Dear friends, I am working in an NBFC (Microfinance). One of my field staff complained that the installment recovered from the customer (Rs. 1,50,000/-) has been stolen from his room. Now, he is going to file an FIR in which he is changing the case to the snatching of money in the field. However, I have already informed my senior about the situation.
Considering Legal Action
Currently, I am contemplating whether to go to the CJM and lodge a complaint against the staff. Please suggest whether this would be a good course of action or not.
Regards, Manoranjan
From India, Ranchi
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Considering Legal Action
Currently, I am contemplating whether to go to the CJM and lodge a complaint against the staff. Please suggest whether this would be a good course of action or not.
Regards, Manoranjan
From India, Ranchi
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if he tells that money stolen from his room but going to file FIR which means, that something is really fishy..
From India, Madras
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Dear Rajan, It is important to be clarified why is he changing the case from Stealing to Snatching.What is the fear in his mind while lodging the FIR if he is not guilty?? Regards MK
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You can lodge FIR against the field staff for the missing money. It is police duty to inquire. Is there insurance coverage?? pon
From India, Lucknow
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Like the others mentioned, something's definitely fishy. I would go one step further— it looks like he flicked the money and is trying to divert attention to other directions or people. This is a standard ploy or trick of such guys with a criminal bent of mind. Just go ahead and lodge a Police Complaint— if you delay, you too could be under suspicion.
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TS
From India, Hyderabad
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This is very common, and fraud cases are very frequent in the microfinance field. Every month, cases come in various forms. You shouldn't delay regarding this matter because he may abscond, which will further delay the whole process.
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Ritu
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Internal Investigation on Alleged Theft of Collected Cash
Employee is claiming that the cash collected by him has been stolen. He is also changing his versions and stories. He has not initiated any action to find out the stolen money, nor has he lodged an FIR with the police. There is something very fishy, and you need to conduct a little internal investigation and decide on the further course of action.
Questions to Consider
- Has he really collected Rs. 1.5 lakhs? From which customers? Obtain a detailed statement of collections.
- Are receipts issued to customers for cash collected? Are copies of receipts available on record?
- For how many hours/days was he holding this Rs. 1.5 lakh with him? Why did he not deposit it in the office/bank as per the laid-out procedure?
- Has he really collected Rs. 1.5 lakhs, or is he fabricating this story to show performance?
If he has really collected Rs. 1.5 lakhs, then why is he changing the story?
Objective and Further Action
Your further action will depend on what exactly you want. What is your objective?
In case the cash is really collected by him, then your first objective should be to find out and recover the cash, in the interest of your company and customers. Talk to the employee; first, take him into confidence. If this does not work, threaten him with the consequences if the case is referred to the police (humiliation, loss of earnings and job, disrupted career, punishment, hardship to family, etc.). This should work. Recover the money from him and remove him from the job.
If the above does not work, go to the police and lodge an FIR.
Even if you recover Rs. 1.5 lakh, your option of going to the police is open. It will act as a deterrent for others. I suggest you do go to the police after collecting the cash.
Most importantly, keep your bosses and superiors well informed. Seek their advice.
Dear friends, I am working in an NBFC (Microfinance). One of my field staff complained that the installment recovered from the customer (Rs. 1,50,000) has been stolen from his room. Now, he is going to file an FIR, changing the case to the snatching of money in the field. However, I have already informed the situation to my senior.
Right now, I am considering going to the CJM and lodging a complaint against the staff. Please suggest whether it will be good or not?
Regards, Manoranjan
From India, Pune
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Employee is claiming that the cash collected by him has been stolen. He is also changing his versions and stories. He has not initiated any action to find out the stolen money, nor has he lodged an FIR with the police. There is something very fishy, and you need to conduct a little internal investigation and decide on the further course of action.
Questions to Consider
- Has he really collected Rs. 1.5 lakhs? From which customers? Obtain a detailed statement of collections.
