr. Nanu should have discussed the issues with so many APFCs, but did they ever answer one question: how can the contribution be the same for two employees whose PF qualifying salary is the same, i.e., Rs 15,000, when one person has not worked for all the 30 days or when there are some non-contributing periods?
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@Madhu Sir, thank you for your quick responses. Can you please let me know if this is correct?
Employee Salary Components
For us, one employee's salary component is as follows:
Basic: 10800
HRA: 5400
Other allowance: 10800
Gross: 27000
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer and employee is 1800 rupees each (ceiling limit 15,000). Is this correct?
Salary Calculation for Partial Month
Let's say this employee started working at the end of the month and worked only for 3 days out of 30 days. In that case, the salary component is as follows:
Basic: 1080
HRA: 540
Other allowance: 1080
Gross: 2700
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer is calculated on the ceiling limit: = (15000/30)*3 days, which will be 1500 rupees. Also, the employee's contribution will be 1500 as well.
Please let me know if I am correct.
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Employee Salary Components
For us, one employee's salary component is as follows:
Basic: 10800
HRA: 5400
Other allowance: 10800
Gross: 27000
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer and employee is 1800 rupees each (ceiling limit 15,000). Is this correct?
Salary Calculation for Partial Month
Let's say this employee started working at the end of the month and worked only for 3 days out of 30 days. In that case, the salary component is as follows:
Basic: 1080
HRA: 540
Other allowance: 1080
Gross: 2700
In this case, the PF contribution by the employer is calculated on the ceiling limit: = (15000/30)*3 days, which will be 1500 rupees. Also, the employee's contribution will be 1500 as well.
Please let me know if I am correct.
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Yes. If the employee had worked only for 3 days, then certainly the PF qualifying salary should be Rs. 1500, and the contribution by the employee should be Rs. 180 (12% of 1500). The employer's share should also be Rs. 180, bifurcated as Rs. 125 towards EPS and Rs. 55 towards PF.
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Understanding PF Gross and Contribution Limits
PF Gross = Basic + DA + other allowances (except production-related incentives, HRA, etc.) as per the Apex court verdict and definition of Basic Wages.
PF & EPS contribution is always determined based on the actual earned PF Gross, even if the organization decides to limit the contribution up to the statutory limit (currently 15,000/- per month). When the earned PF Gross exceeds 15,000/- per month, it is restricted to 15,000/-.
Under no circumstances can the actual PF Gross of any employee be restricted to 15,000/- per month, as the contribution has been limited to 15,000/- per month - these two are different.
Dealing with LOP Cases
In the case of any LOP, the concerned employee always receives less salary than their notional salary, resulting in a loss to the employee. Secondly, how to show LOP days in the EPFO Portal. As long as the contribution is made on 15,000/- per month, there will be no LOP shown in the EPFO portal. However, when the PF and EPS contribution falls below 15,000/- or the notional salary, whichever is less, LOP days should be reflected in the EPFO Portal for EPS calculation.
Example of PF Calculation with LOP
Let us take the example of an anonymous friend:
Basic - 10,800
HRA - 5,400
Other allowances - 10,800
Monthly Gross - 27,000/-
Here, PF Gross is 10,800 + 10,800 = 21,600/- per month. The organization has restricted PF & EPS contribution up to 15,000/- per month.
If there are 5 days of LOP, then the PF Gross will be 21,600/30 x 25 = 18,000/-. Therefore, the PF and EPS contribution will be based on 15,000/- up to the statutory limit as per the organization's policy. There will be no LOP shown in the EPFO portal, as the contribution has been made on 15,000/- per month.
Similarly, in the case of 3 days present, the PF Gross will be 1080 + 1080 = 2160/-, which is far below 15,000/-. The PF & EPS contribution will be based on 2160/-, and LOP days should be shown in the EPFO Portal. The number of LOP days shown in the EPFO portal will be 18 days instead of 27 days. The calculation is (15,000 - 2160) / 720 (per day PF gross) = 18.
All of the above are mathematical logic, nothing subjective. In the case of 5 days LOP, it will be shown in payroll PF gross 18,000/-, but if we follow Mr. Madhu T K's logic, it will be below 15,000/-, which will not be accepted by the EPFO as well as the employee.
