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My dear Friends,
Besides Body Language, reading and understanding one's character and nature from the appearance is another technique. This will be very useful for HR professionals while interviewing candidates and even after recruitment.
What is being practiced by me successfully is shared with my friends here in CiteHR and I hope this will give them new insight and impetus.
My friend Ms.Umarajendr in cite HR prompted me in response to my PPT Rapid Rapport Building to present the PPts in small letters and not in Capital letters which I have been following now - no comments from her.
As usual, please let me have your comments my dear friends.
Happy viewing.
Respects & Regards.
R.Ganesh
2nd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur

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My dear Mr.Avinash,

I am extremely thankful for your mail just pouring out your feelings and comments on my PPt. I just want such mails from experts like you in the realms of Training & Development with true comments so that more light will be turned on to the subject dealt with. I appreciate you, Sir, you have also visited my profile to see and assess as to whom am I before writing your mail.

Exceptions are not examples and my friend my eye ball is also not black! Since a few persons survive Cancer, we cannot ask the medical professionals not to call it as Terminal Disease. What I have given in the PPt are just ]indicative and I am sure every one will agree they cannot be taken as it is without making further probe through a few questions. When we find some one with watery eyes with less clarity we have to ask the person whether he is suffering from any disease and if the answer is "no, it is natural with me", then we have to decide with reference to this notion. We are all professionals and we get so many such matters and materials from experts who give them through their speeches / books and articles. I have done the same thing - what I learned from those experts and after putting them into practice to know for myself the verity of it and just wanted to share with the fraternity in citeHr. I have a nose which is, as per the chart furnished, said to be that of a cunning person! One should be clever and cunning in this competitive world and why, how, when and with whom the person turns cunning is what matters. I did not feel offended on reading it. In fact I have indicated from where I have taken that (comical) chart, which I though would be useful to those who begin with such readings. Those who suppress their thoughts and do inner fighting tend to bite their teeth whatever medical term we give to it. Even the jaws of the persons using chewing gum will have some movements which does not mean the person is grim and having mental ailments.

Professionals like us must take these things as indicative and through our observations skills combining body language and inputs given like this should arrive at a decision, which may even go wrong later on. But the success ratio should be taken into consideration.

Let me tell you again my friend, what I have given are just indications which I got not through my occult powers and got them from oracle voices but from books written by experts. Every one will agree that this is not Bible or Gita to take it as it is and we need to go further on this to arrive at a decision.

Body language is also a technique through which we infer so many meanings and some times they may go wrong. It does not mean that a specific body language which is said to convey a specific message is wrong for ever.

In fact a few things I have not indicated as they may offend some but to me they are admirably hard Truths. A few indications over the body and appearance may happen due to diseases and accidents but what is more important in such techniques is to know whether they are congenital or not.

Several books on Numerology tell us that people born on such and such dates, months and period will be like this, like that and so on and those books are not rejected by people. Some predictions may be right and some may go wrong totally appearing irrelevant to us. We cannot set aside the book itself as rubbish. I have personally taught several such techniques to my trainees combining body language, NLP and indicated in ancient books and the results are amazing but for certain failures here ad there - may be due to wrong and improper inference.

I once again thank you for your frank, free and healthy comments and making me to come out with this explanation.

With respects and regards,

R.Ganesh
3rd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
My friends,
The PPt of mine on Character Reading is based on books "Character Reading Made Easy" by R.Robinson - Jaime Publications,
"Art of Love in the Orient" written by an Indian Author which I don't remember now, "Tholkaapiam" written by a Tamil Scholar and Saint Tholkappiar and several other sites in Net.
What is important to me is that in my experience, these inputs worked so amazingly and whatever I find successful I would like to share it with my fraternal here in CiteHr.
Regards.
R.Ganesh
3rd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
Mr Ganesh
These look like personal observations without any scientific or research base. I am afraid this kind of communication is dangerous for the gullible as it will introduce a bias in their approach. Some of your observations are quite contrary to the common medical and anthropological knowledge. For example only people with black and brown color are good others are not (slide 8). Do you want to say the whole Aryan and Caucasian race is crook? The person with projection at back (slide 6) has extra knowledge. The seat of knowledge is in front and not back. The sensory abilities are at the back (refer the parts of brain - cerebrum is in front and cerebellum and medulla oblongata are at back and do not handle knowledge.
If you have done any design of experiment please let the community know. And if you have done why CITEHR, you should report in NATURE or SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN. Let it be part of human body of knowledge.
Prof Ajay
3rd October 2011 From Malaysia, Sintok
Dear Doctor Prof. Ajay,

I fully agree with your views Doctor. I have clearly indicated that these things are based on a few books and my personal experience when applied in day-to-day life. Most of the members in Cite HR are Professionals in different fields like you and certainly are not gullible and they would certainly apply their intellect to test the verity of it.

