How I Let Frustration Lead to False Allegations Against Friends and Their Company

I apologize for making false allegations against my friends and their company, which arose out of personal frustration. I did this out of a sense of revenge and frustration. I created this email address [Login to view] and falsely presented myself as a senior software engineer at IBM Global Solutions. In reality, I am not an employee of either IBM or Oracle.

Mr. Rajeev,

I want to say a few things on this issue.

1. Do you know that if what you said is not true, she can easily take legal action against you? This could result in the loss of your job as well.

2. If what you said is true, you can approach your immediate boss. Report to your team lead or project manager. Ask for their advice on what to do.

I feel it is not right to post these kinds of issues on CITEHR.

Hi Kiran,

I know it is not the right way to present a matter, but I know she can take legal action if it is not true. Only after thorough verification through many sources did I post it here. I do not want to disclose my identity by providing information myself. I have reported this issue to my manager and project manager. They have not taken any action on this matter. Some project mates mention that she entered through a backdoor entry. That might be why our project manager is not responding. What are my other options?

Dear Rajeevraj,

I tell you this:

1) It is wrong to submit a fake certificate, and an employee will lose their job if found.

2) It is the responsibility of HR, along with the Top Management, to check and verify all details as necessary. Each employee may assist in this regard if asked or if they find it relevant to their nature of work.

3) The duty of the employee (in this case, you) ends with giving the information. It is neither your duty nor in your domain to insist on what action should be taken. Keep to your jurisdiction.

4) You are working in the Private Sector, not with the Government where public money is involved. Therefore, the issue of an employee with a fake resume is outside the public domain. It is not a crime against society but against your Company only.

5) Even if a person is proven to have provided a false certificate, it is up to the Company and the Company alone to retain or dismiss the person. Submitting a fake certificate is not a criminal offense but a breach of contract/trust, and the remedy lies in the Civil Court.

Regards,

SC

Dear Kiran,

I do abide by your words. We should not use the name of the person or the organization, which would only show the negativity of the writer. Instead, without revealing the name or the company, you could have obtained the answer from the experienced HR professionals around us. In the future, please try to avoid these kinds of personal comments from being posted.

Regards,
Santhosh Jacob

Hi Rajeev,

I think you have done your part of the job by informing the higher authority about the false information given by the candidate. But at the same time, I suggest please do not post all this on these sites because this may land you into trouble for giving out inside information of the company. Finally, your management is aware of this issue, and still, they have not taken any steps, which means they have some constraints. You discussing this issue will only be seen as spoiling the image of the company, which will not be welcomed by any organization under any circumstance.

But I am really happy to know that we still have people who can raise their voice against wrong deeds. I really appreciate that. Please take my note only as a friend's advice, but finally, you should do whatever you think is right.

Regards,
Pooja

Hi Rajeev,

We come across many people who produce fake experience at the time of selection in the company. It is purely unethical on their part. In your case, I feel glad to see your concern about the company, but you have already done your job by telling your seniors about this issue. I feel bringing this issue here on the forum with name and all other information is not correct; what you can do is just put up a problem and issues to take others' suggestions on this forum. Just think over it.

Regards,
Archna

Dear Santhosh,

I am also in a confused state. Where am I supposed to report against this if my PM's or M's in Oracle, my section is not responding to my letters? Is there any community or desk in Oracle to discuss this matter? Kindly send me a reply soon as the situation is getting more complicated.

Thanks and Regards,

Rajeev Raj.M

Dear Kiran,

I understood what you said. Even I tried really hard to get my job at Oracle without any experience. I didn't put anything false as I have respect for the company I work for. I really oppose these kinds of false procedures, and I want to bring it out. I am just trying for that.

Thanks,
Rajeev Raj.

Dear Rajeev,

I understand your situation. I just wanted to explain what would have happened upon her selection.

1. She would have answered well for all the queries presented to her during the interview.

2. She would have had good exposure in the chosen field, although experience in any organization was not evident.

3. Someone would have recommended her, stating that despite lacking experience, she would be beneficial for the company in the long run.

4. The selectors would have been moved by one of her answers, possibly related to her family situation.

I am reiterating, Rajeev, that nobody can serve any organization in the long run with fake or exaggerated experience. Eventually, the company will realize the lack of contribution, leading to dismissal.

Furthermore, regarding my previous comment, if that specific woman begins contributing to the organization and comes across your post on this site, either personally or through someone else, you may find yourself in an uncomfortable position. She might seek some form of retribution for what she perceives as character assassination.