Importance of Mathematical Logic in Labor Laws
In labor laws, there are certain areas where strong mathematical logic is essential - Factories Act OT single hour and double hour concept, leave earning concept, Bonus Act for organizations with one balance sheet working in more than one state, and minimum wages that randomly vary in different skill categories in different states with a significant amount of allocable surplus to determine the percentage of Bonus, determination of wages as per the new labor codes, etc.
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PF Gross = Basic + DA + other allowances (except production-related incentives, HRA, etc.) as per the Apex court verdict and definition of Basic Wages.
PF & EPS contribution is always determined based on the actual earned PF Gross, even if the organization decides to limit the contribution up to the statutory limit (currently 15,000/- per month). When the earned PF Gross exceeds 15,000/- per month, it is restricted to 15,000/-.
Under no circumstances can the actual PF Gross of any employee be restricted to 15,000/- per month, as the contribution has been limited to 15,000/- per month - these two are different.
Dealing with LOP Cases
In the case of any LOP, the concerned employee always receives less salary than their notional salary, resulting in a loss to the employee. Secondly, how to show LOP days in the EPFO Portal. As long as the contribution is made on 15,000/- per month, there will be no LOP shown in the EPFO portal. However, when the PF and EPS contribution falls below 15,000/- or the notional salary, whichever is less, LOP days should be reflected in the EPFO Portal for EPS calculation.
Example of PF Calculation with LOP
Let us take the example of an anonymous friend:
Basic - 10,800
HRA - 5,400
Other allowances - 10,800
Monthly Gross - 27,000/-
Here, PF Gross is 10,800 + 10,800 = 21,600/- per month. The organization has restricted PF & EPS contribution up to 15,000/- per month.
If there are 5 days of LOP, then the PF Gross will be 21,600/30 x 25 = 18,000/-. Therefore, the PF and EPS contribution will be based on 15,000/- up to the statutory limit as per the organization's policy. There will be no LOP shown in the EPFO portal, as the contribution has been made on 15,000/- per month.
Similarly, in the case of 3 days present, the PF Gross will be 1080 + 1080 = 2160/-, which is far below 15,000/-. The PF & EPS contribution will be based on 2160/-, and LOP days should be shown in the EPFO Portal. The number of LOP days shown in the EPFO portal will be 18 days instead of 27 days. The calculation is (15,000 - 2160) / 720 (per day PF gross) = 18.
All of the above are mathematical logic, nothing subjective. In the case of 5 days LOP, it will be shown in payroll PF gross 18,000/-, but if we follow Mr. Madhu T K's logic, it will be below 15,000/-, which will not be accepted by the EPFO as well as the employee.
Importance of Mathematical Logic in Labor Laws
In labor laws, there are certain areas where strong mathematical logic is essential - Factories Act OT single hour and double hour concept, leave earning concept, Bonus Act for organizations with one balance sheet working in more than one state, and minimum wages that randomly vary in different skill categories in different states with a significant amount of allocable surplus to determine the percentage of Bonus, determination of wages as per the new labor codes, etc.
@Mr. Madhu T K - Lastly, please do not address me as Nanu but address me as S K Bandyopadhyay or in short SKB, which is my name.
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Dear S K Bandyopadhyay,
Firstly, let me apologize for addressing you by your username.
Observations about PF Qualifying Salary
Your observations about PF qualifying salary are not correct if viewed from ethical and logical perspectives. If your establishment has been paying contributions on Rs 15,000 even in the case of a few days of Leave Without Pay (LOP), then you must continue this practice as directed by the PF Commissioners. However, this process is incorrect and can be challenged in court. The contribution payable by the employer for an employee who has worked for 30 days should never be equal to that of an employee who has worked for only 10 days. Contributing on Rs 15,000 for both these employees goes against ethics. In the scenario where the non-contributory period for an employee who worked all days and one who worked for just 10 days is equal, there is a legal error. The EPF Officers might have mistakenly directed you to pay on Rs 15,000 since there is no legal basis supporting their observation. For the EPFO, Rs 15,000 is considered the salary when the employer limits contributions to that amount. The EPFO cannot demand contributions on any salary exceeding Rs 15,000.