- Are receipts issued to customers for cash collected? Are copies of receipts available on record?
- For how many hours/days was he holding this Rs. 1.5 lakh with him? Why did he not deposit it in the office/bank as per the laid-out procedure?
- Has he really collected Rs. 1.5 lakhs, or is he fabricating this story to show performance?
If he has really collected Rs. 1.5 lakhs, then why is he changing the story?
Objective and Further Action
Your further action will depend on what exactly you want. What is your objective?
In case the cash is really collected by him, then your first objective should be to find out and recover the cash, in the interest of your company and customers. Talk to the employee; first, take him into confidence. If this does not work, threaten him with the consequences if the case is referred to the police (humiliation, loss of earnings and job, disrupted career, punishment, hardship to family, etc.). This should work. Recover the money from him and remove him from the job.
If the above does not work, go to the police and lodge an FIR.
Even if you recover Rs. 1.5 lakh, your option of going to the police is open. It will act as a deterrent for others. I suggest you do go to the police after collecting the cash.
Most importantly, keep your bosses and superiors well informed. Seek their advice.
Dear friends, I am working in an NBFC (Microfinance). One of my field staff complained that the installment recovered from the customer (Rs. 1,50,000) has been stolen from his room. Now, he is going to file an FIR, changing the case to the snatching of money in the field. However, I have already informed the situation to my senior.
Right now, I am considering going to the CJM and lodging a complaint against the staff. Please suggest whether it will be good or not?
Regards, Manoranjan
From India, Pune
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Insurance Coverage and FIR Filing
Thanks for your suggestion. The insurance company is stating that insurance coverage is for the transition of money from the field to the bank or office, or money placed in the office chub. Insurance does not cover money stolen from the room of the staff.
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pon
From India, Ranchi
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Thanks for your suggestion. The insurance company is stating that insurance coverage is for the transition of money from the field to the bank or office, or money placed in the office chub. Insurance does not cover money stolen from the room of the staff.
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pon
From India, Ranchi
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Thanks for your suggestion. The insurance company is stating that insurance coverage is for the transition of money from the field to the bank or office, or money placed in the office chub. However, insurance does not cover money stolen from a staff room.
From India, Ranchi
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What documents need to be produced while lodging an FIR? Should I lodge the case through the CJM or at the police station? The police station in charge nearer to my office is not accepting the complaint. He is suggesting that I go to the police station where the incident happened.
Please suggest.
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Manoranjan
From India, Ranchi
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Please suggest.
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Manoranjan
From India, Ranchi
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Hi Ranjan, are you a collection guy or an HR person? As per RBI/banks guidelines, any internal/external theft has to be reported within 24-48 hours to the local RBI body. If the sum involved is 15 lakhs, then the matter cannot be overlooked. It becomes the duty of the NCM (National Collection Manager) to handle such cases. Following their instruction, the RCM/ACM would have likely initiated a police complaint. If the individual is from a collection agency, the agency is responsible for refunding the entire amount as per the customer's cash memos; otherwise, they could face legal consequences under economic offenses. Your NBFC can share this information with the local RBI body and other banks (IBA).
These situations are common in collections, and both banks and the police are aware of such occurrences. However, it is surprising that a single person could collect 15 lakhs in a day at an NBFC where loan sizes and EMIs are usually low. What kind of EMIs was he collecting? Business loan EMIs wouldn't typically add up to that amount.
In any case, this issue does not directly concern HR. The responsibility of reporting falls on the collection head and sales head. In legal matters, the company's lawyer will handle it. Don't worry about it!
From India, Mumbai
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These situations are common in collections, and both banks and the police are aware of such occurrences. However, it is surprising that a single person could collect 15 lakhs in a day at an NBFC where loan sizes and EMIs are usually low. What kind of EMIs was he collecting? Business loan EMIs wouldn't typically add up to that amount.
