Addressing Employee Relations Issues: HR Actions and Best Practices

The guy who took the interview was not HR at all; he was the production manager. This firm deals with software development. Guys, abuse means only abuse. I don't think it is appropriate to write here the famous F-words related to mom or sis. Then he said he will beat him with his shoes. This had happened.

Hi all,

It doesn't happen usually, but still, it happened. A friend of mine went for the interview for some software development post. He was being abused during the interview. So, considering the above true, I want to know what action can be taken against the concerned HR. Shall we contact the regional labor commissioner for this issue?

Regards,
Sandeep

Hello Sandeep,

Suggest providing the facts of the case/situation rather than a judgmental view of the whole thing. By doing so, you can expect more accurate and relevant opinions from the members.

A case in point is: you used the word 'abused'. That's the way you look at it; maybe not others or maybe they will too--but leave it to the others to arrive at any conclusions. Unless you give full details of WHAT HAPPENED, it's tough for anyone to give you the right feedback.

Regards,
TS

I second TS, please provide complete details so that we all can offer the right feedback and solution to the problem. Without mentioning the name of the company and persons involved, you can state what is being referred to here as ABUSE.

Regards,

Dear Sandeep,

Please make it more precise and provide complete details. Do you want to take action against the HR or the people who interviewed? I am sure the person who attended should have had some respect for himself. Why did he wait and listen to all the words used by the interviewers? He could have responded and given them feedback. Nobody is inferior. Both the company and the employee will benefit from this hire. For a job, we do not need to lose our self-respect. I think it is too late now. At certain times, instant actions are very much required rather than a delayed thought process. Whether the HR person is aware or not is also a question.

Hi,

I request every friend of Cite-HR to give a detailed description of the situation that you seek to discuss and get it resolved. Only then it becomes easier for other members to provide their thoughts and suggestions on the same.

- Babu

I believe in simplifying the whole process instead of complicating it. One can simplify the whole process when detailed information is available on hand.
I agree with you, Mr. Babu.
With profound regards

I agree with Peer. There is no need to keep your self-respect low. If you tolerate it once, they will make you tolerate more...

Guys, I just asked a simple question - how and where to register a complaint against HR? If you guys have any idea, please tell me. If not, then let it be.

No use of raising a complaint against HR. Give a truck driver 10,000 Rs and ask that truck driver to run down the car/bike of the production manager who abused your friend. There itself, justice is done. May his soul rest in peace.

I have no idea in which heaven you reside... I am sure your soul is rocking. You have a terrific sense of humor.

Then, neither your discussions nor those of other members solve the problem. There are many instances where threads run into more than 20 pages, yet the problem remains unsolved. Almost all replies are the same, stating that they only listen to one side of the story. My advice to the thread starter is if you and your friend really feel that you have been abused, there is no need to wait. At that moment, on that same day, they should have solved the issue. On the same day when that abuser appeared, they should have given him a beating with masks on their faces. You should only strike while the iron is hot. Now, after they left the matter, what can they do? File a case against HR in the company or the police station? Will both options help? Will it bring justice? Will the abuser be punished? Even terrorists like Kasab are kept in 5-star jails in India, so what to say of a mere abuser?

Hey Deadsoul,

Below is the personal email sent to Mr. Sandeep, who sought my advice. I do agree with you, but just think for a second, what are our roles and responsibilities as human beings. If I had powers or if I knew magic, then I would have done more than you, which you can't even imagine. I believe in a SYSTEMATIC APPROACH which is MISSING, but it is the ALMIGHTY who has the powers to set everything right. We can't compare ourselves to HIM. I am requesting you not to invite troubles by exceeding your limits. We all are living our lives based on PARAMETERS. Kindly take my words for granted.

"When we are right, no one remembers, but when we are wrong, no one forgets."

Dear Mr. Sandeep,

I apologize for the delay in responding to your email. Kindly forgive.

At the outset, kindly try to understand the difference between you, your brother, and the one who took your brother's INTERVIEW. I know you are feeling bad, but at the same time, you need to control your anger as well. It can harm your health.

You have the following options to decide:

1) Try to gather as much information about the guy who took your brother's interview and post everything about him, including his name, contact details, and company details narrating the incident and his attitude, misbehavior, bad conduct, etc., in any forums where you feel necessary so that people come to know about useless professionals employed at senior levels. This may give you happiness.

2) Write an email to the consultant who gave reference for the interview about whatever happened with your brother and seek his suggestion on what could be done to solve the issue.

3) If you believe in the ALMIGHTY, whatever happened, think that it happened for your brother's good sake. PAST IS ALWAYS PAST. Your brother not reacting to the interviewer's attitude shows that your brother can work under stress and pressure as his PATIENCE LEVELS are high. It's exposure for your brother in a different way, and I am sure next time, your brother will do well and secure his job.

Launching a complaint about an individual's attitude will not solve the issue at all. It's a sheer waste of time. Please understand the complicated process involved where you need to gather complete recorded evidence to prove the interviewer wrong.

If you are not satisfied with my reply, kindly let me know. Don't expect anything from human beings as they are not capable of doing anything. Whatever you want, you ask/beg the ALMIGHTY, and he will definitely bless you, but ensure you are 101% honest, sincere, and truth is the principle of your life. If we are wrong, the ALMIGHTY will never bless us. Yes, you can obtain blessings from humans by doing good things.

Take care, Sandeep, and hope for the best to happen in the nearest future. I am sure everything will be fine. KEEP LOOKING GOOD FOR EVERYTHING. MAINTAIN A POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE.

