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Can we seriously think of turning the mockery called summer training / internship for professional students into a value adding activity instead of the current level of a mockery by all stake holders?
We need to discuss this as a brainstorming. Interested? Can some one in the group sponsor place for the same? One of the Saturdays / Sundays / holidays may be convenient for those who are truly interested in the topic.
19th November 2013 From India, Haldwani
What is in it for the student - learning? A certificate which they can otherwise get even without stepping in the office?
Unless we have something tangible for the student to gain out of it, you can't expect him to take it seriously.
Internships are usually non-serious, wouldn't say "mockery" though. Companies are generally non serious about internships, don't want to spend time and resources and non-seriousness is what they get. Way to break it would be for the companies to have meaning tasks, mentors and rewards for the interns.
19th November 2013 From India, Delhi
Dear Mr Bodhisutra
My question is how to make the summer training meaningful to all concerned. I strongly feel that we from the industry can make it if the universities and institutes are not serious about it. It is ultimately the industry that is going to employ the students mostly.
22nd November 2013 From India, Haldwani
Dear Devarajan,

Bodhisutra is right. Industries have to take responsibility for the situation. As long as the industries do not pay for the interns there is no commitment on their part to make good use of them. I had experienced the same 50+ years ago, while doing summer internships as part of the Engineering Degree. We were mainly allowed to watch workers operating the machines, etc. When an operator allowed me to use a bench drill, the supervisor asked the worker why has he allowed me to operate the machine affecting production. To which the worker responded "I do not like the boy to be watching me all day long and waste his time; let him gain some experience of drilling moulds; if my bonus suffers, so be it." In other departments, like foundry, safety aspects came in the way of gaining hands on experience. Institutions knew how difficult it was and, also, the internship did not contribute any marks towards the degree.

That said, in the field of management students can be asked to reflect on their experience and observations and write about the problems faced, etc., and that can be graded and made a part of the degree qualification.
22nd November 2013 From United Kingdom
I would tend to totally disagree with you that the Educational Institutes could afford to be non serious about these internships whilst industry has to take the lead because it has to employ them. Let's understand that it's high time that education in our country has to be more meaningful. We cannot examine only internships or summer training in isolation. The synergy between industry and the Educational Institutions will come about when there is mutual appreciation for each other. The Educational Institutes have to take the first step and work their way out from the queasy grips of apathy expressed by those run by the Govt. and total disinterest in 'conversion' of students into making them employable, by those run in the private. Short term gains are sought by conducting personality development programmes, which are an eye wash because they are always done at the fag end of the programmes. I have been suggesting Faculty Development Programmes with certain rigours, where the faculty have to forget their 9-5 stand and work their way up into becoming effective teachers by imbibing more from the corporate and spend extra time in understanding and comprehending the expectations of the corporate, so that whatever subject of academic interest they teach, they should be able to draw out examples from their observations and not address academics in a naive theoretical manner where the student does not have any grooming. They should be made accountable for their summer training instead and strictly monitored by a faculty member who should coordinate with the corporate and the guide nominated there. I shall be glad if views could be expressed freely so that I could add value to my process of thinking.
27th November 2013 From India, New Delhi
My thanks to those who have commented on the topic. Mr Nashbramhall has thrown some light that the situation was no better more than 50 years back.

With the mushrooming of 'professional' courses and colleges to make money out of the unprecedented number of students getting admission into them, and the mandatory nature of the summer / industrial training, where are we going? What is the percentage of the student population who benefit from the summer training? As a HR managers (with a good heart), most of us dont refuse certificates to the students approaching us so that they are able to complete the courses. Some of us helped with some ready made reports which the students photocopied / printed without even going through them. This is very much in the knowledge of the colleges / universities and they dont care. The parents and the students would like the course to be completed by crook or by fluke. I tried taking this up in many academic / management forums (in UP and Uttarkhand) but without any outcome. Now I am taking this through this forum so that something useful to the students can be designed.

Can we start talking something and later involve the other stake holders of this activity, viz. students, parents, academicians to refine and implement the identified process?