Therefore, be patient if there is no immediate response. Time will reveal the truth. Focus on your work and avoid being distracted by such matters.

Best regards,

Santhosh Jacob

Hi!

I saw your post. What I would recommend is that you edit and replace her name with Person X. If you are unable to do so, write to CHR to do the same. However, if for any reason you are not able to do so, do write in to me and I will forward your message to CHR.

I am sure that an organization like Oracle will not commit such a blunder when recruiting HR personnel. They must have found her technically sound, a person with the right attitude to carry on the responsibilities.

I also have to ask you one question. Now, may I ask you how you happened to chance upon this person's CV to know that the organization mentioned therein was fake, and what got you interested to inquire whether that particular organization existed or not. They may seem to be bitter questions. But this is what the HR would like to know from you, in case you decide to take up the matter with the HR of the organization.

Regards, Shyamali

As a technical recruiter with a long consulting background and now working in a software development company, the menace of fake profiles is something I'm facing day in and day out.

The situation in Bangalore is such that the number of fake profiles outnumber genuine ones many times over. The situation is spiraling out of control. It is being encouraged by a few HR executives and some consulting companies who are selling fake experience certificates, relieving letters, pay slips, and even degree certificates. In the last month, we've had two candidates claiming 3 years of experience [they had done some courses but did not have ANY real-time experience], openly admitting to buying such certificates from agencies.

So if CiteHR is not a forum where this issue is to be raised, which would be the right forum? I do not agree with the creator of this thread when he uses the real full name of a supposedly fake candidate. But I think fake profiles and certificates are serious issues that need serious action.

Dear All,

Due to a network problem, my reply got posted twice. Please read the post below. Inconvenience caused is regretted.

Regards,
SC

Dear Rajeev,

I feel that you are mixing up social issues with corporate issues. You can fight against injustice, social evils, and causes, but you can only fight against social issues.

Just think, is there any law which states that an Oracle professional should have these qualifications?

What I cannot understand is why you are trying to interfere with a private process and giving it a social or public color. If you were in IAS or if it were PSC or UPSC, what you are doing is absolutely right and you have the right as a citizen to raise such issues since public money is involved.

In the private sector, there is no bar in recruiting management professionals. If I want to keep a Class X pass as MD, nobody has any right to question my decision. Similarly, if I knowingly keep an employee with fake certificates, nobody can question my decision. As long as a company does not break any law of the land, it cannot be held or prosecuted. Let me give an example:

If I steal money from my wife's purse and you inform her. She hears the news and doesn't take any action. Can you compel her to answer? The answer is you cannot since it is a personal matter.

I also agree with Kiran.

In the end, please don't put in names and stop acting like a social revolutionary. If you feel your company is unethical, leave the job.

Regards,

SC

Dear Nemo,

The topic of fake certificates has been discussed at this site, and there have been some very good discussions. You can use a quick search by typing in "Fake Certificates".

The other point I want to make is this: It is your duty as a recruiter to provide the organization with good candidates instead of trying to shift the responsibility to HRs to solve your problems. You are being paid for that. Just imagine if the Indian Armed Forces were to say that terrorist infiltration has increased, so the right place to raise the issue would be in the Pakistani Parliament – what would happen to our country?

I am not making a direct comparison, but what I am trying to convey is that problems can be resolved by improving things within our control rather than attributing blame to someone else.

Regards,
SC

Hi boss,

It's very much required to understand the situation and react accordingly because there are many unregistered companies in Bangalore. She might have worked for one of those unlisted companies. In case there was any doubt, a thorough investigation has to be done to understand the strength of your question. As mentioned by many other CiteHR members, she can sue you if your statement doesn't stand well. So, please avoid using people's names in this regard.

Please find the company name in the market, and it's possible to investigate thoroughly through third-party verifications.

Regards,
Pradeep

Dear SC,

Oracle does have a policy to take action against such employees, and they do take action if found. However, what I am trying to put forward is that the company's high officials are also involved with these culprits. I am not supposed to go further into detail about these people.

I have worked at IBM Global Solutions in Bangalore for 3 years. During that time, I reported similar matters to my manager, and prompt action was taken. I am still aware of people working at IBM with fake certificates, but since I am no longer an employee of IBM, I am not concerned about it. Nevertheless, I truly appreciate IBM's instant response to such issues.

