We all know that the employer's contribution to PF is capped at a limit of 6500. In the case where an employee's salary exceeds this limit, the rule dictates that the employer pays their contribution of Rs. 6500, the maximum amount, i.e., Rs. 780. So, my question is, what will be the employee's maximum contribution to PF? The employer's share is Rs. 780, and the employee's share, based on their basic salary, can be any maximum amount from their salary.
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Dear Nayakharish,
If I am not wrong, the employee's basic salary exceeds Rs. 6,500/- he/she will not be eligible for PF. However, there may be a chance if an employee voluntarily agrees to contribute towards PF contribution. Senior's suggestions will be helpful in this regard.
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Krishna Murthy
From India, Bengaluru
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If I am not wrong, the employee's basic salary exceeds Rs. 6,500/- he/she will not be eligible for PF. However, there may be a chance if an employee voluntarily agrees to contribute towards PF contribution. Senior's suggestions will be helpful in this regard.
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Krishna Murthy
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Hi,
Regarding PF for employees and employers, there is no specific limit for PF. Rs. 6500/- is the limit for the pension fund.
Suppose an employee, X, has a basic salary of Rs. 8500/-, then their PF calculation will be as follows:
For Employee - 8500 * 12% will be 1020.
For Employer - 8500 * 12% will be 1020, but in this, there is a breakdown for the employer. The employer should deduct employees' PF as follows: 6500 * 8.33% will be 541, and the remaining amount will be in the employer's PF.
So, the calculation for the employer will be: 8500 * 12% will be 1020 - 541, with the remaining 479 being the PF from the employer's side. If you calculate 541 + 479, it will be 1020.
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Ashwin
From India, Pune
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Regarding PF for employees and employers, there is no specific limit for PF. Rs. 6500/- is the limit for the pension fund.
Suppose an employee, X, has a basic salary of Rs. 8500/-, then their PF calculation will be as follows:
For Employee - 8500 * 12% will be 1020.
For Employer - 8500 * 12% will be 1020, but in this, there is a breakdown for the employer. The employer should deduct employees' PF as follows: 6500 * 8.33% will be 541, and the remaining amount will be in the employer's PF.
So, the calculation for the employer will be: 8500 * 12% will be 1020 - 541, with the remaining 479 being the PF from the employer's side. If you calculate 541 + 479, it will be 1020.
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Ashwin
From India, Pune
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Dear Ashwin,
As stated by you, some of your points are right, some of them require further attention.
1. As stated, the employee is free to give his maximum contribution depending upon 12% of basic, e.g., Rs. 1020/- in your case of Rs. 8500/- as basic. (And if I am not wrong, the employee can voluntarily agree to deduct his PF @ 20% maximum of his basic salary - Senior, please correct me if I am wrong).
But...
The employer is not bound to give PF on a higher basic than stipulated in the act. The employer can calculate the employee's PF considering his basic limited to Rs. 6500/- only if his basic is more than Rs. 6500/-. It is at the sole discretion of the company to give or calculate PF on the actual basic or not (which is more than Rs. 6500/-). Now, as stated above in your case, the calculation will be as follows:
For Employee - 8500 * 12% will be 1020.
For Employer - 6500 * 12% will be 780 --> Total = Rs. 1800/-
Now, Pension will be mentioned in the Challan = Rs. 541.
EPF including the employer's share will be = Rs. 1259/- --> Total = Rs. 1800/-
I hope I have cleared the calculations in such cases.
Regards,
Saiyed Ali Abbas
From India, Hyderabad
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As stated by you, some of your points are right, some of them require further attention.
1. As stated, the employee is free to give his maximum contribution depending upon 12% of basic, e.g., Rs. 1020/- in your case of Rs. 8500/- as basic. (And if I am not wrong, the employee can voluntarily agree to deduct his PF @ 20% maximum of his basic salary - Senior, please correct me if I am wrong).
But...
