Management Consultant/business Advisor
Dr. Jogeshwar Mahanta
Principal Hr Consultant (ohs&w)
Handwriting Analysis, Employee Relations,
Student - Hr Professional
Project Management, Client Engagement, Revenue
Hr Systems Adviser
Senior Hr Officer
I like to suggest you on this statement that HR people are Boring? .
The statement what you state is wrong. the major challenges faced in the organisation is only be the HR people i the organisation. HR manager are nowadays very much worried about the attrition rate and other new challenges like workforce diversity, innovation and other aspects. when they have such challenges, the problem here is they have to be active and should know all the things around and they dont have routine activities.Also they have to meet and manage people and not other assets of the organisation, and since people are changing, the job of HR is also changing.
the next thing is like HR people doesnot have any entertainment value. Obviously i cannot suggest on this topic since I am a student and also i am not well aware of this. The regard is like entertainment differs from person to person and not departments
hope my answer replied tour question
16th June 2005 From India, Madras
16th June 2005 From India, Vadodara
thank you. oo
16th June 2005
i second everyone...
HR mgrs cant put up a grim face....coz they have to retain n motivate....il run away from the company if my boss is like tht
n entertainment value? lol....u mean like singing and dancing? :lol: ...hihihihihih...sorry..cldnt resist. the HR manager wer i worked was charming n smart. he always made it a point to say goodmornin with a huge smile to everyone he met while coming... n i guess was liked by ALL (i dunnno abt his entertainment value)
but i guess ther is no way tht statement is true
hey vishal,,,,who told u this?
16th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
I love it! Previously I worked in middle management/senior management and a litle time in Executive roles. This was all good too, but HR has been great. Don't think I'm regarded as boring, and my colleagues certainly aren't.
Enjoy what you do - be proud of it!
17th June 2005 From Australia, Ballarat
In general, I wouldn't say HR is anywhere near boring, in fact it is the most interesting journey being a HR practitioner. For one, it is about life. The life of an organisation. You know...the "people makes the organisation" kind of saying....
I've done recruitment between 1986 to 1992. The thing we learn or we experienced in doing these functions are getting the 'right' people in the organisation, trying to fit in the right people into the right position. This is a challenge in itself, there's nothing boring in doing recruitment. You need all the analytical skill to understand the job spec and the men spec before an interview and during the interview I always look forward to meet the next candidate to see whether the next one could be 'the one'.
In 1992 until 1996 I'm involved in the developing and implement a HR system, another interesting area where we work towards dateline, doing data flow, but most of all is looking at how HR functions being translated electronically.
After the project I started doing training, training people how to use the system, training is another interesting area where we need to learn the techniques of disembarking knowledge, not just on the system, but also in HR. That I did for 2 years. Then came the Y2K thing. In HR, I'm involve with Business Continuity Plan where it's criticality is very high. Payment of salary, provide the services of HR to our customer.
In 2000, I again involve in Recruitment, what I thought a boring area (as I've done this before), again it get me excited as these days the people are very much intelligent. The candidate are all about quality and I started to learn more about people all walks of life.
Now I am in Discipline section, which again very interesting. The need to understand the Labour Law, Collective Agreement is a new challenge.
So my work makes me become an interesting person. So many things to talk about. Sometimes I do tend to look boring to certain people because all these years in HR, we tend to 'know' people much more, and to know some are not sincere, some are just plain conmen. Can't help it, it comes with the job, I become a better judge of people by their looks.
So, hop on the wagon, be in HR, learn about ourselves. It's worth it, and most of all...have fun!!!
17th June 2005 From Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
I have also come across people from other depts tell that HR is 'Unproductive' but I have not heard of boring. If a person has to be adjudged boring/snob it is his personality and not the influence of the job.
Iam not very sure of the HR in the resourcing dept. but i can definately talk about myself in Core HR. Here whether you like it or not you have to be good to people and put on your smile.
I have lots of respect towards the HR not just because iam in the HR dept but the kind of personality they are required to be. I always compare the job of the HR to the role of a MOTHER.
