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Thread Started by #cirus

*KINDLY READ IT AGAIN AS I ADDED COUPLE OF MORE THINGS.

Hi All,

A recent incident happened at one of the very big organizations of South India which we all must have heard of and that is Tata Coffee Limited, Bangalore. A Senior HR Executive(Generalist) was terminated verbally by the MD of the company just because of the introductory mail attached below. Not only was he terminated but was also made to hear some very unprofessional words.

The Introductory Mail is as below :Subject : New flavor in TCL.

Good Morning Team.This is V*****. I am a new flavor of your Tata Coffee now. Just hop on board with you guys. About me; I am a ‘Happy-go-Lucky’ kind of a person. Happy because I am blessed with a good life and good heart with lots of love for food and Lucky because I am always surrounded by awesome people. Great enthu, positive go-getter attitude and strong determination sum up to personify ME. A sports loving freak who is totally mad of water sports. Did parasailing, water skeeing, Aqua diving, boat sailing and rock climbing in the past. A person who always keep the boredom a step aside. Basically I am from Delhi and belong to defance family (Dad was in Indian Navy) due to transferable job got opportunity to visit many coastal southern parts of India during my schooling. Came to Bangalore for my MBA course which helped me develop a great understanding about HR domain; prior to that did my Graduation (BSc-Phy) from Mumbai. Work wise having an experience of 2+ yrs and started my carrier with IT Service Industry (***** company) on HR Generalist role. Joined TCL as “Senior Executive-HR” in HR department.
So to sum it up I am a fun loving sporty person with around 2 + yrs exp. Just here to join you all and look forward for a happy, productive innings. Here with you guys.

"The person who is going through all this had to leave his ex-employer by buying back his notice period of 45 days, which costs a huge amount & then after working with Tata Coffee Limited for just 10 days was terminated with immediate effect. He was hired on 1 yr contract basis directly by TCL HR Head.

He is been terminated with immediate effect where MD of the company directly called him up in his cabin & verbally terminated him in the presence of VP and HR head. Reason being why he marked the mail to Sr people and the MD.

Trust me the short conversation which was happened in the MD’s cabin was so much awful an unprofessional.

And best of all,There was no mail transaction at all from MD side or HR head.The best part is his reporting person was directly the HR HEAD and she also couldn`t help him just becoz MD was outr of his mind.

The Hr head was so overwhelmed with his performance and new ideas & strategies, that she is also trying to help him by referring him to his freinds.

MD is a senior person,but only he can`t be right and all other people be wrong. And if we HR`s are not secured at the job front then how can company expect us to perform well enough.

That poor chap is going through a sad time now.He has financial crisis,no job,and still MD uses words like "Shit"for him and his introductory mail.How can he play with the life of a person whom, not him but his HR head had employed.
Poor chap had to buy back his 45 days notice period with his ex-employer and now he has no job at the moment.
How can people play with the lives of such inncocent still hardworking youth.

Regards

Cirus

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Hi Guys

I read all the replies and comments. Thanks for sharing your views and suggestions on the same. This is what has happened after shooting that introductory mail

The MD called this guy inside his cabin.

MD: "what kind of shit is this?"
Guy: "sir, its an introductory mail"
MD: Who the hell do you think you are and who gave you permission to send such kind of shit and that too to MD; what is this you wrote- you like water sports, parasailing. What you think any person can join & send a mail to Ratan Tata- hey! i have joined. Who cares that you joined or resigned?
Guy: I am sorry sir
MD: You better be! and i am going to terminate you for this!
Guy: Sir....
MD: you may leave now

This conversation happen in the presence of HR head & VP of TCL. They didn’t utter a single word.

Later half HR head called him in his cabin & said, look dear i tried to pacify things to MD but,.... i think not the right discuss on this topic now with MD. Give me a weeks time and let me see what best i can do.... but dont keep much hope as its very difficult to change the MD's decision. Once he decided any thing than he stick on to it.
Any ways let me try with my known people if they are having any HR vaccancies. Also she asked; Will your company will take you back?

Irony is that; this guy buyback the notice period of 30 days as HR Head wants him to join ASAP becoz to involve him in one of the assignment.

