Hi Everone, :D
Well this is a very practical and contemprary topic today.On one hand ,organisations look forward to recruits who have exposure in the whole gamut of HR activities like Recruitment,Training,Performance Appraisal,Statuatory Compliances,Organisational Behaviour and OD but only very selective companies have all the processes in place.So not every HR person has an exposure to all this .Hence from a futuristic point of view the person might decide to quit his/her currnt company to get a better exposure somewhere else.But the company wher one is applying might consider the person as a job hopper but in reality dont u all feel that it is bettre to work for a short span in a company rather than getting less exposure and experience? People leave for better career prospects and for growth then why do the employers treat it as frequent job hopping? Isnt it obvious that every HR professional needs exposure in all Hr processes initially so as to be able to reach a better career level(with or without specialisation in a particular Hr area) in thre long run?
Lets debate on this...Share ur views with me
Job Hopping for Better Exposure-Beneficial or detrimental :mellow: [b][
From India, Calcutta
Well this is a very practical and contemprary topic today.On one hand ,organisations look forward to recruits who have exposure in the whole gamut of HR activities like Recruitment,Training,Performance Appraisal,Statuatory Compliances,Organisational Behaviour and OD but only very selective companies have all the processes in place.So not every HR person has an exposure to all this .Hence from a futuristic point of view the person might decide to quit his/her currnt company to get a better exposure somewhere else.But the company wher one is applying might consider the person as a job hopper but in reality dont u all feel that it is bettre to work for a short span in a company rather than getting less exposure and experience? People leave for better career prospects and for growth then why do the employers treat it as frequent job hopping? Isnt it obvious that every HR professional needs exposure in all Hr processes initially so as to be able to reach a better career level(with or without specialisation in a particular Hr area) in thre long run?
Lets debate on this...Share ur views with me
Job Hopping for Better Exposure-Beneficial or detrimental :mellow: [b][
From India, Calcutta
Hi,
Excess of anything is BAD!
A rolling stone gathers no moss!!
For professionals, job hopping cannot be good or bad per se`
When you pass out of the institute where you are trained to be a HR person, all you have is (perhaps) knowledge upto a point. You have the hteory under your belt. Real life where to use theories is yet far away.
Organizations provide that platform that facilitates your application of knowledge and theory to real life situations. A theroy is a general statement that describes an approach to deal with a situation and knowledge is static unless used. The reality is dynamic and perpetually in a state of flux.
What makes for success is that unknown factor (skills) that makes the knowledge and theory WORK in a real life situation. Organizations provide opportunities to acquire and hone these skills.
Therefore when you join one employment and change to a better paying job without having added value to that job, you have simply wasted your and that organization's time and resources. Neither have you added value to the organization nor to yourself even if you get a better paying job.
Unless you stay long enough in a particular job, deal with problems, create new realities, stay long enough to defend your achievements and enrich both yourself and the organization you should not change. In a dearth of professionals, it may be possible to get better paying jobs, but if you have not been able to GROW professionally, sooner that you think you will find yourself to be inadequate to handle even relatively simple situation. I have seen these things happening to otherwise well meaning senior professionals in the trade.
Growth along the hierarchy, along the emolument scales and professionally are different matters. Each is possible without active support of the others, but if the professional base is unsound every other growth will remain shakey and tentative. One has to decide what are his priorities in life and act accordingly. For real growth sound conceptual base and dynamic knowledge are essential.
I have nothing against job hopping as such but I find changing employment for Career (professional) growth more interesting. On a sound foundation the growth is sustained, stable satisfying.
Mindful changes, keping above matters may not be bad after all!
Regards
samvedan
January 3, 2007
From India, Pune
315Excess of anything is BAD!
A rolling stone gathers no moss!!
For professionals, job hopping cannot be good or bad per se`
When you pass out of the institute where you are trained to be a HR person, all you have is (perhaps) knowledge upto a point. You have the hteory under your belt. Real life where to use theories is yet far away.
Organizations provide that platform that facilitates your application of knowledge and theory to real life situations. A theroy is a general statement that describes an approach to deal with a situation and knowledge is static unless used. The reality is dynamic and perpetually in a state of flux.