A Mother even before giving birth she has to be so pure. In the sense that, she feels by doing or thinking negetive it might affect the baby. She has to be so careful just because her baby is secure. Similarly, a HR has to be so pure in mind because if they start feeling or thinking negetive about the company that will start reflecting in their work and hence the whole environment gets diluted.
Day in Day out they have to resolve problems, make the work place a better place to work, see that every body are happy and needs are met. Even a mother takes care of their children in a similar way.
A mother should have a balance between her actual self and the role she is expected to play. She might have lots of feelings like let's party tonight or let me go out with my friends; but then she realises that there are innocent eyes who are longing to see me, to play with me and to love me. Similarly, to an HR there might be so many things in their mind like let me blast my superior if he does not give me a good increment, let me break the rules atleast once and so on. But then suddenly we need to realise that there are somebody who have taken us as their guide. people see you as their mentor since the HR is responsible for peoples careers.
One more thing that is common to both is that They may be have lots of people in the world for them, but they are the world to somebody.
iam sorry if iam too emotional, but i just could not control this.
17th June 2005 From India, Bangalore
thanx for your effective views....some encouragement....for people who are burning out....my views were based on what i felt....on the job....& some of my friends who comented on it....i still have to go a long way to understand h.r fully... keep up the good work by posting such nice comments....
17th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
It all depends on how you tend to perceive a person as a professional .. I may seem boring to you, I may be pleasant and exciting to somebody else ..
You may wish to analyze - (1). Your Perception, (2). Your Expectations, (3). Your Learning & Experience, (4). The Environment, (5). The Work life, (6). The Various Pressure Groups, (7). The Psychological and Behavioural aspects of 'HR Professional' etc. before concluding if someone is 'Really' boring or is it a question of 'Perceptions' and personal points of view ..
I am just giving you example cases .. please try to compare these professions with that of HR .. Accountancy & Finance Control, Civil Engineering, Molecular Biology Research .. can't you find 'boring' professionals in other fields by your own yardsticks ..
Well .. if you have noticed .. we are 'Human' Resource professionals. At times one can tend to be real boring .. I agree ! They exist in all other professions.
Have you read articles of Sunayna (She's in HR) ? Hey Sunayna .. can you forward your Sardaar jokes page please .. :wink:
Dear Soms .. I could not resist differing on just one aspect. I fully agree with you .. . but beg you pardon for saying that HR Professional could be a 'father' also (like me) .. :D
17th June 2005 From India, Pune
You have already received several cotradictions. But my focus is somewhat different. Challenge seeking is an unhealthy predisposition. Instead, cultivate:-
4.Creative intelligence and
5. Diffusability(abilty to diffuse tension, within and without).
Second, birds of same feather flock together. You have boredom susceptible friends too. Join them who are contradicting you here.
17th June 2005 From India, Delhi
hi thesysthink... thnk u.... i guess vishal shd chk out the humor section...ther r some really fun stuff by HR ppl :D
hey soumya.....its ok...even i cldnt stop being emotional.... :wink:
n soumya and thesysthink..lets settle...HR ppl are like parents....rather guardians. :)
hey vishal, HR accd to me is the best amongst all...compare it with..finance....
thought...mktg seems glamorous....its real hard work at the start(or so ive heard... n its vast)
IT....i like too...but thn again ..it has its own downfalls.
so unless u get to be the boss....HR is pretty good..wtsay?
17th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Thank you .. Even I posted a HumoR Article today .. (till now I was just a silent visitor in HumoR) .. :D !
And Dear Soumya .. that was just a joke (I really understand how it feels when we try to do something good .. and treated always as second Citizen in organization .. ) But I always try to start any post with a smiling face. Yes, Sunayna - We are Guardian Angels .. :twisted: :shock: :? :D
Marketing is not at all Glamourous .. this I heard from my good friends who are marketers now .. Yes, one aspect is there that I wish to point out - HR is often underpaid than their counterparts ..
Sunayna .. what about Pic HumoR's .. like this one ..