Secondly, he received so many welcoming mail from all over the offices (including Sr Mgrs and Mgrs) Also after shooting the mail he was been introduced with all the office staff people face to face where every one (including Sr Mgrs) appreciated him for such kind of innovative way to introduce self.

In a short span of 2-3 days this guy proved himself and the recruitment drive he was working on was a great success for which the Dy HR praise him (but over the phone) and also after a week.

I agree with all the cite Hr’ians related to their comments, but I strongly feel that certainly termination was not the solution of this incident.

I have learnt the lesson in a very hard way;but my enthu. level and my creativity will always going to remain the same. People who know me will always find me smiling.

Like to thank my friend CIRUS who helped me to share the incident with you all.

From

The Guy who faced all this.
20th June 2008 From India
Hi,

I am sure a person like him will not be idle for long. And if the HR fraternity (Head HR of TCL and CiteHR friends) is helping him out, he will find a suitable position soon.

All I can say is that “He was fit for the company, BUT the company was not fit for him

Rgds
JJ



20th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
I agree with you Mr JJ, i am sure he will find a good job soon. Wish him ALL THE BEST.
I request all the HR fraternity to share their views on this incident and also to help this chap out. Can mail him any suitable HR opening on hrjobforme@hotmail.com.
Regards
Cirus
20th June 2008 From India
Dear Cirus
If it is only because this person has sent the mail to senior executives that he has been terminated, then by all means it is unfair. At the most, there should have been a censure and nothing else (although I still do not see why since its only an introductory mail!).
A lot of companies have a policy of sending introductory mails for every new recruit and there is usually a designated person and a format to do so. If TCL has none and if it is against company policy to send such mails (again I see no reason why, but if its the policy then so be it) then he should have been made aware of it but it certainly does not merit a termination.
Personally, if I am able to help this person out in any way I would be glad to, so if you can forward his details to me I might be able to do something. Again, this is purely on the premise that the incident has happened exactly as you have stated and there are no other facts in this.
Thanks
MM
20th June 2008 From India, Mumbai
Hi Friends
I agree with Cirus and JJ...The act by the MD is very unprofessional and he himself don,t understand the meaning of professionalism even after being in such a senior position. I believe this guy is full of enthu and energy while floating of this introductory mail and these energetic guys are always an asset to the company with their innovative ideas and happy-go lucky attitude.
If somewhow MD hasn't liked his way of introducing himself to the other members he would have given him a piece of advise either directly or through his HR head this issue isn't that big to terminate him, even if he is in a bad state of mind , moreover if the MD of such company can take such decisions just because of his short temperament then this is going to be a major hindrance in the company,s growth.
I wish all da best to this guy in getting a good job.....
Cheers
Tushar
20th June 2008 From India, Kolkata
Thanks Tusshar' i completely agree with you on the same.
TCL is a manufacturing company & very hierarchal. Head HR said that "you shouldn't mark it to MD"; irony is that he received warm welcomming mail from all over the department people and the Sr manager working in the company.
I am not having exposure of manufacturing company & fail to understand that is termination is justifiyable in the above context. I am not aware regarding TCL company policies but always woul d be on the side of warning mail instead of termination.
Friends i am his friends and i am aware of the each and every fact what happened. It 's an eye opener that even in reputed companies like TATA Coffee such kind of incidents are happening.
You can reach Mr Yadav on 9900176208 and can help him with any suitable opening into HR area.
Regards
Cirus
20th June 2008 From India
Hi Cirus
As our friends mentioned in the earlier replies mistake is clearly on the MD.......
Here in our office it is a must rule that every new person has to send an introductory mail to All senior people .....
I do not know whats the wrong with that person to read a mail.....
Hope he will be get the best place where he can execute whatever he likes;
All the very best to that Guy...
20th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
The HR person is a fool calling himself as new flavor of TCL, and the email is so childish and unprofessional.
HR does not mean you just write any email, that too such a email which represents a poem written by child..
The MD, and other senior persons work all day , slog all day and got irritated because this person just wasted time on writing childish emails.
20th June 2008 From India, Pune
The life of one HR guy is played with and you are so disturbed..
what about the reality that HR play with so many other peoples lives,
even though the TECHNICAL HEAD recruits people the HR interfers and rejects them
and you ask ..
How can he play with the life of a person whom, not him but his HR head had employed.
20th June 2008 From India, Pune
Hi Ravi,

First of all thank you for reading the mail & took time to share your thoughts on the same.

