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Dear All,

Recently, one of my colleagues has been complaining about the politics going on in our office. She complains that the credit for her hard work goes to another colleague from her office just because he is in good books with senior management. She feels she is suppressed in her growth within the organization and can't concentrate on work because of the atmosphere in the office. She is currently feeling depressed and needs help. Please help me to solve this situation for her.

From Kuwait
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Be patient,

Have you seen Big Boss, who is the winner, a person who never was loud in any situation? Try to find out some way to convey your feelings to your main seniors. This is applicable in all organizations. If you say all these things to them straightforwardly, they will say, "See how fussy she is."

Be calm. Do your work. You will always get what you deserve. Remember this. Don't worry; in fact, try to smile, be happy, and natural; don't be depressed. Tell all these things to your friend.

Regards,

Rohini

From India, Pune
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Please note that "good work never remains unnoticed." Be a smart worker rather than a hard worker. Depression is not the answer to any problem. Be positive in every situation. If you think positively, then only positive things will happen in your life. Try to be in the good books of your immediate boss with your work. Don't try to circumvent your immediate superior. There must be some qualities in your superior due to which he is in the good books of your ultimate boss. Learn those qualities. Learn to handle different people with a different approach.

Mind you, this job is not the end of the road for you. Change your job if nothing works for you.

From India, Delhi
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hi, to all can any one help me about - relevance of industrial relation approach in modern day organisations.

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Hi I think she does her work whole-heartedly. Tell her to do the work smartly. She will definitely overcome. Regards, Jennifer Isaac
From India, Mumbai
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Dear all
Thank u for ur reply,
BE PATIENT isn't it a hard word . She is not a new employee in the company, she is being serving the company since last 4 years, slogging hard to reach her position and when now she is above to reach her goal, such she is treated this way.
I try my best to console her but sometimes I think the management has their own ways to make someone fell incompetent by treating them this way and ultimately the person is forced to leave the job out of no option left. Moreover when the person is drawing high salary.

From Kuwait
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Hi George,

What I feel is your colleague has been in the company for the last 4 years. She has to work smartly; otherwise, she'll never be recognized, whether she remains in the same job or goes for a change. Ask her to start talking to the senior management. This is the only way where she can slowly and gradually make a feel of her presence.

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Megha

From India, Calcutta
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Thank you, Megha.

I agree with what you are saying is right. She is trying her best. Such things matter, they get worse when it comes to increments. Who do you think should get a better increment, a person with good performance or a person who is in good books with the Senior Management?

I hope you are getting my point.

Regards,
Fay

From Kuwait
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Secondly, it is hard for someone to concentrate on work when such injustices are being done.

Our company has another policy that says we are all family members and should work like one. Is that really what is happening???

From Kuwait
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True, George can agree with your comment because I have also experienced such situations in my life. Till now, the condition remains the same.

Presently, I am closely working with top management (General Manager). He never listens to what I say and has a negative mindset towards my words. Even when you try to explain and make him understand things patiently, he does not agree at all. It's becoming tough for me to convince him to implement anything in the organization. When I raise issues with the MD or any other senior person besides him, he might slightly agree with my thoughts.

I can say he has partial knowledge and acts as if he is very smart, but he is not.

Hey guys, what are your views on this?

From India, Bangalore
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Hi,

I have read your query and the responses.

Politics is omnipresent. No organization is totally free of politics all the time anyway! This is a hard reality of life.

Decisions made on the basis of personal likes and dislikes, or decisions obtained by deceit or dishonesty are all outcomes of political manipulations.

Therefore, however hard it may be, politics needs to be dealt with and cannot be simply wished away. When we talk of "learning the ropes," managing politics is included. Honest and simple, uncomplicated people dislike politics and would rely on the merits to win the battle for them. It does not always happen and certainly not in the short run!

So, when your diagnosis is that you are suffering due to politics around you in the organization, you need to identify the "hierarchy of politics" in your organization. Some part of it is easy to identify, but a substantial part is indeed very difficult - but with patience and imaginativeness, one can identify the hierarchy fully.

Once you do this, identify the key players. Again, a tricky affair. Rely more or less on trial and error! When the personalities are known, study them, analyze them, and prepare a plan of action to tackle each.

Your plans have to be secret, implemented cleverly if necessary through the members of the hierarchy, and watch the results. You may never succeed in the first instance, but over time you will refine your skills and operate a concentrated strategy.

All the while, you must adopt sweet talk, duplicity, cooperation that will seem to be surrender. But all this will get under the skin of the opposition. Once you establish control of their minds and thoughts, you can get them to eat out of your hands.

These are time-tested strategies. Use them as guidelines ONLY and ALWAYS tailor them to your particular situation.

For a more systematic study, I STRONGLY recommend that you read (no, study) "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene published in India by "VIVA BOOKS PVT LTD, New Delhi and elsewhere. It's a fantastic presentation, and you will emerge POWERFUL against all office politics to start with.

Share the results please on the forum!!!

Cheers - nothing is lost. Even lost battles can be won!