27th November 2013 From India, Haldwani
I did not read the comments of Mr Dhruva Trivedy prior to posting my comments. I agree that the educationists cannot be disinterested but they are. I am making a sweeping generalized statement, fully knowing there are exceptions like the IITs, IIMs and a small number of equally reputed and responsible colleges.
I am getting convinced from the comments of the expert friends that the need for a review of the summer training activity is an absolute necessity. May be a set up like HRD Network can plan one of their National events to discuss the subject.
27th November 2013 From India, Haldwani
I agree with the views of Mr.Simhan. The situation has not changed much and there may be very few exceptions.The summary internships are merely treated as academic rituals. Neither institution is interested nor the industry is interested in developing the students nor the student himself is interested.These are the three stake holders who are to be involved in any effort to make summer internships meaningful.It is first the institution that shall initiate discussion with industry and prepare a frame work on the issue as to how to go about it. Probably teh the Apex bodies of commerce and industry can play an effective role in it.

27th November 2013 From India, Mumbai
Saikumar has correctly identified the 3 key stakeholders. I had attached my presentation on Internship at last year. There is a slight difference between Internship and Work Placement.
I would very much welcome feedback on my presentation. The presentation was given to students and some academics attended. I have not tried to give the same presentation to people from any industry. If any of you want to make use of the presentation, please feel free to do so. If you use it, a feedback on where you use and how it was received would be appreciated.
27th November 2013 From United Kingdom

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Another pointer - companies which provide pre-placement offers to interns who fulfill certain performance criteria gain a lot from internships and students are dead serious about them.
If the company cannot give them a pre-placement offer, probably there can be some recognition/cash award etc at the end of the internship.
But then, the question is what can the company gain out of 2 months of a college student with some theoretical knowledge at best. Or rather, what should a smart company expect to gain out of interns and what should it do to create conditions to make it happen.
28th November 2013 From India, Delhi
Dear Bodhisutra,

The question raised by you, in your post above, about the benefits of providing short-term internship has been highlighted in my presentation. For more details please see What are the benefits to my organisation?

Let me give you an anecdotal example. This example covers an issue raised about a student's role in making internship a valuable experience. An MNC had taken two students studying for a Marketing degree. One student was quite good at handling computer software like Excel, Word and PowerPoint. He was also a keen learner and wanted to make headway. To cut the story short, both were sent to help a conference of top directors. The keen learner helped create a database of all the delegates and the other was happy to act as a receptionist. The former also made useful contacts and built up his network. People who got to know his capabilities in using software would go to him for help. The boss noticed that and asked the student to run short courses for others about using the products. The company appointed him,after his graduation, as a Product Manager. The company appointed him without spending on recruitment costs.
28th November 2013 From United Kingdom
Dear Simhan

I have gone through your internship PPT..This is an excellent and lucid presentation on the objects,responsibilities and benefits of internship to all the three stake holders.I always believed that internship provides a platform for learning new skills and relating theory with practice.I also know instances of students who took their internships seriously and understood it's value addition.and completed their internships with commitment, were able to make themselves more employable since they could successfully and satisfactorily answer the employers who showed interest in their projects and quizzed them on it in the interviews when compared to those who showed mere academic interest in them during their summer internships since the employers could find it to be an exercise in window dressing and found them lacking on the traits of commitment. involvement and learning.Yes it enhances the chances of employablity. Thanks for sharing it.


Navi Mubai
28th November 2013 From India, Mumbai
Dear Saikumar, you are right about the rewards for commitment when undergoing internship/work placement. In the UK, unlike in India (where there is a competitive exam for joining medicals), students are chosen based on their academic grades and the performance in an interview with a panel. People who have taken suitable work placements can write about that in their CVs and also talk about it.
As mentioned in the benefits of undertaking work placement at Medicine work experience - The Student Room a student can decide whether a certain field is of any interest to the student. I know of students studying for an Engineering Degree or Law Degree, etc., because their families recommend them, move away from those fields when they get employment. Some change because the do not enjoy the field and others because they do not much scope in that field ("Grass is always greener over the fence.", as the saying goes.)
28th November 2013 From United Kingdom
Dear Mr Sadana
Thanks for offering a place for discussions. Unfortunately I am in Chennai and i may not be able to come there. May be those in Pune can meet, discuss and share the outcome with the members. Similarly other locations can also take similar activities. Involving many stakeholders (students, academicians, industry representatives and parents of students) and brain storming on this would be of great support.
2nd December 2013 From India, Haldwani
inter at age of 17. any relevent doc from child labour act.
12th February 2018 From India, Mumbai
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