Dipil
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Hansa Vyas
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Kesava Pillai
Occupational Safety & Health
Abhaygirish
Hr Executive
PTRC
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Rtraman
Industrial Safety
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Thread Started by #dipil

Dear All



As per ANSI Z49.1:2005 Oxygen Gas Cylinder in Storage Shall be kept with a safe distance of 6.1meters from combustable gas cylinders.



As per Gas Cylinder Rules 2004, Chapter 2, General Provisions, Section 21:Storage of cylinders: Cylinders containing flammable gases and toxic gases shall be kept separated from each other and from cylinders containing other types of gases by an adequate distance or by a suitable partition wall.



Gas Cylinder Rules 2004 is not specifying how much distance and both the above is related to storage of gas cylinders only.



No my question is:



1. What should be the safe distance between fuel & Oxygen while storage as per statues in India? Which is the latest applicable Act/Rule in India regarding the same?



2. What should be the safe distance while transporting fuel & Oxygen as per statues in India? Transporting in same trolley is safe or not?



3. What should be the safe distance between fuel & Oxygen while in use as per statues in India?



Request to put some lights into the topic. If you are not having updates of Indian Statues, please let me know the same as per any other legalization.
29th March 2011 From India
Dear All , Pl. come up with suggestion for the above with the help of Seniors who are familier with rules & regulations . Regards, Abhay
30th March 2011 From India, Mumbai
I am attaching h/w NFPA - 55 which I received from a friend. The requirements related to distance to be observed between various type of gases is mentioned on Page No. 9 (Table 2-1.5)
31st March 2011 From India, Coimbatore

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1.While storage 10 feet distance shall be practically maintained between fuel and Oxygen cylinders.

2. NEVER KEEP FUEL & OXYGEN IN THE SAME VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTATION. So no question of safe distance arises. It is not safe to transfer fuel & Oxygen cylinders in the same trolley. Trolley designed for two cylinders shall be used to keep both the Oxygen & Fuel cylinders upright, held with chain while in use.

3. No specific distance is mentioned in statues while in use. Other precautionary measures like leaks around the valve stem, leaks from regulator, fuse plug,providing hoods over the cylinder to prevent fall of hot spatters etc.shall be ensured as better prevention.
RAVINATH
31st March 2011 From India, Mumbai
Dear All
Good Afternoon to all of you. I joined this site day before yesterday.
Ravinath you are very much right. I can't understand for what purpose he wants to know about that, kindly clear the purpose.
Regards
Yadvinder Sharma
31st March 2011 From India, Mumbai
@PTRC

Dear Sir

Thanks for providing me the NFPA 55 standard... The table 2-1.5 is basically for Toxic Gases, if I understood rightly wheras in our case both LPG and Oxygen are not toxic... However this document also clearly mentioning about a distance of 6.1m...

@Ravinath

Thanks for your inputs into the thread. I just want to know whether this 3meter distance is safe while storage where all the document is saying safe disatance to be maintained is 6.1m.. This you say in view of practicallity only na... Please have a look into the trolley in the attached file and give your suggestion... Whether this transportaion is safe... Somethime keepin both cylinder in this same trolley and using at site...

@Yadvinder Sharma

First of all warm welcome to the forum.. Hope we will get a lot to learn from yourside...

Now my purpose is that I have raise objection against the existing practices going on in our plant regading the storage of cylinders... Its not in main storage, but in site wise storage... So the management is not convinced by my inputs.. So thought of study more about it before giving further proposal... So requesting you to please go through the attachment and give your valuable comments...

@ All: Please go throught the attachment and give value addition to the thread please...

@Abhay: Thanks for your inputs...

Thanks in advance to all...


31st March 2011 From India

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Dear all, I had also captured a wrong practice of handling & transporting of chlorine cylinders. Kindly comment on its hazards & corrective actions of transporting them. Regards, Hansa Vyas
5th April 2011 From India, Udaipur

