Hi ,
India Rebel said "A sickness can not be cured by ignoring it. Ryan, I value your thoughts. I have never seen or experienced any HR guy who did not have hidden agenda this or that.
Look at this, two companie's HR called me and asked money for job, Telling it is security deposit of 50 to 75k. Do you think it is ethical to ask such money.. one thing is there, these are designs made by some crappy HR with management only.
Experience with overseas HR folks have been much better and nice."
You are correct that a sickness cannot be cured by ignoring it. And I don't think its ethical to ask for a so called security deposit for a job. Some time back, I found that a recruitment consultant working with my organization was asking candidates whom them placed to pay them a month's salary. This would have been in addition to what my organization was paying the consultant. I told that consultant not to do this, else we would not give them any more assignments. The consultant tried to sell this as "I groom them to meet your profile standards" - to which I questioned if the grooming could be compared with that provided by Frankfinn (which provides training to flight aviation staff) or NIIT (which provide IT training). The consultant could not answer to this and did not bother our employee - but we soon stopped giving new assignments there, since we had other things to do than get involved in these discussions.
Were you referring to a Training Bond by any chance? By the way, I dont think there are too many people on this planet who DONT have hidden agendas. Even kids have them, :icon4: so lets not point fingers only at the HR guys.
Lovebird said "And whatsoever you may disagree, I have not seen a single organisation wherein the employees have praised their HR, only the HR wastes time in making big big presentations, and depicting that they did this and they did that, and see that they get their regular pay rise, etc.
But if the HR truly works there should not be any need for them to just make big presentations to show what they do for employee welfare, it should automatically come from the employee YES, MY HR DEPT DOES HAVE CONCERN ABOUT MY WELFARE.
So unless someone tells u, dont assume that you HR are contributing too much and greatly to the organisation.."
I am not too sure, but I would consider recruiting someone like India Rebel as a contribution to the organization. Would you have reason to disagree? You are correct when you say that the best positive feedback is that which comes from external sources, rather than the person praising themselves.
Have you taken a look at the world we live in lately? If you don't really praise yourself, not many will praise you - at least not during your lifetime... eg. the person who would make violins with greatest care and concern for quality, became well known post his demise. Ask for a Stradivarius Violin and you will know the value it has today.
I am not prone to making many assumptions - though an HR role requires that assumptions and judgements are made - during recruitment or appraisals or grieviance issues. We, as HR, have to back this with facts, numbers or observable behaviour. By the way, observable is subjective - hence needs to be understood before being judged.
However, it appears that you are suffering from "white crow syndrome" - which means that just because you have not seen something with your eyes (also read as "experienced"), doesn't mean it doesn't exist. To translate further, just because you may not have seen a white crow, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hey, as far as the white crow is concerned Lovebird, YOU do not exist, though other humans possibly exist for it.
I wonder how "truth" is defined. I wonder how many would agree with the definition. And if there is disagreement, does that mean that the TRUTH ceases to exist or becomes a lie? I don't know. Can anyone answer this?
Regards
Ryan