With profound regards,

Khadir

Then, when neither your discussions nor those of other members solve the problem, there are many instances where threads run into more than 20 pages, and still, the problem remains unsolved. Almost all replies are the same, stating they listen to only one side of the story. My advice to the thread starter is if you and your friend really feel they have been abused, there is no need to wait. At that time itself, on the same day, they should have solved the issue. On the same day when that abuser came out, they should have given him a piece of their mind with a mask over their faces. You should only strike while the iron is hot. Now, after they left the matter, what can they do? File a case against HR in the company or at the police station? Will both be helpful? Will it do justice? Will the abuser receive punishment? Even terrorists like Kasab are kept in 5-star jails in India, then what to think of a mere abuser.

Hello deadsoul2011, Sandeep wrote to me also, and I replied to him—it was a chain of a few emails yesterday. But frankly, I didn't know if it was appropriate to disclose what he wrote to me in private, though I have no inhibitions in posting them—it could help others too who might be in a similar situation. By and large, my emails to him were on the same lines (though a bit more in detail covering the incident from various angles and options available to him) as Khadir's response to Sandeep's email.

Coming to the option/solution you suggested, I can only mention here one of the famous quotes of PV Narasimha Rao (the architect of today's liberalized environment that we take much for granted today in India): "Sometimes, even non-action is also a form of action." Please note this is different from 'inaction.'

Regards, TS

Hello deadsoul2011,

Without going into the details of what Khadir mentioned, let's look at the whole issue in its proper perspective.

If you want to get a solution to any situation/incident, I am sure you would AT LEAST follow the following steps [if not more] -- in this order:

1] Keep your mind totally open, since you are unable to decide how to respond and would like others to suggest ALL options available so that you can make a well-informed decision/choice.

2] Give the full and complete facts of the incident -- so that whatever advice comes would consider the FULL facts [at least from your perspective], since the chances of the advice being 'the right/appropriate one' are directly proportional to the consideration/inclusion of the full facts.

Compare this with Sandeep's expressed interest -- "HOW AND WHERE TO REGISTER A COMPLAINT AGAINST H.R?? If you guys have any idea, please tell me... If not, then let it be..."

He didn't want to listen to any other advice [however sane/logical] -- he just wanted everyone/anyone to tell him on how to teach the HR guy a lesson -- irrespective of so many blind spots/grey areas in his argument. He didn't even want to consider that two wrongs [first by the HR guy and then by him] don't make a right.

It's up to you to reach your conclusions -- whether he was really and sincerely requesting advice.

Also, it does appear that Sandeep wouldn't be any more interested in following this thread, since none want to show him the way/method to cause harm to the HR guy; maybe this thread ought to be closed?

Also, by the way, your suggestion of hiring a truck driver to bump the guy off wouldn't be taken by Sandeep -- since he wanted to do anything as per Indian law.

Sometimes I am surprised by the level of vindictiveness expressed by some of the members -- there was another posting a few days ago which the Moderators had to delete in an intervention step. Are these one-off situations/occurrences or a sign of the direction/way things are moving with the NexGen? Maybe food for thought for all the Moderators/Senior Members?

Regards,

TS

Hey Deadsoul,

I second Mr. Taj, who explained the whole thing beautifully. Let me put it this way:

1) I am habitual in submitting a 360-degree solution to any problem where my role is limited. I can only show individuals THE RIGHT PATH & WRONG PATH, including MERITS & DE-MERITS. A wise man will always stick to the right path; henceforth, it will be my pleasure to guide him to reach his destiny while navigating him on "how to overcome hurdles." NO ONE LOVES TO INSTIGATE AND PROVOKE INDIVIDUALS TO CHOOSE THE WRONG (REVENGE) PATH, UNLESS HE IS A SADIST/EGOISTIC OR HE WAS CHEATED (a person who wants others to take revenge where he might have failed to do so).

2) But, if he decides to embark on his journey by choosing the WRONG PATH, I can still try to educate and convince him to the best of my knowledge. However, do remember "THE REASON FOR COMMITTING MISTAKES IS ANGER/FRUSTRATION/STRESS & NOTHING ELSE." This is the "state of mind" where one has lost "TOTAL SELF-CONTROL." At this stage, if you try to disturb him, he will go "OUT OF CONTROL." It's better "TO LEAVE HIM ALONE or ISOLATE HIM FROM OTHERS TILL HE GAINS SELF-CONTROL."

That was the only reason why no one had suggested Mr. Sandeep "what action can be taken against HR."

WISDOM lies in our THOUGHTS. Sometimes even a wise man goes wrong due to NO PATIENCE LEVELS.

Consider this thread "The Heavyweight of EGO of an HR Manager," and I am sure you know the whole story. Can you let me know whether the organization (top management) has initiated the process to educate the HR MANAGER about his behavior? No one knows about the internal decision, but we members have discussed so much about him. In a similar way, if Mr. Sandeep posts his grievance on citehr or in any forum, can you assure me that the production manager will be punished for his misbehavior? My answer is NO.

To what extent can we, members of this forum, correct individuals?

Let's not worry about those things we can't change or manage. Let's think about our lives, our family members, and those who are closely associated with us...

As I said earlier, we are living our lives based on PARAMETERS. Let's share our knowledge that could help us earn an HONEST WAY, without CHEATING others...

Feel free to ask me anything; I will answer them all. I have a practical solution for every query... and I am grateful to the ALMIGHTY for blessing me with everything... THIS IS MY PERCEPTION.

Have a nice SUNDAY.

With profound regards