What makes for success is that unknown factor (skills) that makes the knowledge and theory WORK in a real life situation. Organizations provide opportunities to acquire and hone these skills.
Therefore when you join one employment and change to a better paying job without having added value to that job, you have simply wasted your and that organization's time and resources. Neither have you added value to the organization nor to yourself even if you get a better paying job.
Unless you stay long enough in a particular job, deal with problems, create new realities, stay long enough to defend your achievements and enrich both yourself and the organization you should not change. In a dearth of professionals, it may be possible to get better paying jobs, but if you have not been able to GROW professionally, sooner that you think you will find yourself to be inadequate to handle even relatively simple situation. I have seen these things happening to otherwise well meaning senior professionals in the trade.
Growth along the hierarchy, along the emolument scales and professionally are different matters. Each is possible without active support of the others, but if the professional base is unsound every other growth will remain shakey and tentative. One has to decide what are his priorities in life and act accordingly. For real growth sound conceptual base and dynamic knowledge are essential.
I have nothing against job hopping as such but I find changing employment for Career (professional) growth more interesting. On a sound foundation the growth is sustained, stable satisfying.
Mindful changes, keping above matters may not be bad after all!
Regards
samvedan
January 3, 2007
From India, Pune
I think its question of balance.
On some level I blame HR because it does not address the issue of all round development.
Barely 1 in 10 companies do job rotation of its junior employees. so if u were hired fro induction u will almost never get to do anything else for the next 3 years. HR head must consider a job rotation every 1.5 - 2 years as it keeps employees motivated, brings new perspective in the job, no work is at the mercy one person.
So the need does arise for changing. But if the reason for changing is merely esposure. SPk toyour manager before decising to leave, he may be able to help u & have patience in this give him atleast 3 - 4 months. U may be able to eliminate 1 job change atleast.
I also think its question of adding value to the job, when a company hires u it is looking at the return on investment, do u have the ability 3 yrs experiance - only then do u deserve that. So look at what value you can add & then look at ath ejob change. No company will hire becasue the candidate wants to explore the other areas of HR
On some level I blame HR because it does not address the issue of all round development.
Barely 1 in 10 companies do job rotation of its junior employees. so if u were hired fro induction u will almost never get to do anything else for the next 3 years. HR head must consider a job rotation every 1.5 - 2 years as it keeps employees motivated, brings new perspective in the job, no work is at the mercy one person.
So the need does arise for changing. But if the reason for changing is merely esposure. SPk toyour manager before decising to leave, he may be able to help u & have patience in this give him atleast 3 - 4 months. U may be able to eliminate 1 job change atleast.
I also think its question of adding value to the job, when a company hires u it is looking at the return on investment, do u have the ability 3 yrs experiance - only then do u deserve that. So look at what value you can add & then look at ath ejob change. No company will hire becasue the candidate wants to explore the other areas of HR
Hi Paulami,
I agree with you that Job Hopping is a serious problem to take care of.
Dr.GopalaKrishnan, has written this article on the same topic, hope you get some answers in this.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side !!
Move from one job to another, but only for the right reasons.
It's yet another day at office. As I logged on to the marketing and
advertising sites for the latest updates, as usual, I found the headlines dominated by 'who's moving from one company to another after
a short stint, and I wondered,why are so many people leaving one job for
another?
Is it passe now to work with just one company for a sufficiently long
period? Whenever I ask this question to people who leave a company, the
answers I get are: "Oh, I am getting a 200% hike in salary"; "Well, I am
jumping three levels in my designation"; "Well, they are going to send
me abroad in six months".
Then, I look around at all the people who are considered successful
today and who have reached the top - be it a media agency, an
advertising agency or a company. I find that most of these people are
the ones who have stuck to the company, ground their heels and worked
their way to the top. And, as I look around for people who changed
Their jobs constantly, I find they have stagnated at some level, in
obscurity!
