Provident Fund Deduction Issue
Can anyone help me provide clear information about getting PF deducted from my salary? I was working in one company, let's say ABC Co. Ltd., for 4 months. Each month, my salary was deducted by 680 Rupees towards PF. However, now, at the time of my resignation, the company refuses to pay the PF in the Final Settlement. They are saying that I am not eligible for PF! Is there any rule regarding working for a minimum period to be eligible for PF? Moreover, the PF amount has been deducted from my last 4 months' salary! My basic was only 4500/-.
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Nithin
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Can anyone help me provide clear information about getting PF deducted from my salary? I was working in one company, let's say ABC Co. Ltd., for 4 months. Each month, my salary was deducted by 680 Rupees towards PF. However, now, at the time of my resignation, the company refuses to pay the PF in the Final Settlement. They are saying that I am not eligible for PF! Is there any rule regarding working for a minimum period to be eligible for PF? Moreover, the PF amount has been deducted from my last 4 months' salary! My basic was only 4500/-.
Regards,
Nithin
From Singapore
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You have to work for a minimum of 6 months to be eligible for withdrawal benefits from EPFO (Both EPF & EPS). Since you left within 4 months, you are entitled to receive the EPF amount. You can submit Form 19 for your contribution of 12% + Employer 3.67%.
You will not be eligible for EPS - Pension, so please do not submit Form 10C, and you will not receive the Employer 8.33%.
Is your PF deduction amount Rs. 680/- or Rs. 540/-? Since your basic is Rs. 4500, it should only be Rs. 540/- (12%). Have you included any DA or ESI deductions as well?
Thank you.
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193You will not be eligible for EPS - Pension, so please do not submit Form 10C, and you will not receive the Employer 8.33%.
Is your PF deduction amount Rs. 680/- or Rs. 540/-? Since your basic is Rs. 4500, it should only be Rs. 540/- (12%). Have you included any DA or ESI deductions as well?
Thank you.
From India, Mumbai
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Many thanks for your reply. Please note that the Basic was Rs. 5,750 and PF was Rs. 690. I just had a look at Form 19, and it is showing fields for Account No. PN/HR. However, I don't have such a number. Should I ask this number from my previous employer first, right? One more valid question in this regard, if the employer refuses to give me the number, what should I do?
Thanks again for your reply.
Regards, Nithin
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Thanks again for your reply.
Regards, Nithin
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You can find your PF number in your payslip. Otherwise, you can ask your previous HR to provide the number. Actually, they are required to sign the Form 19. In case they refuse to sign, follow the instructions provided by EPFO.
Employer's Duty Under the Act & Scheme
It is the employer's duty under the Act & Scheme to assist the Employees' Provident Fund organization in settling the Provident Fund dues of their employees. They must complete the prescribed application within 5 days of receipt [para72(5)] forms and hand it over to the member upon their departure from service. If a member faces difficulty in getting the form attested by the employer, they can seek attestation from any of the following officers and send it to the Provident Fund office:
- Manager of a bank.
- Any gazetted officer.
- Member of the Central Board of Trustees/Committee/Regional Committee (Employees' Provident Fund Organization).
- Magistrate/Post/Sub Post Master/President of Village Panchayat/Notary Public.
However, only proceed with the above attestation if the previous employer refuses to sign the form. Also, I hope you do not have any outstanding dues with your previous employers.
Regards.
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Employer's Duty Under the Act & Scheme
It is the employer's duty under the Act & Scheme to assist the Employees' Provident Fund organization in settling the Provident Fund dues of their employees. They must complete the prescribed application within 5 days of receipt [para72(5)] forms and hand it over to the member upon their departure from service. If a member faces difficulty in getting the form attested by the employer, they can seek attestation from any of the following officers and send it to the Provident Fund office:
- Manager of a bank.
- Any gazetted officer.
- Member of the Central Board of Trustees/Committee/Regional Committee (Employees' Provident Fund Organization).
- Magistrate/Post/Sub Post Master/President of Village Panchayat/Notary Public.
However, only proceed with the above attestation if the previous employer refuses to sign the form. Also, I hope you do not have any outstanding dues with your previous employers.
Regards.
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if he didn’t have any pf number given, how will he get it attested by someone ? i m assuming thatif employer refused pf, he will refuse to give the account number
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If he is not getting his number, he can write to the concerned PF office where the company is maintaining the PF account. However, this will be taken seriously, and an inquiry will be conducted by the Enforcement Officer with the employer.
If any dues are to be paid by the employee, then the company will surely proceed with legal action; otherwise, there is no problem. It is advisable to try solving the problem internally.
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If any dues are to be paid by the employee, then the company will surely proceed with legal action; otherwise, there is no problem. It is advisable to try solving the problem internally.