Upcoming Discussion on Marathwada Gramin Bank Case
We will delve into the landmark Marathwada Gramin Bank case (Supreme Court) in another two days, not tomorrow, as I won't be logging into CiteHR tomorrow due to prior engagements.
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Firstly, let me apologize for addressing you by your username.
Observations about PF Qualifying Salary
Your observations about PF qualifying salary are not correct if viewed from ethical and logical perspectives. If your establishment has been paying contributions on Rs 15,000 even in the case of a few days of Leave Without Pay (LOP), then you must continue this practice as directed by the PF Commissioners. However, this process is incorrect and can be challenged in court. The contribution payable by the employer for an employee who has worked for 30 days should never be equal to that of an employee who has worked for only 10 days. Contributing on Rs 15,000 for both these employees goes against ethics. In the scenario where the non-contributory period for an employee who worked all days and one who worked for just 10 days is equal, there is a legal error. The EPF Officers might have mistakenly directed you to pay on Rs 15,000 since there is no legal basis supporting their observation. For the EPFO, Rs 15,000 is considered the salary when the employer limits contributions to that amount. The EPFO cannot demand contributions on any salary exceeding Rs 15,000.
Upcoming Discussion on Marathwada Gramin Bank Case
We will delve into the landmark Marathwada Gramin Bank case (Supreme Court) in another two days, not tomorrow, as I won't be logging into CiteHR tomorrow due to prior engagements.
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Dear Madhu T K,
Can you please explain the Marathwada Gramin Bank case judgment in this regard? I am having the same doubt.
Link: https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/jud...r-law-5373.asp
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Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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Can you please explain the Marathwada Gramin Bank case judgment in this regard? I am having the same doubt.
Link: https://www.lawyersclubindia.com/jud...r-law-5373.asp
Regards,
Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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@Sheena Philip, I believe I have explained the matter very clearly in the preceding discussions.
Marathwada Case and EPFO Contribution
In the Marathwada case, the Supreme Court has stated that the EPFO has no right to demand any contribution on wages above Rs 6,500 (this can be read as Rs 15,000 in the present context). When the salary that qualifies for PF is Rs 15,000, the LOP days should be proportionately deducted from that qualifying wage, i.e., Rs 15,000, and not from the actual wages because the actual wage is nowhere in the picture; only PF wages are considered. For every day lost without wages, there should be a loss of contribution. That is why I am repeatedly saying that contributions for non-contributory days should be deducted from Rs 15,000.
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Marathwada Case and EPFO Contribution
In the Marathwada case, the Supreme Court has stated that the EPFO has no right to demand any contribution on wages above Rs 6,500 (this can be read as Rs 15,000 in the present context). When the salary that qualifies for PF is Rs 15,000, the LOP days should be proportionately deducted from that qualifying wage, i.e., Rs 15,000, and not from the actual wages because the actual wage is nowhere in the picture; only PF wages are considered. For every day lost without wages, there should be a loss of contribution. That is why I am repeatedly saying that contributions for non-contributory days should be deducted from Rs 15,000.
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Dear Madhu T K,
Below was the answer given on https://www.epfindia.gov.in/site_en/FAQ.php - Monthly Pay for calculating contributions to be paid under the Act.
Monthly Pay for calculating contributions to be paid under the Act
Q.384 Monthly Pay for calculating contributions to be paid under the Act?
Ans: The contribution shall be calculated on the basis of monthly pay containing the following components actually drawn during the whole month whether paid on a daily, weekly, fortnightly, or monthly basis:
- Basic Wages
- Dearness allowance (all cash payment by whatever name called paid to an employee on account of a rise in the cost of living)
- Retaining allowance
- Cash value of any food concession
In that, it is given components actually drawn.
Drawn Basic + DA can vary from month to month due to LOP. i.e., Drawn Basic + DA can go below Rs. 15,000 due to LOP for an employee who was drawing more than Rs. 15,000 in the earlier months. In such a case, we will be calculating based on the actually drawn Basic + DA salary.