In this absolutely ruthless, dynamic and competitive environment, there
are still no short cuts to success or to making money. The only thing
that continues to pay, as earlier, is loyalty and hard work. Yes, it
pays!
Sometimes, immediately, sometimes after a lot of time. But, it does pay.
Does this mean that one should stick to an organisation and wait for
that golden moment? Of course not. After a long stint, there always
>comes a time for moving in most organisations, but it is important to
move for the right reasons, rather than superficial ones, like
money,designation or an overseas trip.
Remember, no company recruits for charity. More often than not, when you
are offered an unseemly hike in salary or designation that is
disproportionate to what that company offers it current employees, there
is always unseen bait attached.
The result? You will, in the long-term, have reached exactly the same
levels or maybe lower levels than what you would have in your Current
company.
A lot of people leave an organisation because they are "unhappy". What
is this so-called-unhappiness? I have been working for donkey's years
and there has never been a day when I am not unhappy about something in
my work environment-boss, rude colleague, fussy clients etc.
Unhappiness in a workplace, to a large extent, is transient. If you look
>hard enough, there is always something to be unhappy about. But, more
importantly, do I come to work to be "happy" in the truest sense?
If I think hard, the answer is "No".
Happiness is something you find with family, friends,may be a close
circle of colleagues who have become friends.
What you come to work for is to earn, build a reputation, satisfy your
ambitions, be appreciated for your work ethics, face challenges and get
the job done. So, the next time you are tempted to move, ask yourself
why are you moving and what are you moving into?
Some questions are:
* Am I ready and capable of handling the new responsibility? If yes,
what could be the possible reasons my current company has not offered me the same responsibility?
* Who are the people who currently handle this responsibility in the
current and new company? Am I as good as the best among them?
* As the new job offer has a different profile, why have I not given the
current company the option to offer me this profile?
* Why is the new company offering me the job? Do they want me for my
skills, or is there an ulterior motive?
An honest answer to these will eventually decide where you go in your career- to the top of the pile in the long term (at the cost of short-term blips) or to become another average employee who gets lost with time In the wilderness?
"DESERVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE" -
Dr.Gopalkrishnan,
Chairman TATA Sons.
Hope you will find some answer in this article.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
I agree with you that Job Hopping is a serious problem to take care of.
Dr.GopalaKrishnan, has written this article on the same topic, hope you get some answers in this.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side !!
Move from one job to another, but only for the right reasons.
It's yet another day at office. As I logged on to the marketing and
advertising sites for the latest updates, as usual, I found the headlines dominated by 'who's moving from one company to another after
a short stint, and I wondered,why are so many people leaving one job for
another?
Is it passe now to work with just one company for a sufficiently long
period? Whenever I ask this question to people who leave a company, the
answers I get are: "Oh, I am getting a 200% hike in salary"; "Well, I am
jumping three levels in my designation"; "Well, they are going to send
me abroad in six months".
Then, I look around at all the people who are considered successful
today and who have reached the top - be it a media agency, an
advertising agency or a company. I find that most of these people are
the ones who have stuck to the company, ground their heels and worked
their way to the top. And, as I look around for people who changed
Their jobs constantly, I find they have stagnated at some level, in
obscurity!
In this absolutely ruthless, dynamic and competitive environment, there
are still no short cuts to success or to making money. The only thing
that continues to pay, as earlier, is loyalty and hard work. Yes, it
pays!
Sometimes, immediately, sometimes after a lot of time. But, it does pay.
Does this mean that one should stick to an organisation and wait for
that golden moment? Of course not. After a long stint, there always
>comes a time for moving in most organisations, but it is important to
move for the right reasons, rather than superficial ones, like
money,designation or an overseas trip.
Remember, no company recruits for charity. More often than not, when you
are offered an unseemly hike in salary or designation that is
disproportionate to what that company offers it current employees, there
is always unseen bait attached.
The result? You will, in the long-term, have reached exactly the same
levels or maybe lower levels than what you would have in your Current
company.
A lot of people leave an organisation because they are "unhappy". What
is this so-called-unhappiness? I have been working for donkey's years
and there has never been a day when I am not unhappy about something in
my work environment-boss, rude colleague, fussy clients etc.
