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Dear Sir, Please tell us the procedures for registration in Provident Fund departments of an organization having more than 20 employee. Thanks and regards CA. Praveen Gupta
12th August 2007 From India, Delhi
Hi Praveen,
U can click the following URL:
I hope that it would serve some purpose to u...
12th August 2007 From India, Madras
Hi Praveen,

Here is the details that you asked over citehr.

The formalities for ESI is you must have a strength of 20 employees, no matter whether they are getting salary more than 10000/- or lesser. As maxcimum ceiling of ESI contribution is upto 10000/- Gross/Month only. Those getting 10001/- will be exempted from the ESI.

Yes ESI and ESIC is same. ESIC stands for Employee State Insurance Corporation..

The Employer should get the Factory or Establishment registered with the ESI Corporation within 15 days of the applicability of ESI Act. The declaration of registration is to be filled in form 01, along with a separate sheet containing the name and address of the Establishment, number of employees, nature of duty and name, designation and address of the manager controlling such persons, in respect of office situated outside. After been satisfied with the application the ESI regional office will allot a code number to the employer.

After that only you can register your employees with the ESI. They have to fill up a declaration form FORM 1, written clearly Male or Female. All the declaration forms should be counter signed by the employer.

Then prepare a return of declaration in form 3 separate for Male & Female within 10 days of filling of declaration form.

Then every employee shall be alloted an temporary identification number.

For PF formalities the company must be 3 years old. After that only it can be registered with the PF department. Even for this Act also the minimum number of employee should be 20.

Every employer of an establishment to which the Employee Provident Fund Act applies, should submit in Form 5A(in duplicate) to the commissioner, particulars of all the branches and departments, owners, directors, partners if any or any other person who is controlling its affair within 15 days of its applicability of the scheme.

On receipt of Form 5A, the commissioner shall verify the particulars submitted and after been satisfied shall allot an Establishment Code No.

Hope now it will be very much clear with you.