E.g., Based on FAQ found on https://www.epfindia.gov.in/site_en/FAQ.php
Basic + DA = Rs. 17,000
Number of days worked = 24 Days
LOP = 6 Days
Drawn Basic + DA = Rs. 13,600
Employer PF Contribution = Rs. 13,600 x 12% = Rs. 1,632
But as per your explanation, PF Contribution should be Rs. 15,000/30 * 24 x 12% = Rs. 1,440. This is beneficial for the Employer. Can you please provide any reference supporting your workings? It would be more helpful.
Thanks & Regards,
Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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Below was the answer given on https://www.epfindia.gov.in/site_en/FAQ.php - Monthly Pay for calculating contributions to be paid under the Act.
Monthly Pay for calculating contributions to be paid under the Act
Q.384 Monthly Pay for calculating contributions to be paid under the Act?
Ans: The contribution shall be calculated on the basis of monthly pay containing the following components actually drawn during the whole month whether paid on a daily, weekly, fortnightly, or monthly basis:
- Basic Wages
- Dearness allowance (all cash payment by whatever name called paid to an employee on account of a rise in the cost of living)
- Retaining allowance
- Cash value of any food concession
In that, it is given components actually drawn.
Drawn Basic + DA can vary from month to month due to LOP. i.e., Drawn Basic + DA can go below Rs. 15,000 due to LOP for an employee who was drawing more than Rs. 15,000 in the earlier months. In such a case, we will be calculating based on the actually drawn Basic + DA salary.
E.g., Based on FAQ found on https://www.epfindia.gov.in/site_en/FAQ.php
Basic + DA = Rs. 17,000
Number of days worked = 24 Days
LOP = 6 Days
Drawn Basic + DA = Rs. 13,600
Employer PF Contribution = Rs. 13,600 x 12% = Rs. 1,632
But as per your explanation, PF Contribution should be Rs. 15,000/30 * 24 x 12% = Rs. 1,440. This is beneficial for the Employer. Can you please provide any reference supporting your workings? It would be more helpful.
Thanks & Regards,
Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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Pension Salary Calculation
As per the FAQ, it is true. But what about pension salary? On which amount should the pension be calculated? For 24 days, you cannot have Rs. 13,600 as the pension qualifying salary; it should be Rs. 12,000 only. Suppose the actual salary is much higher, say Rs. 60,000, and the employee takes a few days leave, and still, the PF salary would be within Rs. 15,000. Is it right that the employer should contribute the same amount as the employee's contribution?
If you follow the FAQs, please adhere to them. I don't know the clerical side of preparing ECR, etc., and I'm unsure if the system will reject the entry if you put Rs. 13,600 under EPF salary and Rs. 12,000 as EPS salary.
EPF and Gross Salary Considerations
When PF is capped at Rs. 15,000, ideally, it should be the salary for all purposes of the EPF & MP Act, which includes PF, pension, and EDLI. Then EPFO has nothing to do with the gross salary of the employee, whether it is Rs. 15,001 or two lakh rupees; the EPFO should not have anything to do with it.
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As per the FAQ, it is true. But what about pension salary? On which amount should the pension be calculated? For 24 days, you cannot have Rs. 13,600 as the pension qualifying salary; it should be Rs. 12,000 only. Suppose the actual salary is much higher, say Rs. 60,000, and the employee takes a few days leave, and still, the PF salary would be within Rs. 15,000. Is it right that the employer should contribute the same amount as the employee's contribution?
If you follow the FAQs, please adhere to them. I don't know the clerical side of preparing ECR, etc., and I'm unsure if the system will reject the entry if you put Rs. 13,600 under EPF salary and Rs. 12,000 as EPS salary.
EPF and Gross Salary Considerations
When PF is capped at Rs. 15,000, ideally, it should be the salary for all purposes of the EPF & MP Act, which includes PF, pension, and EDLI. Then EPFO has nothing to do with the gross salary of the employee, whether it is Rs. 15,001 or two lakh rupees; the EPFO should not have anything to do with it.