17th June 2005 From India, Pune
welll....cheers...n welcome to the active HumoR section.. we are looking fwd for more articles and fun stuff
i think pic msgs are real fun..well a picture is worth a thousand words...but it takes a lot of time to upload :roll: ...lol...so i stay away from thm....
n vishal...do tell us ur worries..ther are a lot of ppl who will help
17th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Those individuals who work in the HR area focus on human issues as they confront the interface between human beings and elements of a company. How could that be boring? We confront as many opportunities as we do humans; we're all different, aren't we?
I often Counsel new MBA candidates on areas of opportunity.
I have maintained for the last three years or so that the pursuit of HR--especially in areas of both Organizational Development, and Organizational Behavior (or Behaviour, if you choose the alternate spelling)--offer a true, longer-term, stable and focused future with a fairly well-defined career pathway.
Within the next 10 to 15 year horizon, any type of HR position in which there is to be a moderated or modulated interaction between humans and companies, humans and company departments, or humans and other humans, offers great opportunity.
Burnout? In Organizational Behavior, we study a variety of methods to avoid/reverse burnout, and not only Counsel others in those methods, but utilize them ourselves!
One caveat I would offer is this; anyone active in HR areas must be what we used to call a "people person"...an individual who appreciates and embraces the human elements of interaction.
To have someone in an HR position that does not immediately appreciate human foibles, instantly and correctly assess human opportunity, and consummately enjoy human interaction demonstrates poor positional placement on the part of the employer.
As to being boring, I don't see myself as boring at all. Others don't call me boring. Friends don't call me boring. Consults don't call me boring, and they pay my fees--generally on time. I know a host of HR people, and I don't think I've ever thought of them as boring.
Hm. I'll take a poll of my friends and see if anyone thinks I'm boring. I'm sure that will be a truly scientific poll. I'll get back to you and let you know the result. Or perhaps I should publish it as a study, and sell the results.
All kidding aside, no, I vote that HR people are not boring.
Alan Guinn, Managing Director (not a boring MD)
The Guinn Consultancy Group, Inc. (not a boring company)
17th June 2005 From United States, Bluff City
Well Said .. I think HR is the only perceivable arena of Management in which we (HR) Professionals are expected to show respect towards Human dignity, understand and respect the Individual differences, have some element of Ethical perspectives, expected to have some sense of Justice and 'On the Records' these are parts of our KRA .. its just my opinion.
I do a lot of Grievance counselling .. and its really satisfying to hear from people that alright .. this fellow is unable to solve my problems as of now, at least he's trying to share my burden. It pays for itself .. If I'm boring who will care ..
Also .. If you are HR Person, your behaviour will be marked even outside the Organization and will be taken note of .. this may not be true for a Finance guy or an Engineer ..
:D I was just wondering .. Can we get any such Lab in any other profession where we learn so much about Human Behaviour - the most unpredictable facet of life !! (Alan, do you use T-Groups and Grid OD's?)
18th June 2005 From India, Pune
This is not true. Burningout has nothing to do with the HR function. Neither is the generalisation that people in HR are boring.
Interestingly the amount if Networking HR does these days is higher than or close to that done by Sales.
Difference - Sales does it with a vested interested HR does it to share and learn. We need to bring in a culture of networking aggressively and for a reason, keeping relationships and deriving value from the other while giving value as well.
For example - I have written this mail to you. You have the opportunity to find out what I do and for me to know what you do. There could be a job opportunity waiting for us on either end. There coud be a piece of information which we need which is urgently required etc or there could be something as simple as friendship or a long term association.
Being boring is down to the individual.
HR activities mundane - there are issues here. 60% of HR time goes in HR Admin activities. This needs to stop. For this HR has to improve processes and take aid of software which allows them to then focus on strategic activities more.
Keep in touch and rejuvinate yourself by seeing if there is a better approach. The greatest people are those who adapt with changing environment and tackle it likewise.