Regards,
Rajeev Raj

Dear Rajeev,

There you are, it is your perception of how a company should be. You are absolutely entitled to your belief. No issue. But, Rajeev, sadly, neither how nor what a company should do falls in your domain. So, how one company should behave depends on the company. If you feel it is unethical, then you should leave it.

I think if I widen your viewpoint to a larger angle, then we should raise our voices when businessmen place their son on the board not because of eligibility but because of his relationship.

I can give you some more issues:

Instead of fighting for such small and petty causes like fake resumes, which have no significant effect or impact on society, being in IT, why don't you raise your voice against blatant and illegal disposal of IT wastes like PCs, keyboards, monitors, and other accessories because they are polluting our environment? Demand proper recycling and disposal methods to eliminate pollution. Make them accountable, tell people not to work in companies that do not follow the same. Increase awareness. Do this, friend, in your part of India, the whole urban system is collapsing, and pollution from both IT and other industries is killing the beautiful city.

Regards,

SC

Dear Nemo,

The topic of fake certificates has been discussed on this site, and there have been some very good discussions. You can use a quick search by typing in "Fake Certificates".

The other point I want to make is this: It is your duty as a recruiter to provide the organization with good candidates instead of trying to pass the responsibility to HR. You are being paid for that. Just imagine if the Indian Armed Forces were to say that terrorist infiltration has increased, so the appropriate place to raise the issue is in the Pakistani Parliament – what would happen to our country?

I am not making a direct comparison, but what I am trying to convey is that problems can only be solved by improving things within our control, not by shifting blame to someone else.

Regards,
SC

Duh! When did I ask HR to solve my problem? I did mention that we identified those fakes. I'm new here, saw this post about an unethical practice issue I face every day, and replied. I was seeking suggestions and/or collective action by all recruiters and HR professionals instead of receiving a patronizing sermon. Thanks anyway... Looks like I'm in the wrong place.

Dear Nemo,

I may have rubbed you the wrong way, but what I am stating is true. Anyway, you can search the site; there are some excellent discussions from our end.

In conclusion, I would like to state that it is the HR who suffers most in the case of fake resumes because recruiters act as vendors. Please don't take offense.

Cheers,
SC

Dear Pradeep,

I am sorry for putting the employee's name here. Anyway, do you think I would do this without a thorough verification? Just listen. Now, there is not even a contact number for this company. I know an employee of Accenture was fired for the same issue. This makes me delve into detail about this company.

Regards,
Rajeev Raj

Dear Mr. Rajeev Raj,

This is quite an unprofessional way to present your issue on citehr. This could result in a lot of negative repercussions if any part of what you said is found to be inaccurate. Please be cautious when making accusations. Simply being aware of the issue is not adequate; you must also possess solid documentary evidence to support your claims. If the company you mentioned does indeed exist legally under the Companies Act, you could easily face a lawsuit and be held accountable for defamation.

I recommend verifying the company's registration under the Companies Act before proceeding with your remarks. Exercise caution in your future actions.

Regarding the Accenture matter, the company may indeed exist, but it might not be involved in the specific business activities mentioned at the established position. Best of luck.

Vyas

Hi Vyas,

I am really sorry about including the employee's name and company name here. Unfortunately, I am unable to edit it again. As you mentioned regarding the issue with Accenture, upon inquiry, it was found that such a company does not exist. This discovery prompted them to take necessary action. I am also attempting to highlight the fact that there is no such company. I even inquired with the Registrar of Companies (ROC) to confirm if they are registered. However, I received a negative response from them as well.

Rajeev Raj

Hi Rajiv,

You are right; fake certificates should not be entertained. But do not mention the names of the persons. Don't you think you have put her name on a block list? The same may happen to you sometime in the future. Working in an MNC does not mean everything.

We make mistakes to survive, but not always, only sometimes. Give her your support and advise her not to do such things.

Ram.

Hi Archna,

Thank you for your comment. I have already sent a written letter with the documents I collected as a sample document from the same source (the exact copy of the same fake certificates, including the revised payslip and offer letter) that the candidate obtained and produced to the Director of HR at Oracle Head Office and to the Senior Director of HR at Oracle, Bangalore. I hope they will do the needful.

Regards,
Rajeev

Hi Kiran,

Don't get demotivated by such things. If you are confident that the person has provided a fake certificate, then she will have to prove her ability through her work. Focus on your work and demonstrate to the management how capable you are. Spending time proving the facts will not benefit you in any way.

Wishing you all the best and take the views given by others in a positive manner.

Pravin Salian