Hi Srionline4all
I appreciate your meticulousness and the trouble you go through for being an active, exceptional recruiter.
I hope Indian recruiters emulate these qualities.
From India, Delhi
1426I appreciate your meticulousness and the trouble you go through for being an active, exceptional recruiter.
I hope Indian recruiters emulate these qualities.
- As a recruiter we need to update ourselves... improve the screening skills... have a complete information on what exactly is happening in the market (w.r.t our domain area)... Know the basics of technology if not coding and all. For example we work in the healthcare domain in USA and we have the complete information of the same. Like who are the major players in this field, how are they faring in their projects, what are the technologies they use, what are the projects they have already worked on… I mean all these things help you in screening the resume… and we are a CMMI L5 and there is no margin for errors…
- These are the kind of things which differentiate between a passive recruiter/ a recruiter/ and an exceptional recruiter…
From India, Delhi
Dear Ash
With reference to your post :
Consider these facts :
My questions are :
(1) Why should not a candidate post multiple resumes on a job-site or different job-sites ??
It enable him to send separate resumes suitable to a particular position in a particular company.
What is wrong with this ??
(2) Why should not people change their specialisation in the course of their career ??
For example Asha may have begun her career as a recruiter, she may like to change to a HR profile later on.
A Marketer who has done dual specialization in HR and Marketing, may later like to change over to HR.
Under these circumstances, she/he would definitely like to send a different CV which highlights the relevant deliverables.
That is why, I wrote earler that "Recruiters seem to forget that they too have been job-seekers once".
I have some other tangential thoughts too:
(3) Recruiters, like admen, should not play God. At times it is the company that makes or breaks people. I have seen good bright candidates, fizzle out in some un-imaginative, orthodox companies, whereas mediocre candidates making it big upon making some smart career moves.
I hate to say this, but recruiters are no more than match-makers; just like the marriage match-makers, who has no control over matrimonial heaven or hell, which the participants choose for themselves in due course of time, upon their own inter-action.
Regards.
From India, Delhi
With reference to your post :
Consider these facts :
- Many job portal has provision for uploading 3to 5 resumes.
- Many job-seekers change their functional areas esp. during the early stages of their career.
- Many Business Schools offer dual specializations.
- Many job=seekers have multiple specializations, like Engineering & MBA, Computers & Cost Accounting, even Medicine & MBA etc.
- These days many are taking sabbatical or mid-career breaks to pursue academics in their chosen area. On completion of course, they may prefer working in the new area.
My questions are :
(1) Why should not a candidate post multiple resumes on a job-site or different job-sites ??
It enable him to send separate resumes suitable to a particular position in a particular company.
What is wrong with this ??
(2) Why should not people change their specialisation in the course of their career ??
For example Asha may have begun her career as a recruiter, she may like to change to a HR profile later on.
A Marketer who has done dual specialization in HR and Marketing, may later like to change over to HR.
Under these circumstances, she/he would definitely like to send a different CV which highlights the relevant deliverables.
That is why, I wrote earler that "Recruiters seem to forget that they too have been job-seekers once".
I have some other tangential thoughts too:
(3) Recruiters, like admen, should not play God. At times it is the company that makes or breaks people. I have seen good bright candidates, fizzle out in some un-imaginative, orthodox companies, whereas mediocre candidates making it big upon making some smart career moves.
I hate to say this, but recruiters are no more than match-makers; just like the marriage match-makers, who has no control over matrimonial heaven or hell, which the participants choose for themselves in due course of time, upon their own inter-action.
Regards.
From India, Delhi
Dear Raj,
I do not personally worship the job boards or happy about the fact that they provide options for uploading more than one profile of the candidate - its after all business for them and increase in number of profiles. Infact now its not in recruiting just from job boards - but passove recruting which Employers are interested in.
Reg your questions:
a) On why a candidate should not post multiple resumes.
Why cant he have it all in one profile? So he thinks he will not be selected? So he KNOWS that he lacks somewhere?