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Yes, I understand what you are saying. You have also answered my question regarding what options he has if the company does not provide the PF number. I suppose the department will have a copy of the 12A and 3A where his name will appear. If his name does not appear, then the PF Officer will definitely issue a notice to the company asking to explain why they have not paid PF for him. I do not think it is legally allowed for the company to hold back PF for other dues. I believe there is a specific rule somewhere stating this. However, do you think the department will take the trouble to follow this through on the request of the employee for such a small amount?
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Thank you for your clear and professional reply on this. I have already cleared the settlement with the company and signed the Final Settlement Form. Regarding PF, I will contact HR and try to resolve this matter internally.
Paid Leave Deduction During Notice Period
Yes, I have the same concern. In my company, Paid Leave is granted based on the working days of the last financial year. One of my colleagues is currently in the notice period, and HR deducted Paid Leave from the notice period days. For example, if he has 15 days of Paid Leave and the notice period is 30 days, he needs to work for 15 days only. However, the company refuses to pay him for the deducted days (i.e., 15 days). Is this legal?
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Paid Leave Deduction During Notice Period
Yes, I have the same concern. In my company, Paid Leave is granted based on the working days of the last financial year. One of my colleagues is currently in the notice period, and HR deducted Paid Leave from the notice period days. For example, if he has 15 days of Paid Leave and the notice period is 30 days, he needs to work for 15 days only. However, the company refuses to pay him for the deducted days (i.e., 15 days). Is this legal?
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Dear Friends, Help me, recently I joined a company and came to know that our contractor is manipulating the deposit of the PF amount, and in the past, he has withdrawn the PF amount by opening dummy accounts. Workers have lost faith. Now we don't want to change the worker and cannot change the contractor. Please help me to sort the issue.
Regards, Prakash
From India, Jamnagar
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Regards, Prakash
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Dear Sameer, please find the same reply in the trial. You can find your PF number in your payslip, or you can ask your previous HR to provide the number. Actually, they have to sign Form 19. In case they are not signing, follow the instructions given by EPFO.
Employer's Duty Under the Act and Scheme
It is the duty of the employer under the Act and Scheme to assist the Employees' Provident Fund organization in settling the Provident Fund dues of their employees. They must complete the prescribed application within 5 days of receipt (para 72(5)) forms and hand it over to the member when they leave the service. If a member faces difficulties in getting the form attested by the employer, they can seek attestation from any of the following officers and send it to the Provident Fund office:
- Manager of a bank
- Any gazetted officer
- Member of the Central Board of Trustees/Committee/Regional Committee (Employees' Provident Fund Organization)
- Magistrate/Postmaster/Sub Postmaster/President of Village Panchayat/Notary Public
Only when the previous employer is not signing the form can you proceed with the above attestation. Also, I hope you do not have any dues with your previous employer.
From India, Mumbai
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Employer's Duty Under the Act and Scheme
It is the duty of the employer under the Act and Scheme to assist the Employees' Provident Fund organization in settling the Provident Fund dues of their employees. They must complete the prescribed application within 5 days of receipt (para 72(5)) forms and hand it over to the member when they leave the service. If a member faces difficulties in getting the form attested by the employer, they can seek attestation from any of the following officers and send it to the Provident Fund office:
- Manager of a bank
- Any gazetted officer
- Member of the Central Board of Trustees/Committee/Regional Committee (Employees' Provident Fund Organization)
- Magistrate/Postmaster/Sub Postmaster/President of Village Panchayat/Notary Public
Only when the previous employer is not signing the form can you proceed with the above attestation. Also, I hope you do not have any dues with your previous employer.
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Dear Nitin, The PF contribution which was deducted will not be returned as you have not worked for the same company for at least 6 months. Regards, Rajitha
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You mean that the money will be appropriated by the government ? I don’t think that was the spirit of the legislation. How can money deducted from salary for social benefit be appropriated ??
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Dear Rajitha, as per the information provided by Shenbagarajan, employees can avail themselves of their contribution plus the employer's contribution at 3.67%. Do you mean employees cannot benefit from this?
You have to work for a minimum of 6 months to qualify for withdrawal benefits from EPFO (both EPF & EPS). Since you left within 4 months, you are eligible to receive the EPF amount. You can submit Form 19 (your 12% + employer 3.67%). You will not be eligible for EPS - Pension (do not submit Form 10C) and you will not receive the employer's 8.33%.
Thank you.
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You have to work for a minimum of 6 months to qualify for withdrawal benefits from EPFO (both EPF & EPS). Since you left within 4 months, you are eligible to receive the EPF amount. You can submit Form 19 (your 12% + employer 3.67%). You will not be eligible for EPS - Pension (do not submit Form 10C) and you will not receive the employer's 8.33%.
Thank you.
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It should be given to the employees even if it is less than 6 months, based on the calculation done by me in the trial. Please look for it.