I am not creating a issue of termination of a meagre HR Executive, this posting is an eye opener for all the people that such incidence are happening in a big corporate like TATA Coffee Ltd, where the basic value, ethics & code of conducts are very popular in the industry.

I am not in favour or against of any one but what is wrong is wrong and we should not down grade ourselves & feel superior and happy just because it happened with one of the HR (though he was much junior & having mere close to 2 yrs of exp)

Seems that you had some bitter experience with HR people but that doesn't mean that we should laugh or make such kind of comments if some sort of injustice happening with some one.

Friends again i'll appeal to all HR fraternities if they are encountering any job opening of HR Generalist or HR Executive in Bangalore, kindly inform Mr Yadav on the same. You can mail him on

Regards

Cirus
22nd June 2008 From India
Dear
It is different to be casual after you understand the people around you & not before.If your Boss is a serious person it is important to understand & respect his/her seriousness. Protocol in Companies have to be respected & maintained . Misdemanours of this sort may land you in trouble. Even now if you feel sorry you can melt the Boss "s heart.
With Regards
V.Sounder Rajan

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24th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
It is always a good idea to find out what kind of working climate exists in a company when you are a new joinee. I do not think that the management can possibly give an exhaustive list of do's and don'ts. As professionals we need to behave in a mature manner. Instead of shooting off that mail, he could have checked to see if such a thing was acceptable.
Having said that, if I was his direct reporting manager I would have quit in protest because the MD completely sidelined him and behaved like an autocrat.
Asha Varghese
25th June 2008
hi its highly unethical. Even if the MD receives any mail which is unwanted, he can ignore and get along with work. He has a huge responsibility than porking his nose in such silly issues. He could have sent an all the best note to this guy which would have made him very happy or just ignore it.
Some of the top officials think that they are so high and they need not talk to any junior level people and think its a disgrace to them. But they completely forget that the effors of all junior level contributes more to the development of the company as they get involve in the clerical and physical job.
I read his mail, the introduction is very good and i wish him all the best to get a good job. This company is unfortunate to hold him with them, but i am sure he will find the fortunate company which will be benefitted by choosing him.
Regards
Bavani
25th June 2008 From India, Madras
In my opinion sending an introductory mail is certainly not the crime here. No doubt there seems lots of enthusiasm and energy in his mail but being a Sr. HR Executive his mail lacks professional touch and seems that of a College going guy. He holds a position which should show up some maturity than being fun and freak loving kind. This is where the importance of Summer training and industrial training one needs to understand and learn.

There is always a protocol to be maintained. Therefore, before sending out the mail it is important to understand whom it is to be addressed to and sent to and accordingly the content be designed. This kind of mail is certainly good among friends and peers but not to MD and other Sr. Management persons.

May be it was also too early for him to open up this way. Rather, he should have first tried to understand the culture of the organisation and there after by creating a good rapport with in the Company could have initiated for a culture change gradually and step wise if at all he felt the need in such a short period.

To my understanding and as also known to me thru some of my colleagues and friends in TATA group Companies, it is highly professional but a Culture Value based Company. Probably that is the reason the MD should have considered this kind of introductory mail to cause a dent in the existing culture of the Company.

Indeed, termination of the candidate is too disproportionate and harsh an action w.r.t the mail and not the right approach on MD's part. Even warning at this stage and for this reason is not appropriate.

Had I been the MD and not liked this kind of a mail, I would have called the HR Head and asked him to first praise for his enthusiasm and that we expect the same from him in his professional functioning too. Then introduce him to the existing Company culture, values and the protocols and Counsel and guide the guy in a fashion that he doesn't loose his enthusiasm and also respects the Values of the Company.

Members may differ with my opinion.

I offer all my best wishes and a good luck to him for a better job.