The employer is not bound to give PF on a higher basic than stipulated in the act. The employer can calculate the employee's PF considering his basic limited to Rs. 6500/- only if his basic is more than Rs. 6500/-. It is at the sole discretion of the company to give or calculate PF on the actual basic or not (which is more than Rs. 6500/-). Now, as stated above in your case, the calculation will be as follows:
For Employee - 8500 * 12% will be 1020.
For Employer - 6500 * 12% will be 780 --> Total = Rs. 1800/-
Now, Pension will be mentioned in the Challan = Rs. 541.
EPF including the employer's share will be = Rs. 1259/- --> Total = Rs. 1800/-
I hope I have cleared the calculations in such cases.
Regards,
Saiyed Ali Abbas
From India, Hyderabad
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Dear Friends,
It appears that you are confused about the PF deduction.
Firstly, the Total Contribution to the Provident fund is 24%, plus administrative charges borne by the employer. In that 24%, the employer's contribution is 12% + admin charges, and the employee's contribution is 12%.
Secondly, this 12% is calculated on the basic salary amount.
Thirdly, there are mainly two kinds of PF contributions: 1) Limited PF and 2) Unlimited PF.
Limited PF, as discussed above, has a maximum limit of Rs. 6500/-. Limited Companies that want to contribute a fixed amount of PF irrespective of the salary drawn by the employees would opt for the limited PF.
For example, if the employee's basic salary is Rs. 4500/-pm, the employer shall pay 12% of Rs. 4500/-. In case the employee's basic pay is Rs. 7500/-, then the employer pays 12% only for Rs. 6500/-, even if the employee's basic exceeds it.
Unlimited PF is where the company opts to pay 12% on whatever basic salary is drawn by the employees.
This whole concept of Limited and Unlimited PF is called the "PF Ceiling Effect."
There is also a situation where the Employer is exempted from PF. This does not mean that the employer does not need to pay the PF amount, but they will not take the PF code from any of the PF authorities to pay the amount. Do not be surprised. These companies will have their own PF Offices at their Companies, with the reason being the major turnover and transactions of the company. (Such PF authority at the company will be controlled by the government itself.)
From the 12% of the PF payment, 8.33% will go to the pension fund.
So, there should not be any confusion regarding the PF payment and the kinds of PF/Ceiling of PF. It is like PF is the tree and the Ceiling of PF is the branch.
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It appears that you are confused about the PF deduction.
Firstly, the Total Contribution to the Provident fund is 24%, plus administrative charges borne by the employer. In that 24%, the employer's contribution is 12% + admin charges, and the employee's contribution is 12%.
Secondly, this 12% is calculated on the basic salary amount.
Thirdly, there are mainly two kinds of PF contributions: 1) Limited PF and 2) Unlimited PF.
Limited PF, as discussed above, has a maximum limit of Rs. 6500/-. Limited Companies that want to contribute a fixed amount of PF irrespective of the salary drawn by the employees would opt for the limited PF.
For example, if the employee's basic salary is Rs. 4500/-pm, the employer shall pay 12% of Rs. 4500/-. In case the employee's basic pay is Rs. 7500/-, then the employer pays 12% only for Rs. 6500/-, even if the employee's basic exceeds it.
Unlimited PF is where the company opts to pay 12% on whatever basic salary is drawn by the employees.
This whole concept of Limited and Unlimited PF is called the "PF Ceiling Effect."
There is also a situation where the Employer is exempted from PF. This does not mean that the employer does not need to pay the PF amount, but they will not take the PF code from any of the PF authorities to pay the amount. Do not be surprised. These companies will have their own PF Offices at their Companies, with the reason being the major turnover and transactions of the company. (Such PF authority at the company will be controlled by the government itself.)
From the 12% of the PF payment, 8.33% will go to the pension fund.
So, there should not be any confusion regarding the PF payment and the kinds of PF/Ceiling of PF. It is like PF is the tree and the Ceiling of PF is the branch.
From India, Bangalore
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