Regards,

Samvedan

February 3, 2007

From India, Pune
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Dear All,

Recently, one of my colleagues has been complaining about the politics going on in our office. She complains that the credit for her hard work goes to another colleague from her office just because he is in good books with the senior management. She feels she is suppressed in her growth in the organization and can't concentrate on work because of such an atmosphere in the office. She is currently depressed and needs help.

Please help me to solve this situation for her.

Aah, that's life. It happens. Just continue the good work, smile more often, and try to be more assertive. Give presentations or do other things that can get her noticed. Chill. Karm kar... phal ki icha bhi rakh... par na milne pe ro mat yaar... aaj nahi toh kal milega... kahaan jayega??

Thank you.

From India, Mumbai
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by the way, how is ur friend now? does he/she know tht so many ppl on citehr care abt him/her
From India, Mumbai
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THanks a lot to samvedan & sunayna, Well i have taken ur suggestions to her & she is better now & tries to avoid the topic.
There is another incident I would like to share with you. One of the employees was suppose to go on annual leave to India. On the day he was to go on leave, he made a gate pass to go home early to finish his packing. And the reason he gave was that he told the personnel department that that his uncle has expired.
The personnel Department in return to the gate pass requested him to produce his uncle's death certificate. Which he denied, after inquiry they discovered that he was lying and his gate pass was cancelled.
The following day this employee proceeds on leave and return 4 days late to office with out any notice.
Now according to you what action must be taken on such an employee can u suggest?
I will inform u how exactly the situation was handled by the PD after your response.

From Kuwait
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Hi,

Interesting!

First, he has spoken a falsehood. Then he had to refuse to produce a death certificate. This, by itself, is an admission of his falsehood. On the other hand, his refusal may not be because he spoke a falsehood. He may not have spoken a falsehood too. It could be just the indignation felt by him when the Personnel Department asked him for a death certificate that prompted him to refuse production of the death certificate. But then his choices are limited - either he proves that he has not spoken a falsehood and produces the certificate or owns his false statement.

Since he has refused to produce the death certificate even after being asked to produce the same, in my opinion, his lie gets nailed.

The second matter is that he has reported LATE in resuming duties after LEAVE. This is an omission that must warrant cognizance being taken by the management. I am presuming that he had NOT sought an extension of leave NOR has he kept the employer informed in due time before his late arrival, NOR does he have a sufficient justification or convincing explanation for his late resumption of work. If my assumptions are right, then he is guilty also of irresponsibility towards the employer and the employment.

On both counts, he is guilty of misconduct!

Now as to the employer's response to the above. That will depend upon:

1) The terms and conditions of employment between the organization and the employee.

2) The laws of the land.

3) The employee's past service record (if any).

4) Are his skills critical to the continuance of operations? And finally,

5) Does he need the organization more, or does the organization need him more!

In any case, the rules of employment or the laws of the land hopefully require some procedure to be followed before a disciplinary view of an employee's acts of commission and/or omissions. Those rules must be followed.

If none (in the unlikely event) exist, then the organization must ask him formally to show cause as to why no disciplinary action may be taken against the alleged misconducts by giving the details of the misconducts and depending upon the response decide to act within the bounds of prevailing applicable law and terms and conditions of employment. Ultimately, one must remember that the principles of natural justice require that the seriousness of the misconduct and the gravity of the punishment must be proportionate.

I trust the above will meet the ends of justice in this case.

Regards,

Samvedan

February 5, 2007

From India, Pune
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HR plays a crucial role in any company. HR professionals need to maintain a balance between management and employees. I understand that your morale may have been low since no HR personnel could guide you well. Nonetheless, I encourage you to continue doing good work. I am confident that your efforts will be recognized, and you will receive appreciation for your hard work. Good luck!

Joylyn

From India, Bangalore
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Hi,

This is quite common in every organization.

I have a colleague who collects information from me and presents it to the management as if he were doing it. For example, he comes to me and asks how many have turned up for the interview. He takes the number, calls the MD, and says 10 people have come for the interview and 3 were selected, another 3 were put on hold for future requirements. The MD naturally feels he was involved and that he was, in fact, conducting the interviews.

In essence, he projects but does not actually do any work.

As is typical in any organization, he is well recognized by the top management, and as long as he remains in their good graces, colleagues also fear to complain directly.

This is the current situation. As somebody says, we have to focus on our job and disregard concerns about who receives credit/recognition, and so on.

If the situation worsens, it might be necessary to look for a solution.

What I have started doing is putting brief notes to management on whatever I am currently working on.

However, I personally feel that such individuals cannot survive in the long run as people can easily discern their lack of actual contribution, and their credibility diminishes over time.


From India, Bhubaneswar
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Thank you, Samvedan, for your reply.

On the day the employee retired from leave, the PD manager came to him in his office and told him to leave at that very moment. He was suspended for one day along with a second warning letter. As a matter of fact, he is an ex-employee's son who was very close to the GM. This is how he entered the company. Furthermore, he comes from a totally different field not related to his job, and he shows no interest in work. Although he has been warned several times earlier for his misconduct, mostly being late, he still survives because the GM is always good to him.

However, there is doubt he will not survive in the company for long. What is your opinion?