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Dear Madhu.T.K,
For both EPS and EPF, we will be showing Rs. 13,600 only. Most employers calculate it this way. Your point was logical and beneficial for the employer but not for the employee. If we can find a source to support this logic, we can adopt this approach (i.e., consider Rs. 12,000 as PF Wage as per the example above). Please share any sources you find supporting this logic. It would be helpful to update the old practice.
Regards,
Sheena Philip
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For both EPS and EPF, we will be showing Rs. 13,600 only. Most employers calculate it this way. Your point was logical and beneficial for the employer but not for the employee. If we can find a source to support this logic, we can adopt this approach (i.e., consider Rs. 12,000 as PF Wage as per the example above). Please share any sources you find supporting this logic. It would be helpful to update the old practice.
Regards,
Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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The only logic is that an employee who has been on leave without pay should not receive more benefits from the employer than an employee who has worked the entire month.
Example of Salary and PF Contribution
Let us take another example: the gross salary (or Basic and DA part only) is Rs 120,000, and the PF contributing salary is Rs 15,000. This employee has worked just for 4 days in a month. Naturally, his salary for that month would be Rs 16,000. Should the employer contribute Rs 1,800 towards PF? Wouldn't it be unfair for the employer to contribute the same amount as for an employee whose salary is Rs 15,000 but has worked for the entire 30 days?
Number of Days in ECR
Now coming to the number of days in the ECR, is it 4 days or 30 days that you will put for this employee? When there are 26 days' NCPs, how can you show Rs 15,000 as Pensionable salary? Obviously, in respect of this employee, the pensionable service will be more even though he has worked for very few days. Is this right?
It is okay if the contribution is on actual salary; you can show the actual salary (Rs 16,000 in this example or Rs 13,600 in your previous example) under the PF account. Still, you cannot put Rs 15,000 as Pension salary because the pension salary for 4 days cannot be Rs 15,000 but Rs 2,000. Then only the non-contributory days would get established in his service. If the pension is based on pensionable service and if the pensionable service is based on days worked, you cannot have Rs 15,000 as salary in respect of an employee whose salary is higher and even after the deduction for being absent, his salary exceeds Rs 15,000.
Bonus Calculation for Employees with Leave Without Pay
A similar kind of working is adopted in calculating the bonus payable in respect of an employee whose bonus qualifying salary is more than Rs 7,000. In such cases, we calculate the bonus assuming that the salary is Rs 7,000 or the notified minimum wages, whichever is higher, right? In such a case, the LOPs shall be deducted from 7,000 or the notified wages. The Act has permitted such proportionate deduction also. By this, an employee who has taken leave without pay would receive a lesser amount of bonus than an employee who has not taken any leave without pay, even if the gross salary of the former is higher than the latter. This can also be illustrated with an example.
Example of Bonus Calculation
The bonus qualifying salary of two employees, A and B, is the same, i.e., Rs 12,000 (being the statutory minimum wages). Their actual Basic and DA part of the salary is Rs 20,000. Since they come under the "7,000 or minimum wages fixed brackets of the bonus qualifying salary, we can take Rs 12,000 as their base for the calculation of Bonus. Suppose that the company is declaring a bonus of 8.33%. Then the annual bonus for someone whose monthly salary is Rs 12,000 would be roughly Rs 12,000. Suppose that A has had 10 days' leave without pay during the financial year (for which the bonus is being calculated). Then the bonus should be calculated on an earning calculated based on a salary after deducting the LOP proportionately from the base amount. That is if 12,000 is the monthly salary, it would be Rs 144,000 for the year. The daily average of 12,000 is equal to Rs 400. If the salary were Rs 12,000, the employee would have been subjected to a deduction of Rs 400 each if he had taken leave without pay. Then for 10 days, it would be Rs 4,000. Then the annual Bonus qualifying salary would be Rs 140,000, and the bonus @ 8.33% would be Rs 11,662, whereas for B who has not taken any LOP, it would be Rs 12,000.
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Example of Salary and PF Contribution
Let us take another example: the gross salary (or Basic and DA part only) is Rs 120,000, and the PF contributing salary is Rs 15,000. This employee has worked just for 4 days in a month. Naturally, his salary for that month would be Rs 16,000. Should the employer contribute Rs 1,800 towards PF? Wouldn't it be unfair for the employer to contribute the same amount as for an employee whose salary is Rs 15,000 but has worked for the entire 30 days?