You will kindly appreciate that I have just shared my knowledge and skill gained on this score and it is up to the individuals to perceive it and apply. In fact, I was unable to go elaborate in my presentation as the size of the presentation will become huge. I also do have a little knowledge on human anatomy and you will kindly agree and appreciate that extra knowledge and skillful application of matters relating to sensory can be more in such persons which we bring them under the gambit of soft skills.

I am really fortunate to have comments from people like you which would facilitate designing my PPt with more clarity sans ambiguity in future.

Nice of you to have allocated some time to go through the PPt and write a mail to me.

Regards.

Ganesh
3rd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
I completely agree with what you are saying about body language.

"Body language is also a technique through which we infer so many meanings and some times they may go wrong. It does not mean that a specific body language which is said to convey a specific message is wrong for ever. "

But most of what you've mentioned in the ppts is not body language. It is physical/body traits ie genetics.

On the one had you say "Every one will agree that this is not Bible or Gita to take it as it is and we need to go further on this to arrive at a decision." while at the same time you say "In fact a few things I have not indicated as they may offend some but to me they are admirably hard Truths.". What are you saying exactly, is it the hard truth or do we need to go further?

Im sure even though your eyeballs are not black, you are an exception and most others are not, I'm sure u are glad to have a nose that makes you cunning, You may even think that neurology shouldn't be discarded. I believe that something like astrology, neurology and what is in your PPT may have its basis but is to simplistic. It's like saying the earth is the center of the universe. Many "experts" claimed that too, then experts claimed that the earth is not the center of the universe, now we know that both claims might be possible because we do not know the shape of the universe.



The only feelings I feel and express throught is disappointment that someone with your experience and wisdom can put such things across on a forum that so many people depend on to better their career and help improve peoples' lives. We as trainers should look beyond people's current limitations in their behavior, be as non-prejudice as we consciously can and help people improve.


One should be very careful when you stake your experience and reputation on such claims that you made. My issue with your ppt is that you didn't put all the disclaimers that there can be exceptions and to ask questions on medical issues.

Please do let us know which books and experts you referred to.
3rd October 2011 From India, Pune
Dear Ganesh Jee,
I agree with Prof Ajay and Mr. Avinash. Our physical appearance is mainly a function of the genetics from both father and mother. In broad terms, South Asians, Africans, East Asians, all are different and have soem peculiar physical characteristics. Before downloading your ppt, I was expecting a substantial contribution based on your experience type stuff. For instance, a person's behavior with colleagues, dressing, managing his/her table or office, participation in meetings, etc.
I am sorry, I belive that two people with same physical appearance could posses very different charecters, largely based upon their family background, education, society, etc.
Anyway, thanks for a thought provoking discussion that we have very good feedback from Prof Ajay and Avinash Jee.
Regards
Moin
3rd October 2011 From Pakistan
Intresting one Dear RAMANA Rg. may be your views are correct . experience never jedges wrong ;-) may be not 100 % but majority of the people are similer as said by you .. i think so ..:-)
3rd October 2011 From India, Hyderabad
Dear sir,
i will wait for 2nd part of ppt. Thanks for sharing very usual information. Another thing which you may add which is type of clothing weared by somebody,shoes,caps etc.
Would wait for your comments on the same.would love to have you as a part of our training team or as a guest lecturer.
Regards
sunil sharma
9323295702
mumbai
3rd October 2011 From India, Mumbai
Thank you Sunilji,
Definitely I will come as a Guest Lecturer. My second part will have all those things. My idea is that all cannot read all the books in different topics. We, the trainers, can read for them and share the cream of things with people like you. Once again thank you for the invitation and honour given to me.
With warm regards.
R.Ganesh
3rd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
A ppt to learn from. Watching the features of a person has never struck me, nice to know that we can learn from these aspects too. People highly experienced in this area might have expery opinions however for beginnners it throws light into what can be looked at while looking at fellow humans of course perception varies and so does the methodology in which we interpret.
3rd October 2011 From India, Madras
HI Avinash,
Congrats on reading the article with wisdom and retorting to it with even greater wisdom.
As you again rightly mentioned, there are far too many people very gullible and easily infer things as the truth.
Your response is credible - firm, clear and shows wisdom!
3rd October 2011 From India, Mumbai
Dear All,
To me, the PPT is unscientific. All great men and women if you notice will fall in all categories. One cannot generalise an individual based based on the part of his body. Let members take their own decision whether to believe it or not.
Siva
3rd October 2011 From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Siva,
You are absolutely right my friend. Even while posting the PPt I just had this in mind. In fact, it applies to all who contribute and also to those who view and perceive the contents. My PPt is based on books I red, materials i came across and websites I visited. Initially I also set aside them as unscientific. However, when I applied this on people I met, most of these predictions interestingly found to be true. Hence I wanted to share this. No such cryptic and unscientific substances can be generalized and we cannot compel any one to believe for one single reason that I believed them.
Instead, a few friends became very wild and blamed me as if I mislead our learned and experienced professional friends here. My intention is to just share my thoughts and experience, as I have been doing, in this excellent site.
Thank you very much Mr.Siva for your fair comments.
Ganesh
3rd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
My dear Somya,
To me... yes. One has to cultivate this art of interpreting the physical features correctly by ably combining a few factors. As contradicted by a few friends, unless we find these true for ourselves, we cannot believe. Please try this for some time and know for yourself.
Regards.
ganesh
3rd October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
Its really useful and more or less the same when people here talk about genetics so how did they get those from their ancestors so they should understand that their nature also is depicted from the same.
3rd October 2011 From India, Mumbai
@Ramanarg, this is a lovely article though I will have to agree with Avinash as well. There is no conclusive way to judge something like character from mere appearance as exceptions exist to every rule..:)
3rd October 2011 From India, Bangalore
Hello,
I cannot discredit nor comment on what what you have experienced, but I can only gain some insight on it. However, what I believe is that someone shouldn't be judged in advance before they can proof their self-worth. I hope that everyone isn't clouded by the outer appearance or jump to conclusion that someone is of a certain character based on the genes that make them.
I do too agree with one of the commenter that some disclaimers should be included.
Thank you for sharing.
Best Regards,
Kerayzee
4th October 2011 From Malaysia, Penang
Firstly a simple thanks for your continued efforts to share tools in an effort to help others. This particular effort however, in my personal opinion, is not your best effort and really quite alarming. If we take for granted that most good organizations employ selection methods that ensure parity for applicants i.e each candidate navigates the same process and procedures allowing the recruiters to compare them against each other and of course in the final stages be subject to more subjective opinion regarding relationship match with line managers and other colleagues etc, I think your presented methodology has just put the industry back 50 years.