20th June 2005 From India, Bangalore
I am unable to find consistency when Vishal says that there is no challenge in his life on the other he says "that is the problem i am the boss....so i hav all the worries in d world"
However, boredom susceptibility is one of the 4 components of Sensation seeking personality. The other three are adventure seeking, disinhibition and experience seeking. Boredom susceptibilty may also be due to brain wave anomaly- predominantly desynchronised theta (4 to 8 cycles per second).
20th June 2005 From India, Delhi
i am very thankful to you for following through the discussion....but may i request you to please post your views on the topic in more simple language....as i am finding it difficult to comphrend your views, please allow me to grasp your knowledge....so that i find solutions to the issues...
when i said that i felt burnout...it was just an expression....i wanted to knw what others thought on the issue.......as a human being people tend to loose focus...so i think there is nothing wrong in me loosing a little bit of focus....thatz the reason i infact started the debate....to knw wat people thought on my views.... i hope u got my point....we can still dicuss on the issue..... as the forum is open...
20th June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Dear friends and Vishal,
The above quote is from a post of CHR. So those who have not noticed and think that citehr is merely a discussion community, are missing the real goal, the ultruism. My posts are always prepared keeping this goal in mind and I shall continue to do so within the limit of my capabilty.
However, to be helped one needs receptivity also. The qualities are abilty to comprehend, memory, intuition, tenacity and non-complacency.
Vishal! if you are unable to comprehend any of my posts you are most welcome to seek any number of clarifications but you must be sure that you really need to be helped. Otherwise, it will be just wastage of time and energy of both
In this thread I have posted only two messages. One is remedial and the other is descriptive. Without altering the messages I can clarify those as lucidly as you like. That is absolutely not a problem but are you sure to be helped?
If you are sure to be helped I am asking just 2 questions in the next post. Please answer honestly.
21st June 2005 From India, Delhi
Here are two questions. Please answer honestly.
Q. No.1. Betwwen the following two desires, which one you are inclined to choose?
A. Let God descend to my side.
B. Let me ascend to the side of God.
Q. No2. Rviewing your life till date, by and large your inclinations resemble to which desire in question No.1?
21st June 2005 From India, Delhi
my simple request was that you use simple english & not technical jargaon... so that i am able to understand what has been posted by you...& if applicable benefit from that....there was nothing else to it other than that.....so please use a more simple language...so that evry one benefits from your views,....
21st June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Can you find a simpe word for brain wave? Can you find simple words for brain wave frequencies? Can you find simple words for sensation seeking?
I have told you that i can clarify you as lucidly as you like. This offer is not acceptable to you. So I am undone. Bye.
21st June 2005 From India, Delhi
An appropriate reply to this would have been asking Vishal what he's finding difficult to understand.
I personally do not see any reason to get mad or hurt over a simple request. Again we need to clarify what exactly is difficult to understand.
Please try to be a little more polite with other members. We are not here to prove anything rather we are here to share whatever knowledge we have.
Thanks and regards,
21st June 2005 From India, Gurgaon
I WAS FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOT OF TERMS USED IN THE DISCUSSION....BY DR.MAHANTA, SO I JUST REQUESTED FOR A SIMPLER VERSION OF HIS VIEWS.....SO THAT THE DISCUSSION I STARTED PROVES PROFITABLE TO ME.....I AM SORRY IF HE IS OFFENDED....AS HE SEEMS TO BE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTER...
21st June 2005 From India, Mumbai
Honestly speaking I am not at all offended nor was there any reason for you to feel sorry. It was a question of get going something. You wanted in the way it could have been convenient to you which I found was not possible for me. So I suggested alternative. This was not covenient for you. So I expressed my inabilty. That is all. So where is the question of offending and feeling sorry?
So far, I do not think think that I am a "valuable contributor".
21st June 2005 From India, Delhi
Answer to the Above : No I don't Think they are boring
I have been seeing though that some people are putting in personal remarks for other members.. I think that should not be done on the board... Instead if you want to say something personally to a member... it would be better that a personal post be posted to that member..