Amit Seth.
12th August 2007 From India, Ahmadabad
Hi Amit,
I have got another doubt, if an organisation is deducting pf before getting itself registered, will that amount can be submitted after getting the establishment code no.
How much time does it take to get the company registered from the day of submitting all the documents.
Keeping in mind that all other eligibility criteria is fulfilled.
What to do for the organization where they are deducting the pf from employee and is not depositing the amount??
13th August 2007 From India, Delhi
Hi, How does organisation gives their employee a choice of getting their pf deducted or not?? How does they maintain the pf record? Is it legal to deduct pf for some? Sashmita
13th August 2007 From India, Delhi
Hi Sashmita..
As soon as a Company reaches the eligibility criteria.. it must be registered with the same.. Otherwise you are required to pay the penalty...
Generally it takes 10 to 20 days to get the registration...
Amit Seth.
15th August 2007 From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Amit, Thanks for your response, kindly also let me know, their are few companies, which give its employees a choice.. for pf deduction. Plz clarify. Thanks & Regards, Sashmita
16th August 2007 From India, Delhi
Dear Sashmita..
It happens mostly with those employees, who are getting more than 6500/- rupees as Basic.. they are generally asked for the consent.. Otherwise as far as i know if company is registered with PF department then definitely they have to update the list with new members after joining..
Amit Seth.
16th August 2007 From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Amit,
Please clarified below,
As tou mention company has to be 3 years old, which mean if any new start up company, with staff of 30 plus do not need to apply for provident fund upto 3 years.
Even after 3 year if you have total stenth of your permenent employee goes upto 10 / 15 individual and balance are just on probation did company need to go for provident scheme.
13th October 2007 From India, Mumbai
Dear Bankim,
After an amendment in the PF Act, now it is required to be registered with this Act, as soon as employee strength reaches 20 or more..
But if the number remains below 20 even after 5 years then it is not required to registered with the Act..
Amit Seth.
15th October 2007 From India, Ahmadabad
Hi Sowmya,
The url given by you shows old version and without any amendments. The official site of EPF:icon6:.
Can you plz give any url with amendment duly incorporated in it?
Thanks and Regards
24th November 2008 From India, Sirsa
Dear All, hi i have new join with this site. Pls any give me the current minimum wages (un-skilled, semi-skilled & skilled) of Delhi NCR. Regards Deepak.
3rd December 2008 From India, Delhi
Dear Amit,
I appreciate your patience in giving replies to queries about PF & ESI, your comments are very informative.
I have a Could you please let me know, what are all the documents required for PF and ESI registration?
Best Regards
21st May 2009 From India, Hyderabad
Dear all,
I have some confusion regarding the Provident Fund, as we know 12% of basic is been taken for PF and the contributions is 13.61% (employer) 12% (employee)side, so what amount is been kept with PF and what amount we will get if we withdraw? Is it double amount we will get?
Kindly help me out to understand.
9th June 2010 From India, Pune
my frnd is a general manager in a 3 star hotel, during his join he has not made any PF a\\c. now he is about to leave his job and will be joining to a new job. how can he collect PF from his old employer ? please help and i will be thankful if u send d reply sooner. thank u
11th July 2012 From India, Bangalore
Firstly an employee needs to have a PF Code which may be mentioned on his salary slip/pay slip, secondly if he has not filled any PF form he has to first enquire and ask if he has been alloted the PF No. or not, If yes he can even collect the PF WITHDRAWAL FORM from EPFO office and fill it and give it to the previous emplyee. But if he is joining somewhere else then his pf has to be transfered from his previous employer to the new employer, and for transfering, the new employer helps in doing the same,
Pls Note: to withdraw or transfer the pf amount, an employee must be aware about his pf number.
21st August 2012 From India, Chicalim
My company is US based and the india operations has been started only from last december and registration of india office is done only last year, so do we have to wait for 3 years to get completed for registered with PF or can we goahed with our 20 employees. please guide
31st August 2012 From India, Madras
Hi , I am working for a new company but no. of employees is 10. As per Requirement of a client , we need to register for a PF .
Please tell me procedure how to register for PF for a Organisation below 20 Employees.
Anil Kumar
21st March 2013 From India, New Delhi
Dear Sir, Please tell us the procedures for registration in Provident Fund departments of an organization having more than 20 employee.
23rd September 2013 From India, Delhi
Dear Amit
I have one doubt, my company has lost its PF registration certificate. And now I have apply for PF registration certificate, kindly give me the letter format and to whom I need submit in Labour Office. Do they charge anything for this..??
6th February 2015 From India, Hyderabad
I have one doubt, my company has lost its PF registration certificate. And now I have to apply for duplicate PF registration certificate, kindly give me the letter format and to whom I need to submit in Labour Office. Do they charge anything for this..??
6th February 2015 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Amitji
I m currently working from last 6 month and i was paid PF from the my first month join but till day i not getting my pf number and ESI card and all other employee also not getting same so,Now what i do ?
please suggest me
Manoj kasariya
7th July 2015 From India, Vadodara
Dear Sashmita, Please tell me in PF how much time taken to apply registration after 20 employee and tell also document requirement for file. reply me as soon as possible. thanks... Deepak
20th July 2015 From India, New Delhi
Dear Mr. Amit;
Is there any notification available, that supports the said criteria of 3 years of incorporation and minimum of 20 employees for PF? How can I find the soft copy of that notification if available?
11th August 2015 From India, Vapi
Hi Mr Seth What can I do if my Employer refuse to register employees for provident fund, esp. since we are a factory who export overseas and make millions every month?
19th September 2016 From South Africa, undefined
@Reena take a print out of Form 5A from ECR portal it is similar to Registration Cerficate for any purpose
29th September 2016
In case of number of employees is less than 20 and Employer & Employees wishes to take benefits of provident fund, then Voluntary provident fund registration is applicable along with the consent of all the existing employees.
12th November 2016 From India, Delhi
Click Here To Know How An Employer Can Register For EPFO EPF Registration New Company,Online Epf Registration For Employer
16th December 2016 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sir, Can we register mannualy upfo for employer, if yes , let me tell how. Utpal
23rd June 2017 From India, Kolkata
Here is a complete guide to register a new establishment in unified PF portal How To Do EPF Registration For New Company In 2017
10th July 2017 From India, Hyderabad
Can HR Manager of a company provide his details as an employer while registering for PF code online???
20th January 2018 From India, Mumbai
Hi Dear,
Go to this link and check it <a href="">Provident Fund Registration Online in India - EPF Registration</a>
24th January 2019 From India, New Delhi
Hi Dear,
Go to this link and check it Provident Fund Registration Online in India - EPF Registration
24th January 2019 From India, New Delhi
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