Having spent many years as a police officer and being drilled to not submit to my 'gut instinct' or 'stereotyping' and studied such academically, the content of the powerpoint is the equivalent to whichcraft, old wives tales and potentially the basis of a law suit should candidates discover that their failure in the selection process was attributed to one of the characteristics cited. Consider scenario:

Final three candidates, having successfully completed a 2 day selection process with equal results are presented to the panel of selectors. Each again score equally to the questions presented but you have only one position available. With this powerpoint in your toolbag you suggest that the first candidates eyes were blue, the second had a broad nose and the third a head that doesn't fit the inverted oval template. You make your decision on the only thing that you think sets them apart and you provide honest feedback at the conclusion of the selection process. Think about it!

Although our gut instincts and stereotypes cannot be ignored, for they are what nature provided us for self-protection, we should be happy that we have come out of the cave and have developed systems of selection that wouldn't dare include any of the characteristics shown in the ppt. I wouldn't have promoted you for your effort but found a suitable course of study that would harness your interst and benefit the company.

Please consign your atavistic powerpoint to the museum it came from and continue your valuable contributions in the modern light of day.
4th October 2011 From Vietnam, Hanoi
Recently there was an article in Times of India as the research/study shows "people with embarassment will be much reliable and dependable even at bad times".
4th October 2011 From India, Mumbai
Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for your kind appreciation on my efforts to share my thoughts with the Society. I am very much indebted to Mr.Avinash, Dr.Ajay Chowhan, Mr.Chris and now your goodself for your kind mails making constructive comments with logical reasoning. My intention is that the benefits that I derived out of any technique should go to my friends also and had you all not countered my efforts like this, people may not put these techniques to test but may accept as it is or set aside as rubbish.

We are coming across so many techniques, methodologies, practices through books, internet and in training programs/workshops and some impress us and some not. These techniques impressed me after putting them into practice which I just shared. In fact, when I addressed the police official in Tuticorin during my workshop i shared this technique which was well received by police officers. However, through repeated mails it is not possible for any one to ably answer the queries and comments - and I leave this matter as it is. However, Sir, the points raised by you and that of my other friends are well taken and in right perspective.

Definitely I will keep sending my creations so as to share my thoughts on the different interesting topics in the days to come.

I feel elated and honoured that people of your standing and reputation are taking this much pain and time in commenting on my PPt.