Parwez
25th June 2008 From India, Delhi
Hi All, Is there any way to contact this person, ? Regards Sanjay Pillai Human Resource(Recruitment) Intertitle Inc ITPL, Bangalore.
25th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
Hi,
Is there a contact for this person.., seems like a good resource ,learnt a lesson the hard way..
If there is any way to contact this bloke, might be able to help him out..
Thanks
Sanjay Pillai
Sr Executive-Human Resource
Intertitle Inc.(Division of First American Corporation)
ITPL, Bangalore-46

25th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
Hi,
In my opinion this person hasn't done anything wrong by sending this kind of mail, after reading the mail I just thought its such a innovative way of introducing yourself to everyone and show people that you are approachful. But one thing I guess created problem was marking it to MD, may be MD of TATA coffee is person of reserved school of thoughts , he didnt understand the motive of writing this mail, still he could have just called HR head and explained the situation to him instaed of firing the person.
This guy should ask for written explaination for his termination.
Regards,
KT
25th June 2008 From India, Pune
Hi,

I have read all mails related to this topic. I am not in a position to pass any judgment on this issue, as till now we know only one side of the coin. Simply looking at mail, we can say the person who has written it is immature & the person who has terminated on this ground only is little more immature unless something else has also happened behind the curtain.

This issue could be handled in a much better way by both management & the person. Now, I can only say that your friend should remember that everything happens for good. Learn the appropriate lesson from the incident & move on.

