I have a very interesting topic for you, friends. As per IPC 309, the Central Government Act states:
309. Attempt to commit suicide.-- Whoever attempts to commit suicide and does any act towards the commission of such offence shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year or with a fine, or with both.
But my question is, who is the government to have control over us? We are masters of our lives, and we have every right to end our own lives. What is your opinion on it, honorable HR friends? Because already a person who attempts to commit suicide is in tension, and additional fines or imprisonment will only further frustrate them. What do you say, dear friends? Kindly reply.
From India, Pune
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57309. Attempt to commit suicide.-- Whoever attempts to commit suicide and does any act towards the commission of such offence shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year or with a fine, or with both.
But my question is, who is the government to have control over us? We are masters of our lives, and we have every right to end our own lives. What is your opinion on it, honorable HR friends? Because already a person who attempts to commit suicide is in tension, and additional fines or imprisonment will only further frustrate them. What do you say, dear friends? Kindly reply.
From India, Pune
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Dear Ravi,
Do you think it's right to end your life just because you are depressed and tensed? If everybody will think like this, then there will not be any innovation or any solutions for problems. As far as punishment is concerned for suicide, I think there should be counselor's sessions for these types of persons, rather than punishment because punishment will again lead to negativity, which is the main factor for suicide.
Regards,
Prabha
From India, Vadodara
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Do you think it's right to end your life just because you are depressed and tensed? If everybody will think like this, then there will not be any innovation or any solutions for problems. As far as punishment is concerned for suicide, I think there should be counselor's sessions for these types of persons, rather than punishment because punishment will again lead to negativity, which is the main factor for suicide.
Regards,
Prabha
From India, Vadodara
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Well said Praba, If there is a problem sure there is a solution tooo, Ravi pls do not post abt suicide again,
From Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
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From Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
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Hi Suman,
I told you earlier... please do not post on this topic, but you are still discussing. What's your problem?
I completely agree with you, Vani. If there is a problem, surely there is a solution too.
See this topic:
["Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain."]
That's all it's about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed because you feel suicidal. It doesn't even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights, no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course, you would cheer yourself up if you could.
Don't accept it if someone tells you, "that's not enough to be suicidal about." There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain.
When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources.
You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.
Now I want to tell you five things to think about:
1. You need to hear that people do get through this - even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.
2. Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, "I will wait 24 hours before I do anything." Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself doesn't mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it's just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you.
3. People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek if you are dead.
4. Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.
But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you.
But don't give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are releases an awful lot of pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.
5. Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.
Keep smiling always... 😊😊😊😊😊
Thanks, Suman
From India, Gurgaon
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I told you earlier... please do not post on this topic, but you are still discussing. What's your problem?
I completely agree with you, Vani. If there is a problem, surely there is a solution too.
See this topic:
["Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain."]
That's all it's about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed because you feel suicidal. It doesn't even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights, no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course, you would cheer yourself up if you could.
Don't accept it if someone tells you, "that's not enough to be suicidal about." There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain.
When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources.
You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.
Now I want to tell you five things to think about:
1. You need to hear that people do get through this - even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.
2. Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, "I will wait 24 hours before I do anything." Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself doesn't mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it's just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you.
3. People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek if you are dead.
4. Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.
But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you.
But don't give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are releases an awful lot of pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.
5. Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.
Keep smiling always... 😊😊😊😊😊
Thanks, Suman
From India, Gurgaon
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Hi friends,
Good discussion always aims to resolve differences of opinion or enhance understanding of others' viewpoints, etc. So do not avoid or fear discussing anything. It's also not a solution.
Suman, you have posted a brilliant article. Thanks.
Ravi, regarding your question "who is the master of our lives?" I believe neither the government nor we ourselves are the master of our lives. The one who is our creator, i.e., our God, is the master of our lives. He has control over everything. He has given us life for noble objectives, and ultimately, we have to return to Him. We cannot run away from this return to Him (death).
Now, when a person wants to commit suicide, it means they are completely hopeless about improving their life conditions or finding solutions to their problems. This lack of faith in God's total control over His creation leads the person not only to refrain from improving their situation but also to see ending their life as the solution.
Suicide is the worst act humans could do with their lives due to the effects of their negative feelings and thoughts. To enhance understanding of how our thoughts affect our actions and lives, I am quoting from the book "The Power of Thought":
How many of us, for instance, realize that it is thought that kills and not lack of food in most cases of death through alleged starvation? If a person cannot get food to eat, he dies in a very few days, as a rule; yet a person who fasts voluntarily in order to cure himself of some organic disease can do so, if the fast is wisely undertaken, for forty or even more days, not only without injury, but with greatly beneficial results. Why is it that in the former case a few days' compulsory fast ends in death, while a voluntary fast of six weeks or so results only in good? The answer is, of course, that it is the state of the mind and the character of the thoughts that kill, and not the lack of food.
Regards,
Ali
From Pakistan, Karachi
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Good discussion always aims to resolve differences of opinion or enhance understanding of others' viewpoints, etc. So do not avoid or fear discussing anything. It's also not a solution.
Suman, you have posted a brilliant article. Thanks.
Ravi, regarding your question "who is the master of our lives?" I believe neither the government nor we ourselves are the master of our lives. The one who is our creator, i.e., our God, is the master of our lives. He has control over everything. He has given us life for noble objectives, and ultimately, we have to return to Him. We cannot run away from this return to Him (death).
Now, when a person wants to commit suicide, it means they are completely hopeless about improving their life conditions or finding solutions to their problems. This lack of faith in God's total control over His creation leads the person not only to refrain from improving their situation but also to see ending their life as the solution.
Suicide is the worst act humans could do with their lives due to the effects of their negative feelings and thoughts. To enhance understanding of how our thoughts affect our actions and lives, I am quoting from the book "The Power of Thought":
How many of us, for instance, realize that it is thought that kills and not lack of food in most cases of death through alleged starvation? If a person cannot get food to eat, he dies in a very few days, as a rule; yet a person who fasts voluntarily in order to cure himself of some organic disease can do so, if the fast is wisely undertaken, for forty or even more days, not only without injury, but with greatly beneficial results. Why is it that in the former case a few days' compulsory fast ends in death, while a voluntary fast of six weeks or so results only in good? The answer is, of course, that it is the state of the mind and the character of the thoughts that kill, and not the lack of food.
Regards,
Ali
From Pakistan, Karachi
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I think suicide is not a crime because suicide is committed by those who lack the will to do anything, those who are cowardly, mindless, and lack intelligence. Such a person is like scrap only, so it's not a crime at all.
Ravi, do you possess all these qualities? If so, go ahead, man.
From India, Pune
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Ravi, do you possess all these qualities? If so, go ahead, man.
From India, Pune
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