Mr Octavious , the same answer was expected from your side and told you earlier please dont take it personally but guess….well you are still not getting my point what I wanted to say here.
You know why I have used your statement “Yes, hr is waste of money, when hr is controlled by management, when hr is seen as just a activity and assumed that it doesn't have any contribution or cannot contribute towards organizational mission, goal and vision” for my answer in your complete post, bcz I wanted to let you know that it is not like that HR Managers are not contributing to achieve organizational missions, goals and vision or not wanted to do so but they are doing their jobs accordingly.
First, Mr. Octavious you have used HR instead of HR Manager here and please go through your statement for this. We were discusses whether HR Managers are the real investment /money for organization or not (Waste of Money) Right?? Your all answers were based on HR or HRD but the main topic was whether the HR Managers are capable of making HR systems by their functions so that an organization can run smoothly/ effectively to achieve the set mission, goals and vision by the Organization, Right?
Why haven’t made any comments on your other statement bcz I have never found anything wrong except your first statement.
HR Managers are doing their job but the thing is that they are constrained to do what Management wants them to do in many cases but not completely and agreed to your statement “HR is waste of Money, when companies and top management wants it to act as per their wimps and fancies, and doesn't like HR interventions”
A-You said “HR is off course a waste of money, when they are not considered as a strategic partner in business”
Could you please explain this? What you want from HRD, from our HR Managers, taking part in making strategies, how to develop a business or provide effective resources to the other departments to functioning those properly in regards to the same, ACHIEVING THE GOALS, MISSION AND VISION set by the organization. Why are you saying that HR is not considered as a strategic Business Partner? I don’t think it comes under HR functions.
See already you have mentioned “Humans or the employees are most important part of any organization. A good company becomes a great company through its employees” and I buy that bcz Employees are the first resources what HR has to provide to all other departments to run an organization and this is comes under HR responsibilities. And you were criticizing the whole Human Resource.
B-You said “HR is waste of time, in those companies, where HR is not seen as department, but treated more like a orderly” Yes I buy that too but my dear guess you haven’t noticed that I didn’t say any single word about this statements bcz I agreed to this and feel the same and now let me ask you one thing that you really thinks that HR Managers are not doing their jobs or are not capable of making good system for running their organization smoothly.
I just wanted to say that it is erroneous to say that HR Managers are waste of Money but need to be more useful, effective towards the attainment of organization goals and missions
That’s what I wanted to say here and hope im to the point and made myself clear this time