Regards,
25th June 2008 From India, Calcutta
That guy should have given chance for explanation.The matter was not serious to extent of termination.MD may have some other reasons for his act. I feel sorry for the HR guy.
25th June 2008 From India, New Delhi
I would really empathise him, but somehow feel that being an official intro letter , it could have been presented in a better professional language and in a subtle way about himself. Because while going thru the content i feel that he might be an outspoken and straight forward person but that won't work out in all times. Human minds are very different and un predictable. so should have been little more careful when writing the same officially.
Anyways i wish him to get away soon from this small setback.
regards,
ajhan.
25th June 2008 From India, Madras
Dear Cirus,
I personally feel these type of issues might have two sides. So the comment that MD's action is wrong is agreeable to all of us.
But these should have gone into a details discussion between the two and then only we can come to a conclusion. Because the email was not given certain details like Does the terminated person is against policy or has he informed or does he use unlawful words etc.... The email gives details only about the MD's action.
We can give only the general view from this issue that for indutory email like this - termination might be too harsh or wrong. But I can argue that if the contract mentioned clearly sending unnecessary emails including fancy introductory letters will have adverse effect - then the action can be justified.
Hope someone will agree with me.
Thanks - N. Hari
25th June 2008 From India, Madras
Hi,
I would really empathise him, but while going thru the content i feel that it could have been presented in a better language being an official intro letter. and moreover he might be an outspoken and straight forward person ... but it won't work out at all all times. I feel he could have mentioned about his presonal traits in a subtle way. As we know human minds are very different and un predictable , these sad things tend to happen , if certain things are not communicated according to the respective place and people culture and expectations.
anyways wish him to get away soon from this small set back.
rgs,
ajhan.
25th June 2008 From India, Madras
Hi Ravi,
Can you tell me, if being kiddish is foolishness??Its ones own behavior & attitute of living life.. If i am a happy go getter & want to share my thoughts with others, its no big offense. I do agree with you that the MD & the other senior personnel slog all through the day & must have got irritated with his mail.. But there is a way of communicating, you cannot be letting out your frustration on others, being on such a responsible position.. They must have spoken to him & made a few things clear about their company norms,professionalism that is being followed in their company etc etc.. I really feel sad for him.. Hope he has a great future ahead...
Regards
Rekha
25th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
i think it was highly unethical on MD's part to terminate.. the guy should have been given a chance to explain. n if the company has a format he should hav been informed priorly regarding the format of introductory mail by his seniors. thats what i feel. I would request all the members to post any kind of openings on the site so that he can access and get the right kind of job.
suhrita
25th June 2008 From India, Pune
This is very unfortunate & unethical. The more worst is HR Head danced the tune of MD, if a professional HR Head they cud've solved the issue at least applying some minor disciplinary codes according to their policy or shud've tried to convince MD in a proper manner, more over it might cause to effect their reputation. I think HR Director doesn't have bone to save her team mate. Anyway may god bless him to get challenging & more rewarding job than TCL.
Thanks
Nawas
25th June 2008 From Kuwait, Kuwait
maybe that MD has high "ego" his thinking is like..."nobody can breathe without my order.
i feel , the fired hr was not fooling himself.he sent the intro mail in a innovative way only.
and i feel hr may reject a candidate, if the candidate is not upto the mark. what the big deal if the candidate is a technically acceptable, hr can't take the responsibility of hiring a person who is not competent enough. afterwards , only hr has to face the problem.
people should not irriate at hr just because somebody lost an opportunity with the denial of hr.
i am just offfering my thoughts. no desire to hurt anyone.
25th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
I agree with Ravi. he definitely had written a very childish and unprofessional mail. The words used are also inappropriate. Certain code of conduct should have been maintained. The attitude was also too casual!
On the part of MD also it was unprofessional. He should have rather explained (or got it explained from his boss) the code of conduct, decorum, work culture, etc.
He should rather learn from his mistake and if he is really talented, he shall definitely get a new job.
25th June 2008 From India, Gurgaon
This is not fair for the company to terminate an employee in such a way. He did nothing wrong. Any ways he will get a job very soon and definately will have a great future. All the best.
25th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
I have opening in my company for senior level HR please ask to contact him at
Planet M Retail Ltd.
171, 17th floor,
Mittal court- C wing,
Nariman Point Mumbai.
Board no: 022 22885106/07.
HR Asst Manager- Dibakar Patro.
( I can not display my name as I have newly joined so I do not have that authority to refer some senoir level--- Please contact the way you feel convenient, I can help you only in the limit what I am authorised)
Hope it will help you.
25th June 2008 From India, Mumbai
I agree . I also offer any assistance needed to find him an appropriate alternate job. My best wishes and Luck for him Regards Neeraj
25th June 2008 From India, Mumbai
Hi Ravi,
I think to some extent u are right but not totally, as u are only thinking from technical point of view, yeah i agree that he has done a childish act to write a mail like this, as though he is writing to his freinds, but he must be left out with a warning note and not terminated. i hope he has done only this mail part, else if he has done anything else then we dont' know. and how was his attitude when he was being questioned in the MD's cabin. lot of things are involved, and sometimes we won't disclose all the things. i hope that his seniors were conversing in a professional manner when he was being taken into a room to speak about the mail.
and i hope all the best to this boy in future, and let him take this as a lesson in life, and he will not commit again such mistakes. he will surely going to get good work.
thanks and regards
sadhana
25th June 2008 From India, Delhi
Hi Friends
why this thing happen i couldnt understand it is really bad but i still say that forget wat had happened. you can do one thing in gujarat specially in kutch there much oppertunity and if i find anything i will inform u. all the best
25th June 2008 From India, Mumbai
Hi Everyone,
I think there was a mistake on the part of the New HR Guy as well. The introductory email by the new joinees is a good practice in itself. It is a breifing to the exitisng staff about your Qual & Exp. The seletcion of words were not reight on his part.
But i think the MD should have called the HR Head and breif on the same abou the email & his views on the same. So that the same could have been communicated to New HR Guy in all together a different maamer. Being a New person in the comapny he's not aware about the work culture.
I wish him all the best. He should find something soo.
Regards,
Ruchika
25th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Hi Friends,
In my openion the HR guy acted very childish. Still I believe the judgement is too harsh on him. Termination is always followed by a warnning letter. I have full sympathy with him but I would like to suggest to be more wise while communicating with others in future.
Regards,
Akhouri Nishant
25th June 2008 From India, New Delhi
I agree with the comments of Ravi...
Though it is unfair to get him terminated for this reason, as an HR professional it is important for all of us to keep in mind the dos and donts of e-mail communication. As a new joinee, it is important to understand the culture of the organization first of all and then mould ourselves accordingly. Not all organizations are alike. It is always better to play it safe in the first few days....The first few days are the days of building rapport and trust in the right way. The right way may vary from organization to organization.
In case the person needs any help, he can drop his CV to , I will try my level best.
25th June 2008 From India, Gurgaon
Hi All,
Introductory mail is a good practice. But in my opinion the guy should have been more careful with the language of the mail as he was sending it to all the seniors. It is really very foolish of a HR personnel to send such kind of introductory mail and marking a copy to all seniors without knowing the culture of the company because each and every organization has different work culture.
If the conversation quoted by CYRUS is the actual conversation between the MD and the guy then I must say the MD had over reacted. He could have at the most warned him or made the guy aware of the culture practiced there. But who knows during the closed door conversation between the duo the guy attitude was good enough?
I am sure this guy will get a good job soon and will definitely learn from this incident. It is a very common saying "Look before you leap".
Sunetra
25th June 2008 From India, Calcutta
Hi Cirus,
I am working in IT company. We have a process if some one join the company an introductry mail has to sent all employee. In that MD, CEO, Director, President US & UK are also involve. This process we have to follow strictly. An introductry mail from HR is the general process so that each & every employee may aware that new person has joined in the company.
In this case sehaviour of MD was not at all acceptable. He was just showing his frustation on you. I do have experience that senior person are not so rude once some one hase joined recently the company. MD is the Brand Ambessadar of the company. He has to be very soft & polite.
There is no scope of termination in such case. If he did not like the mail he should ignore that mail or should have call you in the cabin & should have ask to not to put such kind of mail to senior person. At that time a prior intimation to be their to understand the company culture.
Here agin as HR head should have told you about the company culture about senior behavior. Induction is very important of each employee so that avoid all such thing which is not good for him,