Professional resume writers are seeked by job seekers - not employers. Reason: We dont want a candidate to submit a professionally written resume (which is mostly faked).The profile we see - and the candidate we screen over phone is totally different.
SOmetimes - when phone screening helps in the initial part - the direct meeting will just be a total "Failure"
2) No harm in one seeking change in course of career. For which - the person MUST not fake his resume by showing experience and responsibilities that were no way his portfolio. But he can chose to highlight his education in that area and his interest in pursing the specialization moving forward.
For instance - Asha as a Recruiter, wantign to take additional responsibilities in HR can mention her experience as "Possess experience in recruiting - as a consultant, and as a Corporate Recruiter. --and details related to recruitments and methods used"
Later Asha can mention that "Interested in taking assignments related to Training And PMS".
For this Asha cannot fake her resume and say she has been doing many things ;-)
Well my HR assistant had once uploaded her resume (in my previous company) with all the responsibilities of my head HR and manager. I could not help but laugh and called her and asked her what it was all about. She did feel bad, and I helped her later in preparign a resume that highlights her skills and help her go to the next level - but NOT by writing false statements.
Who stated that Recruiters are playing God? It probably appears that if a little bit of due diligence is done by the recruting team .... people are just not able to accept it?
Whats wrong in Recruiters being a match-maker (employer-employee) match maker? After all - Marriages are not meant to be broken. Same way the employer-employee relation (what a recruiter has in mind is) - not to be broken atleast for a few long years :-)
The question here is "How to find a fake resume"? Not why not to have different career opinions.
Anyone can chose a different career line- provided they dont give false statements on the bio-data and provide false facts while interviewing. Now finding whether its true and worth an interview, is the repsonsibility of the recruiter.
"Call him/her God - Call Him/her Satan - A good recruiter and cant give up on the basics of screening...after all we are paid for it"
From India, Madras
I do not personally worship the job boards or happy about the fact that they provide options for uploading more than one profile of the candidate - its after all business for them and increase in number of profiles. Infact now its not in recruiting just from job boards - but passove recruting which Employers are interested in.
Reg your questions:
a) On why a candidate should not post multiple resumes.
Why cant he have it all in one profile? So he thinks he will not be selected? So he KNOWS that he lacks somewhere?
Professional resume writers are seeked by job seekers - not employers. Reason: We dont want a candidate to submit a professionally written resume (which is mostly faked).The profile we see - and the candidate we screen over phone is totally different.
SOmetimes - when phone screening helps in the initial part - the direct meeting will just be a total "Failure"
2) No harm in one seeking change in course of career. For which - the person MUST not fake his resume by showing experience and responsibilities that were no way his portfolio. But he can chose to highlight his education in that area and his interest in pursing the specialization moving forward.
For instance - Asha as a Recruiter, wantign to take additional responsibilities in HR can mention her experience as "Possess experience in recruiting - as a consultant, and as a Corporate Recruiter. --and details related to recruitments and methods used"
Later Asha can mention that "Interested in taking assignments related to Training And PMS".
For this Asha cannot fake her resume and say she has been doing many things ;-)
Well my HR assistant had once uploaded her resume (in my previous company) with all the responsibilities of my head HR and manager. I could not help but laugh and called her and asked her what it was all about. She did feel bad, and I helped her later in preparign a resume that highlights her skills and help her go to the next level - but NOT by writing false statements.
Who stated that Recruiters are playing God? It probably appears that if a little bit of due diligence is done by the recruting team .... people are just not able to accept it?
Whats wrong in Recruiters being a match-maker (employer-employee) match maker? After all - Marriages are not meant to be broken. Same way the employer-employee relation (what a recruiter has in mind is) - not to be broken atleast for a few long years :-)
The question here is "How to find a fake resume"? Not why not to have different career opinions.
Anyone can chose a different career line- provided they dont give false statements on the bio-data and provide false facts while interviewing. Now finding whether its true and worth an interview, is the repsonsibility of the recruiter.