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Dear Hansa
As per my view, it's ok to transport the same in this bobcat... What missing is that it's not secured properly... If this cylinder by keeping in vertical and properly secured, I think no more issues...
Lets wait for experts advice... Hope to get reply's...
5th April 2011 From India
On 29-06-10 a news paper reported this case (clipping in my storage): In Bhayandar (East) in a welding unit in Kasturi Ind Estate Jagdish Sahani was rolling the cylinder by his leg when cylinder burst. His leg dismantled and was thrown 300 meter away. Police took 3 hrs to find the leg. His another leg was injured to an extent that it had to be amputated in the hospital. Have not seen follow up news on what happened next
6th April 2011 From India, Coimbatore
Dear PTRC, Such incident happened in our plant too.IP was rolling O2 cylinder & it brust & his leg torn into pieces. Regards, Hansa Vyas
6th April 2011 From India, Udaipur
Dear friends,
Interesting discussion.
Solve the problem :
Oxygen cylinders in storage will be separated from fuel gas cylinders or combustible materials (especially oil and grease) by a minimum distance of 6 meters (20 feet) or by a noncombustible barrier at least 1.8 to 2 meters high having a fire resistance rating of ½ hour.
This is only for bulk storage, not for cylinders in service. Even at site if storgae is necessitated this seperation is essential. You make a combined cage, have a fire resistant partition between O2 and fuel gases and again sepereting full and empty cyinders and have sign boards (Fuel gas - empty - full, O2 Empty - full etc. ) you are safe with your storage.
Regards
Kesava Pillai
7th April 2011 From India, Kollam
Dear Sir
Thanks for come back and give your valuable advice...
You have resolved the issue regarding storage... Now request you to further guide on transportation and while in use... How much distance to be ensure while transporting and while in use... I have attached the photos in earlier reply of the practice we are following.. Is that right and safe?...
Please guide...
7th April 2011 From India
@ Hansa.
Thank you for the information. When & where did that happen? I am interested in knowing if the victim received compensation and rehabilitated?
For information of all members: I edit a bimonthly on Occupational Health & safety in Gujarati since last 20 years. Those interested may request me for sample copy. April issue in press.
7th April 2011 From India, Coimbatore
Dear PTRC, i will try my best to get the detail info. Actually this acident happened long long back before i joined this company..... Regards, Hansa
7th April 2011 From India, Udaipur
Interesting Discussion.
Good evening to all.
For the picture attached by Hansa -
1.The equipment being used for transporting the cylinder seems to be a Earth /Soil handling equipment.
2.From safety point of view, equipments should only be used for the purpose they are ment for and not for other purpose.
3.The Cylinder being transported is not secured.
4. A question - is the driver aware of the hazards of the material (Chlorine) he is handling and is he competent enough / trained for such material handling?
5.The cart is hydraulically operated. The hydraulic system may mal function or may be mis operated, causing toppling of the cylinder.
A simple cart can be fabricatted with arrangments for securing the cylinder and may be attached to a tow car or any other media of transport.
8th April 2011 From India, Varanasi
Dear Hansa,
Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I was not able to visit the site due to personal reasons. It seems that I have missed a lot of discussions.
This topic of discussion is very interesting and will help us a lot in developing and implementing a safe practice for cylinder handling at the job site.
Can you please take some pain to find out the details and investigation reports and photos if any of the incident that you have mentioned earlier. Actually the wrong practice of rolling the cylinders and pushing by legs is followed in every industry. If you can share the details, I can use it to motivate the concerned people to follow the safe practices.
Dear PTRC: Request you to pls. share the details. It will really help.
8th April 2011 From India, Varanasi
Dear Hansa,
the photo for Cl2 carrying is a wrong practice.
The JCB is not to be used for carrying such type of cylinders.
It must be hooked and carried only in cage type of trolley made for cylinder transfer.
shailesh
10th April 2011 From India, Pune
Dear All
How much distance to be maintained while transporting and while in use between oxygen and fuel gas (LPG or DA)...
Can anyone come up with the solution to this???
If you can give the reference to any act or rule it will be of much help to me...
Thanks in advance...
29th October 2011 From India
SAFETY DISTANCES ARE MENTIONED IN GAS CYLINDER RULES 2004.
IT IS BASED ON QUANTITY BEING STORED>
PL REFER FORM F
DISTANCES ARE MENTIONED UNDER CONDTIONS HEAD.
YOU CAN OTHER DETAILS IN OTHER FORMSATTACHED IN THE RULES.
REF PAGES ARE 43 to 46 in 2008 EDITION .
THE RULES ARE SAME FOR ALL TOXIC AND FLAMMEABLE GASES
24th December 2012 From India, Mumbai
Transportation of chlorine cylinder through terex bucket is most unsafe.
Transportation should not be done in vertical postion.
Due to sudden jump of terex at uneven place and fall of cylinder can create major emergency.
Transportation can be done in a truck in vertical postion but with after tying with suitable ropes.
There should be good trolley attached with terex of suitable height equal to cylinder with tying arrangement
.if transportation is to be done in terex then the cylinder should be in horizontal postion with side supports and tying arrangement.
Under no circumstances it should fall to the ground.
24th December 2012 From India, Mumbai
#Anonymous
Haii all,
1. What should be the safe distance between LPG cylinders room & fuel room while storage in industries? Which is the latest applicable Act/Rule in India regarding the same?
4th December 2017 From India, undefined
Hi All
What should be he safe distance of storing hydrogen and oxygen gas cylinders in lab?
Regards,
V Srivastava
9th September 2018 From India, Hyderabad
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