Hi,
I am Deepak, and currently, I am facing a problem that is affecting my career.
I joined my current company through the reference of the VP as he was a family friend. I didn't perform well in the interview, but they still gave me the job, and I am grateful for that. I have been working there for the past 1.8 years and have given my best, performing beyond the manager's expectations. The manager even sent an appreciation email, stating that Deepak is performing very well, keep it up.
I joined the company as a software engineer and was offered a salary of 11000, which was the least in the team, but it was during a recession, and I was okay with it initially. However, after 1.8 years, they gave me a 20 percent appraisal, increasing my salary by 2000. My manager had promised to recommend a 100% increase as he knew my current salary was low. When I asked the manager about the appraisal, he said he recommended 100%, but the senior manager and the management decided otherwise, and he was unable to change it.
At that point, I felt it was unprofessional to approach the VP for a salary hike. So, I started searching for a new job, and within a week, I received an offer of 4.2 ctc, but the location was in Pune, while I live in Bangalore with my family. As the only son, I did not want to leave them. I informed my manager about the offer, asking if he could discuss it with the senior manager. He promised to try and suggested looking for other opportunities in Bangalore.
After not receiving any updates, I received another offer from a reputable MNC in Bangalore with a ctc of 3.4. Despite the lower offer, I had to join within 15 days. Due to the company policy requiring notice within 40 days or payment of 40 days' salary, I accepted the offer as the new company agreed to buy out the notice period.
On the day of resigning, I felt it was my duty to inform the VP first since he helped me join the company. However, due to his absence, I had to proceed with my resignation as time was running out.
Upon resigning, my manager claimed my performance was poor and accused me of lying about taking leaves, despite having remaining ELs. When I approached the senior manager, he stated he could only release me upon the manager's request. The VP, upon his return, expressed anger at my resignation without consulting him, leaving my fate in the manager's hands. After much pleading, the manager agreed to release me as requested, but later, the senior manager informed me that I couldn't be released for two months, a decision made by the VP who refused to meet me.
Now, I have decided not to return to the company after the requested date as I do not wish to be treated as a mere employee.
I have the following documents:
1. All educational certificates.
2. Resignation letter copy.
3. Offer letter, appointment letter, and latest appraisal letter showing 1.8 years of work.
4. 1.8 years' bank statement reflecting salary deposits.
5. Valid passport, PAN card, and address proof.
6. No signed bond or assets taken from the company.
I lack:
1. Relieving letter.
2. Experience letter.
Can the company employ me without these documents? What should I do? Your valuable suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks & Regards,
Deepak
From India, Bangalore
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I am Deepak, and currently, I am facing a problem that is affecting my career.
I joined my current company through the reference of the VP as he was a family friend. I didn't perform well in the interview, but they still gave me the job, and I am grateful for that. I have been working there for the past 1.8 years and have given my best, performing beyond the manager's expectations. The manager even sent an appreciation email, stating that Deepak is performing very well, keep it up.
I joined the company as a software engineer and was offered a salary of 11000, which was the least in the team, but it was during a recession, and I was okay with it initially. However, after 1.8 years, they gave me a 20 percent appraisal, increasing my salary by 2000. My manager had promised to recommend a 100% increase as he knew my current salary was low. When I asked the manager about the appraisal, he said he recommended 100%, but the senior manager and the management decided otherwise, and he was unable to change it.
At that point, I felt it was unprofessional to approach the VP for a salary hike. So, I started searching for a new job, and within a week, I received an offer of 4.2 ctc, but the location was in Pune, while I live in Bangalore with my family. As the only son, I did not want to leave them. I informed my manager about the offer, asking if he could discuss it with the senior manager. He promised to try and suggested looking for other opportunities in Bangalore.
After not receiving any updates, I received another offer from a reputable MNC in Bangalore with a ctc of 3.4. Despite the lower offer, I had to join within 15 days. Due to the company policy requiring notice within 40 days or payment of 40 days' salary, I accepted the offer as the new company agreed to buy out the notice period.
On the day of resigning, I felt it was my duty to inform the VP first since he helped me join the company. However, due to his absence, I had to proceed with my resignation as time was running out.
Upon resigning, my manager claimed my performance was poor and accused me of lying about taking leaves, despite having remaining ELs. When I approached the senior manager, he stated he could only release me upon the manager's request. The VP, upon his return, expressed anger at my resignation without consulting him, leaving my fate in the manager's hands. After much pleading, the manager agreed to release me as requested, but later, the senior manager informed me that I couldn't be released for two months, a decision made by the VP who refused to meet me.
Now, I have decided not to return to the company after the requested date as I do not wish to be treated as a mere employee.
I have the following documents:
1. All educational certificates.
2. Resignation letter copy.
3. Offer letter, appointment letter, and latest appraisal letter showing 1.8 years of work.
4. 1.8 years' bank statement reflecting salary deposits.