"Call him/her God - Call Him/her Satan - A good recruiter and cant give up on the basics of screening...after all we are paid for it"
From India, Madras
Adding to what Asha has mentioned above...
Comments made below are purely personal and might not be acceptable for all in the group.
• Many job portal has provision for uploading 3to 5 resumes.
• Many job-seekers change their functional areas esp. during the early stages of their career. (I would prefer highlighting the roles rather then maintain other resume altogether.
• Many Business Schools offer dual specializations. (Now does dual specialization mean maintaining two different resume, well I don’t think so)
• Many job seekers have multiple specializations, like Engineering & MBA, Computers & Cost Accounting, even Medicine & MBA etc. (Same as above)
• These days many are taking sabbatical or mid-career breaks to pursue academics in their chosen area. On completion of course, they may prefer working in the new area. (Nothing wrong, but if you have multiple skills why not mention in one resume? Why maintaining multiple resumes)
My questions are :
(1) Why should not a candidate post multiple resumes on a job-site or different job-sites ??
What differences are you talking about. Lets talk this, you are a hiring manager and you have 3 to 4 different kinds of resumes in front of you talking about different skills and different career goal ect for the same candidate (resumes made to suite a particular company). Will you recruit that person?
(2) Why should not people change their specialisation in the course of their career ??
For example Asha may have begun her career as a recruiter, she may like to change to a HR profile later on.
A Marketer who has done dual specialization in HR and Marketing, may later like to change over to HR.
Under these circumstances, she/he would definitely like to send a different CV which highlights the relevant deliverables.
That is why, I wrote earlier that "Recruiters seem to forget that they too have been job-seekers once".
People have every right to change their specialization in career. But, end of the day it’s the decision of the recruiting company, if it wants to give you that opportunity or not. Now what ever the circumstances may be, my point is: if someone is wearing multiple hats at his job, then why not mention the same in one single resume.
I have some other tangential thoughts too:
(3) Recruiters, like admen, should not play God. At times it is the company that makes or breaks people. I have seen good bright candidates, fizzle out in some un-imaginative, orthodox companies, whereas mediocre candidates making it big upon making some smart career moves.
I hate to say this, but recruiters are no more than match-makers; just like the marriage match-makers, who has no control over matrimonial heaven or hell, which the participants choose for themselves in due course of time, upon their own inter-action.
Well… I didn’t get it. However, I kind of like the analogy that has been made. Yes indeed a in a vague sense “A recruiter is a match maker”. If a recruiter sees that candidate has got the skills the company is looking for and company can provide what the candidate is looking for, then obviously the match is made. This is what a recruiter is supposed to do, now does that make him GOD… so let it be…End of the day its their profession.
Cheers and have fun...:icon1:
From India, Hyderabad
Comments made below are purely personal and might not be acceptable for all in the group.
• Many job portal has provision for uploading 3to 5 resumes.
• Many job-seekers change their functional areas esp. during the early stages of their career. (I would prefer highlighting the roles rather then maintain other resume altogether.
• Many Business Schools offer dual specializations. (Now does dual specialization mean maintaining two different resume, well I don’t think so)
• Many job seekers have multiple specializations, like Engineering & MBA, Computers & Cost Accounting, even Medicine & MBA etc. (Same as above)
• These days many are taking sabbatical or mid-career breaks to pursue academics in their chosen area. On completion of course, they may prefer working in the new area. (Nothing wrong, but if you have multiple skills why not mention in one resume? Why maintaining multiple resumes)
My questions are :
(1) Why should not a candidate post multiple resumes on a job-site or different job-sites ??
What differences are you talking about. Lets talk this, you are a hiring manager and you have 3 to 4 different kinds of resumes in front of you talking about different skills and different career goal ect for the same candidate (resumes made to suite a particular company). Will you recruit that person?
(2) Why should not people change their specialisation in the course of their career ??
For example Asha may have begun her career as a recruiter, she may like to change to a HR profile later on.
A Marketer who has done dual specialization in HR and Marketing, may later like to change over to HR.
Under these circumstances, she/he would definitely like to send a different CV which highlights the relevant deliverables.