In any case termination is not the way. Their should be warning their to stop which is against to the policy or culture. Company has first check all the skill, Talent, Confidence then they have hired you & all of sudden their should not such unethical way.
25th June 2008
Hi Cirus,
I am really surprised to know that such thing can happen with someone. whatever the case is this is definitely not the right way of Terminating an Employee. Don't they have some policies relating to that or what? Anyways i believe that whoever the person is he is really good with respect to his work & won't have 2 wait for 2 long 2 get a good job. Only thing he shud do is fight for his rights & we all are with you. Keep us updated.
25th June 2008
Hi yaar, I never felt anything bad for u! Rather i feel you are escaped from a place where there is no freedom of thought is allowed. Im damn sure that u ll come out with flying colors soon. Be thankful for god, and yes, Get ready for the superb cool job in ur future.
Lets hope for the Best!!!
Be Well,
Suhashini
25th June 2008 From India, Tiruppur
Well friend,
Every one has his viewpoint, but let me tell you even though I am very very close personally with some of the Senior Officers in my office , still in office , I know where to draw a line between personal and professional life.
Actually you too should have thought before mailing this intro email..
But whatever happens happens for good. Sometimes HR do terminate with insufficient reason and sometimes the MD does as in your case.
Well be professional, there are other ways too to show your creativity and enthusiasm
dont take it to heart..
Ravi
25th June 2008 From India, Pune
Hi Friend,
Just read the entire mail ..I think what happened is absolutly unprofessional and out of order or mind..Probably MD is undergoing with pshychic problem...I mean same thing could also be handled and communicated some other way But not with this outcome,It's demotivating too....Anyways friend don't loose hope ,failure can never be final ,So keep looking for some other best option which is waiting for you and worth deserving you as well.
Regards
Amit Bahuguna
25th June 2008
I feel he should have challanged the entire thing and asked for a written termination also as an HR officer he can give a show cause notice to the MD also should mark the mail to all the Board of directors and fight for his own right. also should have filed a complain with the Labour commisioner in the end. and infact should have continued to come to office till they give him a termination letter which he can challange in the labour court.....He has lost the Job any way and if the policy of the company says clearly that he need not mark personal mails then he can be terminated that to after giving compensation.....he should have approched the Tata house and spoken to Ratan Tata directly.....
26th June 2008 From India, Pune
Hi Cirus....thanks for posting a thread on behalf of your friend...here are my comments....plz dnt mistake me for if i sound a bit odd but...

Guys…we are all HR Professionals…..please understand our basics….First impressions are best impressions:
I don’t understand why we think “because we are HR professionals we are right ?”

Let’s get back to basics; do we forget how to write a formal letter?
I understand that a person is all excited bout joining a new company and he has great talent, all excited a super man but there is a way to express yourself in formal communication.
An introductory email is the formal first email an employee or HR sends to all employees to let others know who you are and what’s your background.

Tell me one thing, what has certain unimportant things about a person got to do with MD or any senior to know about you?

Lets accept the fact that you have done a mistake that one drafted a email and may be you were not conscious enough to check before sending email to all as to whom you are sending and or you have not properly drafted email…..Lets go back to that introductory email…who ever wrote it I request the person to read it twice and genuinely make an attempt to redraft the same…I am sure a better professional expression would emerge out of it.