5. Valid passport, PAN card, and address proof.
6. No signed bond or assets taken from the company.
I lack:
1. Relieving letter.
2. Experience letter.
Can the company employ me without these documents? What should I do? Your valuable suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks & Regards,
Deepak
From India, Bangalore
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Whatever the matter concerned, one should get the relieving order from the serviced company on exit. You meet your ex employer’s hr department and do the needful to get the relieving order.
From India, Madras
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Sir, thanks for your feedback, but we don't have any specific HR department in my company; it's under the VP. So, I am not able to get it as I have already stated the documents I have with me. Can the new company take those documents?
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From India, Bangalore
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Hello Deepu,
I truly understand your situation, but I suggest you convince your VP directly, through whom you entered this company. Make a plan to approach them every two days, or after a good amount of time, go and try to have a confident conversation with them. Remember, no one really makes a harsh decision. I understand that their initial reaction was bad, but you can still try to convince them or send a confident email. It may take about a week, but you can expect results. All the best.
From India, Pune
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I truly understand your situation, but I suggest you convince your VP directly, through whom you entered this company. Make a plan to approach them every two days, or after a good amount of time, go and try to have a confident conversation with them. Remember, no one really makes a harsh decision. I understand that their initial reaction was bad, but you can still try to convince them or send a confident email. It may take about a week, but you can expect results. All the best.
From India, Pune
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Let me talk to you about breaking a few rules of HR and ethics which should not be followed at times. If an organization is not giving you a relieving letter, does it make any difference? Don't you have your experience to prove yourself in an interview? You need a piece of paper to prove that you had experience?
Wake up, companies don't hire based on papers but on personality and attitude. Be honest with yourself, that's it dude. And if you are in so much need of a relieving letter, make it yourself. It's simple.
From India, Mumbai
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Wake up, companies don't hire based on papers but on personality and attitude. Be honest with yourself, that's it dude. And if you are in so much need of a relieving letter, make it yourself. It's simple.
From India, Mumbai
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Papers do not matter if you know how to work; having a salary slip and an appointment letter is enough. If you decide to join another company, there is no need to panic. If you are a performer, then these documents do not matter. Even HR knows that not everyone can provide papers. If you do not have a relieving letter, go meet a doctor, take a medical leave, and sit at home. No company will pay you for free. Just join another company. You do not have to be overly professional if the company does not value you as an employee.
For next time, be aware of organizational politics. If you resign, send an email to the HR and MD, and also BCC your personal email for future reference. From your description, I am certain you have not kept records of things, which is why your managers have deemed you a non-performer, etc. All the best for the future.
From India, Mumbai
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For next time, be aware of organizational politics. If you resign, send an email to the HR and MD, and also BCC your personal email for future reference. From your description, I am certain you have not kept records of things, which is why your managers have deemed you a non-performer, etc. All the best for the future.
From India, Mumbai
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Hi Deepak,
Most of the unethical people will try to sabotage the happiness of the outgoing employee as they are unable to satisfy the employee while they are a part of their team and struggle to accept their growth. Upon reviewing your situation, it appears these individuals are cut from the same cloth. Senior management, such as the MD or President, should put an end to this type of politics; otherwise, the company's reputation will suffer.
On a personal note, I have a suggestion. After submitting your resignation letter and receiving acknowledgment (if not, try to obtain one from your manager to ensure there are no issues), approach your new employer. Request permission to sign a document stating that the company holds no liability in case of any legal matters. Many companies are open to this arrangement, especially smaller ones that may lack formal documentation like appointment letters or pay slips. If they require a proforma, I can provide one for you to present and facilitate the process if both parties agree.
For further information, please contact me at
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Thanks and regards,
Kamesh
From India, Hyderabad
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Most of the unethical people will try to sabotage the happiness of the outgoing employee as they are unable to satisfy the employee while they are a part of their team and struggle to accept their growth. Upon reviewing your situation, it appears these individuals are cut from the same cloth. Senior management, such as the MD or President, should put an end to this type of politics; otherwise, the company's reputation will suffer.
On a personal note, I have a suggestion. After submitting your resignation letter and receiving acknowledgment (if not, try to obtain one from your manager to ensure there are no issues), approach your new employer. Request permission to sign a document stating that the company holds no liability in case of any legal matters. Many companies are open to this arrangement, especially smaller ones that may lack formal documentation like appointment letters or pay slips. If they require a proforma, I can provide one for you to present and facilitate the process if both parties agree.
For further information, please contact me at
Thanks and regards,
Kamesh
From India, Hyderabad
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Amit, thank you for your valuable feedback. I will try to speak with the VP today. If that doesn't work out, I will escalate the matter to the management. In my offer letter, it is mentioned that the notice period is 30 days, and I can buy it if the manager agrees.
Thank you.
From India, Bangalore
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Thank you.
From India, Bangalore
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