That is why, I wrote earlier that "Recruiters seem to forget that they too have been job-seekers once".
People have every right to change their specialization in career. But, end of the day it’s the decision of the recruiting company, if it wants to give you that opportunity or not. Now what ever the circumstances may be, my point is: if someone is wearing multiple hats at his job, then why not mention the same in one single resume.
I have some other tangential thoughts too:
(3) Recruiters, like admen, should not play God. At times it is the company that makes or breaks people. I have seen good bright candidates, fizzle out in some un-imaginative, orthodox companies, whereas mediocre candidates making it big upon making some smart career moves.
I hate to say this, but recruiters are no more than match-makers; just like the marriage match-makers, who has no control over matrimonial heaven or hell, which the participants choose for themselves in due course of time, upon their own inter-action.
Well… I didn’t get it. However, I kind of like the analogy that has been made. Yes indeed a in a vague sense “A recruiter is a match maker”. If a recruiter sees that candidate has got the skills the company is looking for and company can provide what the candidate is looking for, then obviously the match is made. This is what a recruiter is supposed to do, now does that make him GOD… so let it be…End of the day its their profession.
Cheers and have fun...:icon1:
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Srionline4all, Ash & Friends
I think we are veering from the topic of "fake resumes", but none-the-less what is emerging seems interesting. I don't know if I can convince Sri and Ash on the multiple resume issues, because for recruitment consultants it sure poses a problem - imagine sending two different CVs of the same person to the company :-D
I still stand by my multiple-resume theory.
Are not recruitment consultants, the very same people to suggest to make specific CV's for specific roles (here CV's implies resumes and vice-versa) ?
Now, if I have an all-round (meaning covering the whole gamut) experience of, say, 20 years in HR, and the role is of a Training Head in a big MNC, won't I have a CV highlighting my experiences as a Trainer ??
Or for that matter, if its a Corporate HR position, then instead of beating around the bush, won't I talk about my Corporate HR experience.
Why should I make a single CV, which is a mix up of Jack-of-all-trades and lasts for 14 pages ??
Are not you the same people, who would say, an ideal CV should not exceed 4 to 5 pages and,
#2 - a CV gets rejected within the first 120 seconds or less ??
So why should not I make CV's or a particular role/assignment ??
Yeah, I agree - all CEO or prospective CEO's should have a single CV (because there is only 1 CEO in a company :-P).
But lesser mortals ?? - who are looking for any which source of livelihood that comes their way....
That's why I say, recruiters/consultants forget the days when they were job-seekers too (now they think they are born-recruiters... and God).
Watch this space - I have more to say - may be the next time :icon6:
Regards.
From India, Delhi
I think we are veering from the topic of "fake resumes", but none-the-less what is emerging seems interesting. I don't know if I can convince Sri and Ash on the multiple resume issues, because for recruitment consultants it sure poses a problem - imagine sending two different CVs of the same person to the company :-D
I still stand by my multiple-resume theory.
Are not recruitment consultants, the very same people to suggest to make specific CV's for specific roles (here CV's implies resumes and vice-versa) ?
Now, if I have an all-round (meaning covering the whole gamut) experience of, say, 20 years in HR, and the role is of a Training Head in a big MNC, won't I have a CV highlighting my experiences as a Trainer ??
Or for that matter, if its a Corporate HR position, then instead of beating around the bush, won't I talk about my Corporate HR experience.
Why should I make a single CV, which is a mix up of Jack-of-all-trades and lasts for 14 pages ??
Are not you the same people, who would say, an ideal CV should not exceed 4 to 5 pages and,
#2 - a CV gets rejected within the first 120 seconds or less ??
So why should not I make CV's or a particular role/assignment ??
Yeah, I agree - all CEO or prospective CEO's should have a single CV (because there is only 1 CEO in a company :-P).
But lesser mortals ?? - who are looking for any which source of livelihood that comes their way....
That's why I say, recruiters/consultants forget the days when they were job-seekers too (now they think they are born-recruiters... and God).