Number of Days in ECR
Now coming to the number of days in the ECR, is it 4 days or 30 days that you will put for this employee? When there are 26 days' NCPs, how can you show Rs 15,000 as Pensionable salary? Obviously, in respect of this employee, the pensionable service will be more even though he has worked for very few days. Is this right?
It is okay if the contribution is on actual salary; you can show the actual salary (Rs 16,000 in this example or Rs 13,600 in your previous example) under the PF account. Still, you cannot put Rs 15,000 as Pension salary because the pension salary for 4 days cannot be Rs 15,000 but Rs 2,000. Then only the non-contributory days would get established in his service. If the pension is based on pensionable service and if the pensionable service is based on days worked, you cannot have Rs 15,000 as salary in respect of an employee whose salary is higher and even after the deduction for being absent, his salary exceeds Rs 15,000.
Bonus Calculation for Employees with Leave Without Pay
A similar kind of working is adopted in calculating the bonus payable in respect of an employee whose bonus qualifying salary is more than Rs 7,000. In such cases, we calculate the bonus assuming that the salary is Rs 7,000 or the notified minimum wages, whichever is higher, right? In such a case, the LOPs shall be deducted from 7,000 or the notified wages. The Act has permitted such proportionate deduction also. By this, an employee who has taken leave without pay would receive a lesser amount of bonus than an employee who has not taken any leave without pay, even if the gross salary of the former is higher than the latter. This can also be illustrated with an example.
Example of Bonus Calculation
The bonus qualifying salary of two employees, A and B, is the same, i.e., Rs 12,000 (being the statutory minimum wages). Their actual Basic and DA part of the salary is Rs 20,000. Since they come under the "7,000 or minimum wages fixed brackets of the bonus qualifying salary, we can take Rs 12,000 as their base for the calculation of Bonus. Suppose that the company is declaring a bonus of 8.33%. Then the annual bonus for someone whose monthly salary is Rs 12,000 would be roughly Rs 12,000. Suppose that A has had 10 days' leave without pay during the financial year (for which the bonus is being calculated). Then the bonus should be calculated on an earning calculated based on a salary after deducting the LOP proportionately from the base amount. That is if 12,000 is the monthly salary, it would be Rs 144,000 for the year. The daily average of 12,000 is equal to Rs 400. If the salary were Rs 12,000, the employee would have been subjected to a deduction of Rs 400 each if he had taken leave without pay. Then for 10 days, it would be Rs 4,000. Then the annual Bonus qualifying salary would be Rs 140,000, and the bonus @ 8.33% would be Rs 11,662, whereas for B who has not taken any LOP, it would be Rs 12,000.
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I clearly understand what you are saying. I only need the source that clearly supports this working to implement it. Any kind of clarification or communication from EPF India or any judgments in this regard would be helpful, since the EPF Act and scheme are silent on this matter.
NCP and PF Wages
NCP is not mentioned for higher wage employees when their PF wages drawn that month are above Rs. 15,000. NCP is mentioned only when PF wages drawn that month are below Rs. 15,000, and this is calculated as explained by S K Bandyopadhyay in earlier replies in this thread since the PF cap is considered on actual drawn wages. This is what most employers are following.
Regards, Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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NCP and PF Wages
NCP is not mentioned for higher wage employees when their PF wages drawn that month are above Rs. 15,000. NCP is mentioned only when PF wages drawn that month are below Rs. 15,000, and this is calculated as explained by S K Bandyopadhyay in earlier replies in this thread since the PF cap is considered on actual drawn wages. This is what most employers are following.
Regards, Sheena Philip
From India, Coimbatore
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(Fact Checked)-The LOPs will not affect the basic salary for PF calculation. PF is based on basic salary and dearness allowance. For the given scenario, PF deduction will be based on the actual basic salary of Rs. 11,000. ESI will also be calculated based on the actual gross salary of Rs. 22,000. (1 Acknowledge point)