Oh ho... I sound more like a legal person :twisted: by the post I drafted.. Not at all like a HR guy... right :lol:
22nd June 2005 From India, Ahmadabad
This issue of boredom seems to me a very relative thing, I think it depends on the desposition of the personality saddled with the task of Human Resources within the system.
I believe strongly that HR is one of the most versartile careers/professions anyone can take-up, this is because it involves human-beings-which of cause are expected to be dynamic in everything they do.
In line with the above it is the duty of the HR person to see that he/she is not boring in the first place talkless of effecting others with this feeling.
Most times I advice HR practitioners to get involved in seemingly related tasks around the office-they could serve on the Marketing Committee, Project Coordination Committee, Event Management duties etal.
In addition the HR tasks are so interesting on their own that if they are well understood the HR department would the envy of every employee of any given Company-these range from Welfare through to Diversity Management, Compensation Administration, Alert Scheduling, Employee Development/Training, Employee Relation/Arbitration...
The bottomline I believe is who occupies the position of HR at any particular period would determine the rythym/velocity/tempo and how it affects the general pool of staff... for me I am a very vibrant Practitioner.
22nd June 2005 From Nigeria, Lagos
there is boredom in evey function and in every discipline it is up to the concerned person to make his/her profession exciting and intresting.boredom is not in the profession but it is with in the self.
let me give some examples
A sales guy may feel that his profession is the most dull and boring job as it involves lot of travel and interaction with people.
now look at the other side of the coin
Another guy may feel that travelling provides him the oppotunity to visit different places and interacting with different people is like reading different books which is quiet intresting
so it is only the perception of the people who doesnt understand the true value of the profession
I dont know wether i conveyed the message to you or not,i hope you will get it
22nd June 2005 From India, Hyderabad
22nd June 2005 From India, Mumbai
The question posted by u has been probably worded wrongly-BORING refers to the work content or the pofessional indidually?
Terming HR profession as borign isnt rite by ne means coz with HR gaining importance as a Strategic Business Partner in today's Knowledge centric technological era, the avenues n scope for work has increased tremendously...gone r the day swhen HR used 2 b a dull n boring profesion. i c it as the most vibrant n cretive area of work 2day. m nt saying this jsut coz m passionate 2wards my profession n my job, bt thats wat i've xperienced n seen. the difference this function can create into teh lives of people is beyound measure. A well led, strategically functioning, highly chargedup n talented HR team can brign an upturn in a slow moving organisation n on the other hand a poorly manged HR department can be the cause of the debaccle of n organsiation 2!
With such stupendous power, u still feel HR as a profession is boring?
probably u can say that P&A activities that r a part of HR r boring but not entire HR. n if we talk of today's robust HR, its by no ways boring...
bt it depends 2 a great extent in the kind of organisation u r working, teh team around, scope 4 HR , support by top management n ur own passion n luv 4 the profession.
23rd June 2005 From India, Chennai
MY VIEWS ARE NOT TOWARDS H.R PROFFESION....BUT TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE THE PROFFESION....MOREOVER DEAR IT WAS JUST AN EXPRESSION....WHICH MIGHT HAV TURNED INTO A BELIEF ...IF PEOPLE LIKE U & OTHERS... HAD NOT POSTED THEIR PRECIOUS VIEWS...
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK... :lol:
23rd June 2005 From India, Mumbai
I do not agree with this as boredom can be denoted as a personal trait of HR professional who deals the functions of HR in an unpleasant manner otherwise HR ppeople are the most pleasant people as they are the ones that new comers/ existing employees/employers feel comfortable with them when they face a problem / issue and discuss with them easily.
Since the role of HR is not limited to hiring / firing or related to recruitment only as HR people are the ones who develop the culture of an organization that is acceptable/ adabptable/ flexible so how could such people be boring when there is change involved at every stage and in every role that he/ she takes on.
In keeping the above HR people know the psyche of the employees and employer as well so it is their way of tackling matters while knowing the business strategy and being a partner in the solutions of an organization in a positive and productive way.
So I do not agree to the notion that HR people are the boring people...
23rd June 2005