Watch this space - I have more to say - may be the next time :icon6:
Regards.
From India, Delhi
Dear Raj,
yes you are completely out of the topic.
If you have an HR profile with exp of 20 yrs..and you have a strong T&D experience too - no harm in mentioning or highlighting that in your resume that you would send across for the concenrned position.
We are talking abt people who dont possess that experience, yet create one that no way matches their "real experience"
I did not know that consultants ask candidates to creat fake profiles. I dont think so.
Highlighting is different from putting up false facts, false assignments and false achievements.
I never knew that Not lying on your resume makes you a Born God!!. Ifs thats the case - hey I am God :-)
Jokes apart - if you beg to differ, would appreciate if you could understand what the discussion is. Its abt "putting up false statements on the resume and creating a fake you! - and how would one identify that even before the candidate is out there attending interview with the Hiring Managers"
From India, Madras
yes you are completely out of the topic.
If you have an HR profile with exp of 20 yrs..and you have a strong T&D experience too - no harm in mentioning or highlighting that in your resume that you would send across for the concenrned position.
We are talking abt people who dont possess that experience, yet create one that no way matches their "real experience"
I did not know that consultants ask candidates to creat fake profiles. I dont think so.
Highlighting is different from putting up false facts, false assignments and false achievements.
I never knew that Not lying on your resume makes you a Born God!!. Ifs thats the case - hey I am God :-)
Jokes apart - if you beg to differ, would appreciate if you could understand what the discussion is. Its abt "putting up false statements on the resume and creating a fake you! - and how would one identify that even before the candidate is out there attending interview with the Hiring Managers"
From India, Madras
Everyone have given their suggestions. But i will not agree with their points because candidates today are following various methodologies , in order to get noticed by the employers. What ever it may be, One cannot survive in this industry without knowledge. No need to worry about fake resume. I can say one thing, employers can easily see through fake resume from the preparation itself.
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Check services of companies like <link no longer exists - removed> . They offer simpler solutions that help the recruitment / background screening / immigration screening companies filter the fake guys out.
Hope it helps
Cheers.
From India, Mumbai
Hope it helps
Cheers.
From India, Mumbai
Hai Mastan,
Its a good query..
1) If we try to make ourselves clear on the job requirement, the job description and end to end activities of particular job profile, then we can to some extent judge the profile received.
2) Keep updated with the black-listed companies, which offer fake experience
3) Take personal as well as official email id in advance
4) In most cases, candidates who are rich on technical aspects of their job and with true experience would have a short CV, without repetitions of the content in order to enhance the CV size. They just focus on exact job profile of their current company, avoiding beating round the bushes
5) Along with the CVs, also maintain a databank collection of payslips of various companies, which would be easy for you to compare when payslip has been submitted by the candidate, for your reference
6) Try to maintain a list of names and contact details of managers of various companies, in advance. The candidate who comes with fake would fear, when you utter the names while screening, in general. He/She would feel that you are familiar with the company. This would be a test fire..
All the best..
Thanks & Regards
CRK
crk.mbahr@yahoo.com
From India, Vijayawada
Its a good query..
1) If we try to make ourselves clear on the job requirement, the job description and end to end activities of particular job profile, then we can to some extent judge the profile received.
2) Keep updated with the black-listed companies, which offer fake experience
3) Take personal as well as official email id in advance
4) In most cases, candidates who are rich on technical aspects of their job and with true experience would have a short CV, without repetitions of the content in order to enhance the CV size. They just focus on exact job profile of their current company, avoiding beating round the bushes
5) Along with the CVs, also maintain a databank collection of payslips of various companies, which would be easy for you to compare when payslip has been submitted by the candidate, for your reference
6) Try to maintain a list of names and contact details of managers of various companies, in advance. The candidate who comes with fake would fear, when you utter the names while screening, in general. He/She would feel that you are familiar with the company. This would be a test fire..
All the best..
Thanks & Regards
CRK
crk.mbahr@yahoo.com
From India, Vijayawada
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