Regarding MD firing a person I don’t feel that’s wrong as just think about a situation, now you are with 2 years experience tomorrow you become MD and at the very first beginning day of employment of X person, meets you in office and Dances in front of you and introduces himself as …Heyyyy…Yoooo Mannn….howdy….whts up dude…?
Do you like that case?? And you being boss, will you go to him and take him to your cabin and politely say….hey dear x…this is not the way, that you should talk and introduce yourself…bla la bala…I don’t think so….

Remember one thing when we are in office, not all people of are of our frequency….lets take a look at this other way around…We have nothing to do with MD and one of your Sr Manager has felt bad about your email and has a wrong impression about you and then on the job he tries to torture you on the name of correcting your attitude which is not expected behavior according to him on the job…how will that situation be??

Your kind of excitement of introducing youself might have looked fine with an Ad Agency or Media or Sports companies or may not be……but to be frank, I am concerned about you but you will have to accept your mistake…to day its this company tomorrow what if its your own company?

How much time will it take to check your email before you send it to some one and make corrections in time? Do you expect an MD of the company gets that email and he should Coach you on drafting emails and sending emails?

I fully agree your excitement and your talent and performance far beyond expectations of all …..but the Things Which Matters Least must not be at the Mercy of Things that Matters Most…..i know you all might say …this equally applies to MD too but look at each others positions and responsibilities and judge yourself…..

Sorry I might sound little bit harsh but facts are facts….
Remembers guys…don’t expect for all things that what we do, we should get a chance and then actions. We are grown up and you say that the person is professionals and talented person, if so why does he do silly mistake of sending casual email as a introductory email to MD/CEO and TO All List of the company??? That’s strange….

Introductory note , if you put it in right ways….that should be in such a way that people should come to you to know about you, our Journey in any organization will be great n exciting if we unfold ourselves one by one….its left to people to come to you to know more…..

Patience-Perseverance-Focus on the job-our First Impressions-Objectives- Goals in life makes us the best.

I don’t expect anybody to highlight unwanted things in email rather then what really matters…. I don’t see anything…then what’s the use of introductory letter?

Sorry Sir…I can understand it’s hard on you but sometimes a small silly mistake costs us a lots…..please don’t complain and make issues of MD being wrong….you genuinely soul search yourself….you will find answer……Lets get back to basics if we are not there…..

All i see at that Voting % is that we are all looking from our end....but not ready to correct ourselves.....some times life is too harsh on us that it hardly gives us a chance to correct ourselves......

Regards,
26th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Guys…we are all HR Professionals…..please understand our basics….First impressions are best impressions:
I don’t understand why we think “because we are HR professionals we are right ?”

Let’s get back to basics; do we forget how to write a formal letter?
I understand that a person is all excited bout joining a new company and he has great talent, all excited a super man but there is a way to express yourself in formal communication.
An introductory email is the formal first email an employee or HR sends to all employees to let others know who you are and what’s your background.
Tell me one thing, what has certain unimportant things about a person got to do with MD or any senior to know about you?

Lets accept the fact that you have done a mistake that one drafted a email and may be you were not conscious enough to check before sending email to all as to whom you are sending and or you have not properly drafted email…..Lets go back to that introductory email…who ever wrote it I request the person to read it twice and genuinely make an attempt to redraft the same…I am sure a better professional expression would emerge out of it.

Regarding MD firing a person I don’t feel that’s wrong as just think about a situation, now you are with 2 years experience tomorrow you become MD and at the very first beginning day of employment of X person, meets you in office and Dances in front of you and introduces himself as …Heyyyy…Yoooo Mannn….howdy….whts up dude…?
Do you like that case?? And you being boss, will you go to him and take him to your cabin and politely say….hey dear x…this is not the way, that you should talk and introduce yourself…bla la bala…I don’t think so….

Remember one thing when we are in office, not all people of are of our frequency….lets take a look at this other way around…We have nothing to do with MD and one of your Sr Manager has felt bad about your email and has a wrong impression about you and then on the job he tries to torture you on the name of correcting your attitude which is not expected behavior according to him on the job…how will that situation be??

Your kind of excitement of introducing youself might have looked fine with an Ad Agency or Media or Sports companies or may not be……but to be frank, I am concerned about you but you will have to accept your mistake…to day its this company tomorrow what if its your own company?