In any case, this issue does not directly concern HR. The responsibility of reporting falls on the collection head and sales head. In legal matters, the company's lawyer will handle it. Don't worry about it!
From India, Mumbai
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Rs. 15 lakhs is a very large amount. Have you reported this incident to your higher-ups? What is their response and advice? If not reported yet, report it immediately.
Logically, if the amount is lost or stolen from someone's possession, then they need to initiate an FIR and other actions. If the amount is lost or stolen from the office, then the cashier, accountant, or manager needs to lodge an FIR.
If you are suspecting something else, you can lodge the FIR yourself and name the suspect. You must have senior colleagues to guide you in these types of incidents, so seek their advice.
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Logically, if the amount is lost or stolen from someone's possession, then they need to initiate an FIR and other actions. If the amount is lost or stolen from the office, then the cashier, accountant, or manager needs to lodge an FIR.
If you are suspecting something else, you can lodge the FIR yourself and name the suspect. You must have senior colleagues to guide you in these types of incidents, so seek their advice.
From India, Pune
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Handling Large Cash Amounts at Home
How can a person keep 15 lakh cash at home? If it's 1.50 lakh, then also, how does a customer give cash when a cheque/DD or bank transfer is possible? The employee should not be blamed for this. Seeing cash, anyone can do this. Why is your company not going to lodge an FIR?
Collecting cash and converting it from black to white, the employee must have sensed the need and just kept the money with him, as the employee knows that if the employer goes for legal action, the company will also be in trouble.
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How can a person keep 15 lakh cash at home? If it's 1.50 lakh, then also, how does a customer give cash when a cheque/DD or bank transfer is possible? The employee should not be blamed for this. Seeing cash, anyone can do this. Why is your company not going to lodge an FIR?
Collecting cash and converting it from black to white, the employee must have sensed the need and just kept the money with him, as the employee knows that if the employer goes for legal action, the company will also be in trouble.
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Rajan Sir, to be frank, I feel this case is goofed up. I feel you are not getting the point and neither following the advice of members. You are just asking how to go from it and how to proceed, etc. So, first tell us your position and power, and who you are and what has been assigned to you in this case. Are you really aware of the seriousness of this incident? In accounts, even a goof-up of ₹100 is a matter of the question of integrity and loyalty of the cashier, accountant, collection boy. Something is really fishy. If you are not a part of this scam, then take immediate action. A scam means this is just a goofed-up story. You are also inquiring from insurance, which means you just think if insurance pays you money, it is solved for you. Because the money of ₹1.5 lakhs already goofed up and shared amongst some employees of your company like the fraud, scam which politicians do. Insurance pays ₹1.5 lakhs to the company, so neither the company is also not in loss, and people getting free money. The loss is the insurance company. You should act within 1 hour and solve the crime.
My Experience in Accounts
I am working as an Assistant Accounts in a government organization, and we strictly follow GFR, GAR Rules. So, whatever money we collect as a receipt on one day should be deposited the same day or the next day to the bank. For all transactions, you can use a cheque, net banking, and other facilities. I don't really understand how your executive collects ₹1.5 lakhs and keeps it in his room instead of depositing it in the bank, and how a customer can give ₹1.5 lakh cash unless it's some black money. Being from the accounts field, this case is not at all possible. Where are your rules regarding the collection and deposit of cash installment receipts?
From India, Madras
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My Experience in Accounts
I am working as an Assistant Accounts in a government organization, and we strictly follow GFR, GAR Rules. So, whatever money we collect as a receipt on one day should be deposited the same day or the next day to the bank. For all transactions, you can use a cheque, net banking, and other facilities. I don't really understand how your executive collects ₹1.5 lakhs and keeps it in his room instead of depositing it in the bank, and how a customer can give ₹1.5 lakh cash unless it's some black money. Being from the accounts field, this case is not at all possible. Where are your rules regarding the collection and deposit of cash installment receipts?