@Saswatha - It is not deducted from your salary; it is deducted from your employer. After retirement, it is not the employer who is going to pay your PF pension (private company). It is the PF department that is going to pay the pension benefit. If you feel that it should not be taken by the PF department, then the PF has to be transferred to the new employer where you will not lose the money. Don't focus on the 1% who lose their money (Employer contribution PF - 8.33% of 12%). There are 99% of employees who benefit.
Thank you.
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@Saswatha - It is not deducted from your salary; it is deducted from your employer. After retirement, it is not the employer who is going to pay your PF pension (private company). It is the PF department that is going to pay the pension benefit. If you feel that it should not be taken by the PF department, then the PF has to be transferred to the new employer where you will not lose the money. Don't focus on the 1% who lose their money (Employer contribution PF - 8.33% of 12%). There are 99% of employees who benefit.
Thank you.
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PF Contribution Query
I have posted an inquiry earlier. If the employee has not worked for less than 6 months, he will be paid back only the employee's portion of the PF deducted. But if the employer already remitted their contribution, how does the employer get back the same amount? Who will be the real beneficiary of that component?
Thanking you,
Regards,
M. Ramasubramanian
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I have posted an inquiry earlier. If the employee has not worked for less than 6 months, he will be paid back only the employee's portion of the PF deducted. But if the employer already remitted their contribution, how does the employer get back the same amount? Who will be the real beneficiary of that component?
Thanking you,
Regards,
M. Ramasubramanian
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It is taken by the EPFO only. Already, I had replied to @Saswatha - It is not deducted from your salary; it is deducted from your employer. After retirement, it is not the employer who is going to pay your PF pension (private company). It is the PF department that is going to pay the pension benefit. If you feel that it should not be taken by the PF department, then the PF has to be transferred to the new employer where you will not lose the money. Don't look for 1% who lose their money (Employer contribution PF - 8.33% of 12%). There are 99% of employees who get benefited.
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I was an employee of a company. My basic salary was only 4000 Rs, and the total was 5300 Rs. For PF, 456 Rs was deducted from my gross (6021 Rs).
I worked there for 4 months, and I don't have the payslip, so I don't know the PF number. Am I eligible to get the PF?
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I worked there for 4 months, and I don't have the payslip, so I don't know the PF number. Am I eligible to get the PF?
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Please forward a request under RTI to the concerned EPFO where your employers office is located. Nobody can withhold your PF even if you have worked for just one day.
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Issue with Notice Period and PF Clearance
I was working in a foundation from 8th September 2014 to 10th March 2015, approximately 6 months and 2 days. I was given a notice period of 10 days, while their norms required a notice period of 15 days. Consequently, they deducted my salary for 6-7 days.
Currently, I am requesting clearance of my PF (the PF amount was ₹480/month) from the time of my resignation, but there has been no progress so far. Despite sending numerous emails and reminders to HR, Accounts, and Administration, there has been no satisfactory response.
Please assist me with the best legal or diplomatic solution.
Regards,
Satyajeet Singh
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I was working in a foundation from 8th September 2014 to 10th March 2015, approximately 6 months and 2 days. I was given a notice period of 10 days, while their norms required a notice period of 15 days. Consequently, they deducted my salary for 6-7 days.
Currently, I am requesting clearance of my PF (the PF amount was ₹480/month) from the time of my resignation, but there has been no progress so far. Despite sending numerous emails and reminders to HR, Accounts, and Administration, there has been no satisfactory response.
Please assist me with the best legal or diplomatic solution.
Regards,
Satyajeet Singh
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I am working as a stenographer under the Ministry of Corporate Affairs on a contract basis. Every month, Rs. 1245 is deducted from my salary, and my current PF balance is Rs. 30,168. Now, I have some queries about this which are mentioned below:
PF Withdrawal Queries
1. I want to know what is the minimum time to withdraw my PF amount after relieving the job.
2. How much interest do I get on Rs. 30,168/- and the total amount I get from my PF amount?
3. Is a PAN Card mandatory to withdraw this money?
4. Do I need to fill out any forms to withdraw this PF amount?
Regards.
From India, Delhi
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PF Withdrawal Queries
1. I want to know what is the minimum time to withdraw my PF amount after relieving the job.
2. How much interest do I get on Rs. 30,168/- and the total amount I get from my PF amount?
3. Is a PAN Card mandatory to withdraw this money?
4. Do I need to fill out any forms to withdraw this PF amount?
Regards.
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And if the working months are less than 1 year and more than 6 months does he/she will get the benefit of both EPF and EPS??
From India, Jalalpur
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I am working at X company. I have been working there for 3 months. Now, I want to leave the company due to some reasons. However, when I asked for my PF account number, they informed me that I have to work a minimum of 6 months to be eligible for a PF number. Is this true? Please help me.
Thank you,
Chinni
From India, Hyderabad
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Thank you,
Chinni
From India, Hyderabad
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