How much time will it take to check your email before you send it to some one and make corrections in time? Do you expect an MD of the company gets that email and he should Coach you on drafting emails and sending emails?

I fully agree your excitement and your talent and performance far beyond expectations of all …..but the Things Which Matters Least must not be at the Mercy of Things that Matters Most…..i know you all might say …this equally applies to MD too but look at each others positions and responsibilities and judge yourself…..

Sorry I might sound little bit harsh but facts are facts….
Remembers guys…don’t expect for all things that what we do, we should get a chance and then actions. We are grown up and you say that the person is professionals and talented person, if so why does he do silly mistake of sending casual email as a introductory email to MD/CEO and TO All List of the company??? That’s strange….

Introductory note , if you put it in right ways….that should be in such a way that people should come to you to know about you, our Journey in any organization will be great n exciting if we unfold ourselves one by one….its left to people to come to you to know more…..

Patience-Perseverance-Focus on the job-our First Impressions-Objectives- Goals in life makes us the best.

I don’t expect anybody to highlight unwanted things in email rather then what really matters…. I don’t see anything…then what’s the use of introductory letter?

Sorry Sir…I can understand it’s hard on you but sometimes a small silly mistake costs us a lots…..please don’t complain and make issues of MD being wrong….you genuinely soul search yourself….you will find answer……Lets get back to basics if we are not there…..


26th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Hello HRites, Its surprising to find an incident like this in one of India’s most respected organisations. All the best to you my friend!! Regards, Shomes
26th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
Hi Ravi, I appreciate your thoughts and understand the irritation felt by the MD, but termination is not a solution!! Regards, Soumya
26th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
Dear all,
All that is required is to realize that it is not a place for professionals, and understand that there is no scope for creativity. One has to understand that the company cannot run as per the psychology of the MD, but the company should have their own corporate practices. Please send me across your profile so that i can foward your resume to my HR network.
Raghu
Manager - Human Resources for a Software MNC Company.
26th June 2008 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Cirus and V*****,

I read the details about the incident. Introducing yourself in such a way is not bad. Its a good way to make people know about you well. But we need to keep something in mind always, there is something called "Organization Culture". Every organization will have its own culture and we need to respect it and get accustomed to it. culture can be changed, but a sudden change may bring some chaos in organization.

The MD who fired you, should have first discussed with HR Head and you in person about this. Dont know whether he got blastings from his head(s). There might be several reasons. They should have inducted you completely about the Culture of TCL in order to aviod such things.

I am also a HR Generalist. I do induct my new entrants on the day of their joining completely about the DOs and DONTs in my company and also about the culture we have. This I personally do in order to make them aware of things which might out them into trouble.

Coming back to your situation now, I would like you to take this as a very good learning in career. Sometimes the good things you do also bring some problems : )

As a HR with 2 yrs exp, you will get very good openings anywhere, but make sure you never ever revel this incident to the new joining organization and also never mention in your profile the experience of TCL. Just search new opporutnities with the certificates of your previous employer.

And as far as justifying your position to the MD is concerned, just send him a detailed mail explaining why you sent a introductory mail mentioning that you didnt have any intention of hurting the organization's culture.

All the very best to you for your future.

Regards,

P Umesh
26th June 2008 From India, Bangalore
Mr Ravi,,
I am sorry to say that u havent empathised the HR guy. U say the mail written is childish and the big shot can terminate him simply because he slogged for days and got irritated
And pl stop calling HR guy as fool.
I dont see any wrong committed by the HR person.
It simply shows that the MD is not open for new ideas,,, or he does not want people to follow such culture.
Simple solution could have been a advice and not termination
Adieu.
26th June 2008 From India, Madras
Hi Ravi
I agree with what you have said , there are HR peoples who favours their known person and do their best to get him selected even though if he is not qualified and a knowledgeable and qualified candidate had to suffer coz of this. With no doubts i wud say that this is wrong on their part if any HR guy does this and moreover if someone raises an issue against such HR peoples i am pretty much sure that everybody woould put a word against him.
Its not about HR guy or anybody else infact its about wrong practices which are being followed either by any HR professional or by any employer we will always support the truth.
Guys pour in more ideas into this!!!!
Cheers
Tushar
26th June 2008 From India, Kolkata

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