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As stated by the poster, it is a Micro-finance/Retail Finance Company where EMIs could range from Rs. 1000 to 7000. In case of default, collectors do collect EMIs and penalties in cash. However, collectors must deposit the cash with the office on the same day.
1.5 lakhs can be a day's collection, but 15 lakhs is an unimaginable figure.
In the case of insurance for cash, theft, burglary, fraud, etc., filing a Police FIR is a must. The insurance company will not entertain such claims without an FIR.
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1.5 lakhs can be a day's collection, but 15 lakhs is an unimaginable figure.
In the case of insurance for cash, theft, burglary, fraud, etc., filing a Police FIR is a must. The insurance company will not entertain such claims without an FIR.
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Dear Ranjan,
It seems the changing version is rousing suspicion in you, as it is in me. On your part, please state exactly what your staff told you in your statement to the police during their investigation. As an officer of an intelligence agency, I assure you that this will save you.
Secondly, if you have a vigilance or security department, obtain the details of his and his close relations' bank accounts and review them. If he is coming to the office, let those vigilance/security personnel deal with him intimidatingly to elicit the truth. It would be best if this is done by the police and your security officers in the police station. He will surely spill the beans. The rest will follow, such as seizing the amount if available in cash, blocking the account if deposited in a bank account, and so on.
Prima facie, you don't have to worry much because the amount was not handed over to you, or at least there is no such record! But don't rest easy because you will have to answer why you did not approach the police forthwith. It appears that no complaint has been filed. Why? What is your position in the company? Why have you/your company not run to the police station immediately upon learning of the loss? What considerations were there in the delay?
A complaint has to be lodged at the police station of jurisdiction.
Sincerely,
PV Ramana
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It seems the changing version is rousing suspicion in you, as it is in me. On your part, please state exactly what your staff told you in your statement to the police during their investigation. As an officer of an intelligence agency, I assure you that this will save you.
Secondly, if you have a vigilance or security department, obtain the details of his and his close relations' bank accounts and review them. If he is coming to the office, let those vigilance/security personnel deal with him intimidatingly to elicit the truth. It would be best if this is done by the police and your security officers in the police station. He will surely spill the beans. The rest will follow, such as seizing the amount if available in cash, blocking the account if deposited in a bank account, and so on.
Prima facie, you don't have to worry much because the amount was not handed over to you, or at least there is no such record! But don't rest easy because you will have to answer why you did not approach the police forthwith. It appears that no complaint has been filed. Why? What is your position in the company? Why have you/your company not run to the police station immediately upon learning of the loss? What considerations were there in the delay?
A complaint has to be lodged at the police station of jurisdiction.
Sincerely,
PV Ramana
From India
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Handling Employee Incidents: A Step-by-Step Guide
Call the employee in person, especially to your chamber, and inquire about the incident in the presence of some of your colleagues. Get a written confession about what happened with some witnesses. The confession given in writing will be a good record for later reference. Then, ask your boss or immediate superior to inquire about the incident again after some days. Compare the confessions given to you in writing and the confession given to your boss or immediate superior. The truth will be revealed.
Our Experience
1. To conceal one truth, one has to tell several lies.
2. A person who speaks the truth will stand by their statement, even after several months.
3. A fabricated story will be easily revealed when inquired about on different occasions.
4. A statement that is in writing will put the culprit in trouble.
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Call the employee in person, especially to your chamber, and inquire about the incident in the presence of some of your colleagues. Get a written confession about what happened with some witnesses. The confession given in writing will be a good record for later reference. Then, ask your boss or immediate superior to inquire about the incident again after some days. Compare the confessions given to you in writing and the confession given to your boss or immediate superior. The truth will be revealed.
Our Experience
1. To conceal one truth, one has to tell several lies.
2. A person who speaks the truth will stand by their statement, even after several months.
3. A fabricated story will be easily revealed when inquired about on different occasions.
4. A statement that is in writing will put the culprit in trouble.
From India, Madurai
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