So that's it. Thank you, Jolyn, for your good wishes. Good luck to you, also, kuarpuss.

From Kuwait
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Samvedan, though I agree that the employee's action falls under misconduct and hence should be penalized. But I also believe that this company invaded someone's privacy... the company should be sued too.

And Fay, you have heard the employee's side of the story, that she feels she is performing and is not getting the credit... have you verified this? Most times a lot of employees live in the illusion that they are performing well. Find out the truth... and if there is truth in what she says, then as an HR person, I think you should intervene.

From India, Bangalore
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Hi,

Regarding your post, it's about the way you can change and adapt to the environment. You can ask your friend to see things differently, which can help you get in tune and also benefit from the current management views.

Above all, one should be very sincere at work to prove themselves, as this is very common in all organizations. I think this can sensibly make them realize to management so that the value of each person is recognized.

Take part in the game as a good player but not at the cost of yourself.

Regards,
Abhi

From India
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Hi,

It is incorrect to say that the company has invaded the employee's security (privacy)! The company asked for the death certificate ONLY when the employee presented someone's death as the cause and the reason to justify an extraordinary concession.

Based on what has come to knowledge, the employee appears to be an undeserving employee who is continuing to be employed out of someone's kindness and NOT his/her OWN competence!

I am satisfied, based on the evidence provided, that the company has acted fairly, and it is the employee who NEEDS to be admonished and who indeed deserves to be under observation until he/she comes up as an improved version of an employee.

I rest my case.

Regards,
Samvedan
February 8, 2007

From India, Pune
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I am totally with you that in this case, the employee was wrong, and therefore action should be taken against him. However, consider a case where someone had really died... I would resent someone asking me to produce a death certificate of a dead relative. How would you feel? Certain situations need to be handled with certain caution and sensitivity.
From India, Bangalore
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Hi,

On the hypotheticals presented by you, there can be no arguments at all. No decent company will allow and no competent HR will ever ask stupid questions, especially when there is no call for that! We respond to what is presented to us on the board and accept the same to be factual, responding on that assumption.

All the same, I agree with what you have said.

Regards,
Samvedan
February 8, 2007

From India, Pune
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I am then forced to believe that I am in the wrong forum. I thought this is where we exchange our thoughts and views on situations, hypothetical or otherwise! And I am glad that I am working with an organization that allows HR to ask 'stupid' questions! Thanks for the eye-opener!
From India, Bangalore
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Dear HR Prof,

You are right. You have the total right to view your opinion. So likewise, we also have the same right. For example, if an employee says he is sick and takes sick leave for the day, he has to produce a medical certificate/proof stating that he is really sick, or else he is not entitled to the sick leave. Do you agree with this?

So, according to my view, if the said employee has to produce proof to verify his reason. Now, it may be something emotional or personal, which is secondary and should not come in the way of proper functioning.

This is my view.

With regards,
Fay

From Kuwait
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Hi Manish,

Be cool and professional; you are speaking childishly. If you feel that what you are doing is unseen by seniors, I must mention that top seniors know everything happening in their departments. If one thing you do is not noticed by seniors, it means you forget all your achievements, past and future. So, don't be upset and cheer up! Everything is fine. Just concentrate on your job. I don't understand why some people get depressed over one negative thing. This is not your last job or your final assignment, and life does not end here.

So, please smile and focus on your work.

With regards,
Manish

From India, Delhi
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Dear People,

My friend was also very much depressed because of office politics, and she wanted to leave the present organization. The great and caring people of citehr encouraged her, and she was able to cope for some time. Now, she is feeling really low as her newly joined boss said that she is below the others in terms of hierarchy. She understood that she was just being utilized by him and did all the work delegated to her. I don't know how many people have faced such a situation. She feels very bad, and she's crying within, although she appears happy outwardly. Since I know her heartfelt feelings, I have expressed her situation on this site.

Also, for no valid reason, every professional action she takes is being misunderstood as being bossy or having control over others. She feels miserable within as it is not true. She herself does most of the jobs as there was minimal cooperation and technical assistance. She is very sincere in her work and true to her conscience. I feel so sorry for her.

Her situation seems to be truly unique. If anyone has gone through such a situation, please advise us on how you coped with it.

Thanks & Regards,

Shadan200

From India, Mumbai
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Dear Sender,

The political games played by people generally happen in many organizations. Your friend has made a habit of these behaviors for a long time for survival. If the environment is not healthy, she can communicate with others and discuss this issue. Help them realize that they are all part of a team and should cooperate with each other at all times. If there is no response, speak with a senior and bring the issue to their attention. Ultimately, such behavior hampers the smooth functioning of the organization, and senior individuals are held responsible.

Regards,
Bhushan

From India, Mumbai
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Dear All,

As suggested by you (Peer Sahab), I have advised her to speak her mind to the management. I also advised her to do it when she is truly stable from her low feelings and can address this matter in a more beneficial manner for all.

At this time, I have shared the various suggestions provided in this thread with her and have also introduced her to this wonderful site.

Thank you, everyone.

Regards,
Shadan200

From India, Mumbai
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