With profound regards and respects,

R.Ganesh


4th October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
Mr Ganesh

The positive point about your PPT is the starting of a discussion. You have compiled your presentation with years of observation but allow me to put things in perspective for the people who are trying to improve their career through material available on this site.

The character of a person is known only through his behavior (decisions and actions) and communication (verbal and non verbal). What is important is "the use of body features" (we can call it body language) rather than "the body features". The use of body language is through
1. facial expressions
2. body movements and postures
3. gestures
4. eye contact
5. touch
6. space
7. voice

The body features are decide by heridity and genes and the physical exposure (climate, accident, sickness and health etc). Your postulate of associating body features with character is equivalent of postulating that genes carry the character.

May be some more thought process has to go in to it. Mr Avinash's comments may be harsh but if I am not mistaken, this is what he wants to say.

I hope my suggestions contribute to the improvement of your ppt. There are many studies on body language. May be apt to refer to them.

Best Regards,

Prof Ajay
4th October 2011 From Malaysia, Sintok
Mr. Ajay,
If you don't agree with Mr. Ganesh its your choice and your opinion but whatever he is mentioned in his PPT is very true and to judge the way you are telling will take months years or even decades because everybody is not the same and to judge at the first instinct we have to see the facial features eyes, nose, etc. his ways of dressing, talking , sitting and a lot more depict how the person is at the first instance and in today's world where crime, bad people, people whom we can never trust are very common i think everybody should know about this skill may be we can be wrong in some cases but that would be exceptional and not always,

and going about your ways of judging people is judging them in due course of time through their behavior which would not be beneficial if any wrong person is trusted or if any destruction happen after joining.
4th October 2011 From India, Mumbai
Thank you Doctor,
It is little solace to me that at least you mentioned that our friend Mr.Avinash's comments are harsh. I am 55 and I have counselled hundreds of people for their mental ailments, thwarted suicide attempts of many besides treating many through Reiki - the holistic touch theraphy. I meet minimum 100 people a month in my Training Programs - from Students to Corporate employees of all ages and gender and no one has been this much harsh to me!! :-). Anyways, this must be his way of telling.
Thanks for your additions.
With regards & respects,
R.Ganesh

4th October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
Hello, friends .
I have worked for Domonos pizzza india ltd in 2005 for 5 months.
So I just want to know can i withdrawl my pf amount for just 5 months and after a long period..
Plz suggest me.
thanks
Vijay Gupta
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4th October 2011 From India, Ambala
Dear Ganesh,
Would love to add you in my professional network & meet you personaly. If you don mind may i have your contacts detail please.
Regards
Sunil Sharma
Manager HR Recruitment
9323295702

4th October 2011 From India, Mumbai
i totally back Avinash in this. I usually dont comment on posts, just take in the good ones and ignore the bad ones, but couldn't help but comment on this as i find it the most illogical observations or assumptions!!!
4th October 2011 From India, Thrissur
Yes, I have my profile in linkedin. Sure Sonal I will do that. Regards. Ganesh

4th October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
The most positive aspect of this ppt is that it has led to a very informative discussion on the subject. The post of Dr Ajay Chauhan #33, sort of summarises the whole issue. Ofcourse, I dont agree with his observation that the comments of Mr Avinash was harsh. He has simply put forth his points forcefully. The post of Mr Steveoihanoi is also informative. Thanks for giving opportunity for such a lively discussion.
4th October 2011 From India, Madras
Yes... pugazh... none of my previous PPts fetched me this much comments.... including many adverse comments and it has paved way for a healthy discussion. However, the force shown by our friend Avinash was akin to the helicopter shot of Dhoni !! Romba Naala I was thinking of touching this subject Pugazh.. and I did not think ipdi athu dhul kelappumnu.
Thank you very much for sharing your views.
Regards.
Ganesh
4th October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
Yes Dear Ramanarg this was a Wonderfull Ppt. All depends on the view of the watcher but personnaly opining I liked it Very Much! Thanks A Lot again n do share us the series of this Ppt in the future.
Harish M. Mody
BPP Co-ordinator,
Laxmi Diamond Pvt. Ltd.
6th October 2011 From India, Surat
Dear Ganesh
It is really good to see the ppt and also the feedback received from many friends. You have not only given the ppt but also opend all our eyes to see the things in different ways. Keep it up
regards
Alphonse

9443625359
11th October 2011 From India, Madras
yes, Mr.Alphonse. Thank you very much for your response. What have been given in the ppts are extract from a few books which are put into my experience and found amazingly true. There may be some exceptions as there will be in always with any other such techniques.
Since I am little busy with our labour talks, I am unable to proceed with my 2nd episode. I will come out with it soon.
Regards.
R.Ganesh
11th October 2011 From India, Tiruppur
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