Dear Sir/Madam,
This might be a long query, but I would appreciate it if you have the time to spare and go through it.
I joined Infosys on 26th October 2015 as a System Engineer trainee. I left Infosys on 10th November 2015 due to a serious medical condition of my mother. I returned home and informed the Infosys HRD of the situation, and they immediately granted me leave. I also mentioned the possibility of resigning due to the seriousness of the issue. Upon returning home, I continued to upload my mother's medical documents to Infosys regularly, extending my leave day by day. Unfortunately, the latest reports did not show improvement, and the doctor was unable to provide good news. This situation left me heartbroken, and my health began to decline due to anxiety and sleepless nights. Consequently, I decided to resign from Infosys around 27th January 2016, and Infosys promptly processed my separation formalities.
During this period, I realized the urgent need to find a job in my hometown to support my family, given the substantial medical bills and my father's retirement. I secured a position in a smaller company, understanding that something is better than nothing, especially given my circumstances. The new company has asked me to fill out their EPF form. However, I have not disclosed my brief employment experience at Infosys, reasoning that 14 days of experience may not hold much weight, particularly since Infosys is a well-known MNC. Despite this, I applied as a Fresher and was hired. The EPF form of the new company inquires about previous EPF-related organizations, prompting me to question whether I should omit my previous employment details, considering Infosys' delayed relieving letter process, which might take around 45 days.
I am torn about whether to be dishonest on the new company's form by selecting "No" regarding previous EPF-related employment. I acknowledge that lying is unethical, but my situation has left me in turmoil. I seek your guidance on how to proceed.
Regards,
Monty
P.S. During my brief tenure at Infosys, I did not sign any EPF-related forms and therefore do not have my PF account number. Although my salary was credited, I am unsure if they deducted my PF amount for those 14 days. I speculate that Infosys may have opened a PF account in my name without my signature, intending to deposit the amount once I return to complete the necessary forms. In my separation formalities with Infosys, there was a PF withdrawal form, but I do not wish to claim the money or transfer it. Infosys operates a PF trust, whereas my new company is directly linked to EPFO.
I am puzzled as to how a company can establish a PF account for an employee without their signature. Your assistance in clarifying this matter would be greatly appreciated.
From India, Kolkata
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This might be a long query, but I would appreciate it if you have the time to spare and go through it.
I joined Infosys on 26th October 2015 as a System Engineer trainee. I left Infosys on 10th November 2015 due to a serious medical condition of my mother. I returned home and informed the Infosys HRD of the situation, and they immediately granted me leave. I also mentioned the possibility of resigning due to the seriousness of the issue. Upon returning home, I continued to upload my mother's medical documents to Infosys regularly, extending my leave day by day. Unfortunately, the latest reports did not show improvement, and the doctor was unable to provide good news. This situation left me heartbroken, and my health began to decline due to anxiety and sleepless nights. Consequently, I decided to resign from Infosys around 27th January 2016, and Infosys promptly processed my separation formalities.
During this period, I realized the urgent need to find a job in my hometown to support my family, given the substantial medical bills and my father's retirement. I secured a position in a smaller company, understanding that something is better than nothing, especially given my circumstances. The new company has asked me to fill out their EPF form. However, I have not disclosed my brief employment experience at Infosys, reasoning that 14 days of experience may not hold much weight, particularly since Infosys is a well-known MNC. Despite this, I applied as a Fresher and was hired. The EPF form of the new company inquires about previous EPF-related organizations, prompting me to question whether I should omit my previous employment details, considering Infosys' delayed relieving letter process, which might take around 45 days.
I am torn about whether to be dishonest on the new company's form by selecting "No" regarding previous EPF-related employment. I acknowledge that lying is unethical, but my situation has left me in turmoil. I seek your guidance on how to proceed.
Regards,
Monty
P.S. During my brief tenure at Infosys, I did not sign any EPF-related forms and therefore do not have my PF account number. Although my salary was credited, I am unsure if they deducted my PF amount for those 14 days. I speculate that Infosys may have opened a PF account in my name without my signature, intending to deposit the amount once I return to complete the necessary forms. In my separation formalities with Infosys, there was a PF withdrawal form, but I do not wish to claim the money or transfer it. Infosys operates a PF trust, whereas my new company is directly linked to EPFO.
I am puzzled as to how a company can establish a PF account for an employee without their signature. Your assistance in clarifying this matter would be greatly appreciated.
From India, Kolkata
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It pains me to leave Infosys, to be honest. I was in love with the company when I first set foot on the Mysore campus. It seemed like heaven to me. I thought my career was sorted for the future. But sadly, God thought otherwise!
From India, Kolkata
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From India, Kolkata
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For enrollment EPF enrollment, it is responsibility on the part of the employer to deduct PF and enroll for EPF. Without your signature, you can be allotted the number. You also can't deny EPF contribution except if you have submitted Form 11 stating that earlier PF was not deducted and now you are drawing a basic salary of more than 15k.
You have to approach the company (employer) for the submission of Form 11. If Infosys opened your account with EPF, it is not rejectable.
From India, Hyderabad
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You have to approach the company (employer) for the submission of Form 11. If Infosys opened your account with EPF, it is not rejectable.
From India, Hyderabad
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Dear Satish,
What is the process of UAN in the case of an ERP trust? Do they get a UAN number?
Also, I have not actually signed the Infosys EPF form regarding my account. Can I inform my new company that I have not worked in any company with EPF contributions?
From India, Kolkata
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What is the process of UAN in the case of an ERP trust? Do they get a UAN number?
Also, I have not actually signed the Infosys EPF form regarding my account. Can I inform my new company that I have not worked in any company with EPF contributions?
From India, Kolkata
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Satish,
I don't want to reject my provident fund amount in my new company. Is it possible to just open a new PF account with my new company along with a new UAN? I don't reckon that I actually have a UAN with Infosys previously as I have not signed any PF form with Infosys. They may deduct my PF, and I also don't want it back. Let them keep my money. I am more interested in my new company. Can I say that I have not worked in any other EPF company before? Generate me a new UAN and a new PF. That's it! I am not rejecting my PF money with this new company. I know that if I opened a PF once, I have to opt for it every time. Plus, my basic salary is certainly not more than 15k. Thank you.
Just to make something clear, can Infosys generate a UAN number in my name without my signature, etc.?
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From India, Kolkata
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I don't want to reject my provident fund amount in my new company. Is it possible to just open a new PF account with my new company along with a new UAN? I don't reckon that I actually have a UAN with Infosys previously as I have not signed any PF form with Infosys. They may deduct my PF, and I also don't want it back. Let them keep my money. I am more interested in my new company. Can I say that I have not worked in any other EPF company before? Generate me a new UAN and a new PF. That's it! I am not rejecting my PF money with this new company. I know that if I opened a PF once, I have to opt for it every time. Plus, my basic salary is certainly not more than 15k. Thank you.
Just to make something clear, can Infosys generate a UAN number in my name without my signature, etc.?
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From India, Kolkata
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