Unhappiness in a workplace, to a large extent, is transient. If you look
>hard enough, there is always something to be unhappy about. But, more
importantly, do I come to work to be "happy" in the truest sense?
If I think hard, the answer is "No".
Happiness is something you find with family, friends,may be a close
circle of colleagues who have become friends.
What you come to work for is to earn, build a reputation, satisfy your
ambitions, be appreciated for your work ethics, face challenges and get
the job done. So, the next time you are tempted to move, ask yourself
why are you moving and what are you moving into?
Some questions are:
* Am I ready and capable of handling the new responsibility? If yes,
what could be the possible reasons my current company has not offered me the same responsibility?
* Who are the people who currently handle this responsibility in the
current and new company? Am I as good as the best among them?
* As the new job offer has a different profile, why have I not given the
current company the option to offer me this profile?
* Why is the new company offering me the job? Do they want me for my
skills, or is there an ulterior motive?
An honest answer to these will eventually decide where you go in your career- to the top of the pile in the long term (at the cost of short-term blips) or to become another average employee who gets lost with time In the wilderness?
"DESERVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE" -
Dr.Gopalkrishnan,
Chairman TATA Sons.
Hope you will find some answer in this article.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
Hi Archa,
That was a really gr8 article.Keep sending such stuff .I think the professionals like me who have just started their career or are in there intial career years must read this to understand the values of hard work and loyalty.Actually today's scenario is such that 80% of the corporate world want sucess through the shortest possible route and they get lost.It is a sorry state today i feel as most people become syncophants and what is most disheartening is people nowadys want to secure their own jobs at the cost of others and put other employees in problem.On top of that, its an irony that people even get promoted for all the wrong reasons.
Thanks a lot for this article.It really has enlightened me.
From India, Calcutta
That was a really gr8 article.Keep sending such stuff .I think the professionals like me who have just started their career or are in there intial career years must read this to understand the values of hard work and loyalty.Actually today's scenario is such that 80% of the corporate world want sucess through the shortest possible route and they get lost.It is a sorry state today i feel as most people become syncophants and what is most disheartening is people nowadys want to secure their own jobs at the cost of others and put other employees in problem.On top of that, its an irony that people even get promoted for all the wrong reasons.
Thanks a lot for this article.It really has enlightened me.
From India, Calcutta
Hi Paulami,
Thanks a lot for appreciation.
I have been posting articles for a long time in this forum, but then I thought why not to give time and space to new comer and slow down a bit.
And I'm really glad that people like you have started some really important discussions on this forum and made me post again.
Thanks a lot and keep sharing.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
Thanks a lot for appreciation.
I have been posting articles for a long time in this forum, but then I thought why not to give time and space to new comer and slow down a bit.
And I'm really glad that people like you have started some really important discussions on this forum and made me post again.
Thanks a lot and keep sharing.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
My two bits on this topic.......
There are quite a few reasons for job hopping, some of which are:
. Better pay
. Better benefits
. Manager
. Learning opportunity
. Developmental step
. Growth
. Work/ Life balance
. Overseas opportunity
. Better brand
. Personal reasons
The list goes on.........
But surprisingly, and contrary to our thinking, pay is not always the major factor for job hopping. Depending on where you are in your career life, your reasons will vary. But one thing is for sure, gone are the days when people would work for one company their entire life. Privatisation of the industries and shrinking of the world are the two prime reasons for this.
As mentioned by everyone one, job hopping in moderation is good. In the current scenario, esp in the IT companies individuals switch jobs in a few months. This is becoming an acceptable norm these days, but if you remember the slump in 2001-03, when the dot coms bombed. The monthly job hoppers are the first ones to get canned.
My personal opinion is that when joining a company, join with your eyes open and stay there for a minimum two year (esp if you are in HR, Fin or any other support field). Two years is the minimum time you need to show your potential to the company and do some good work, as well as learn from your company.
Regards
Prachi
From Australia, Melbourne
There are quite a few reasons for job hopping, some of which are:
. Better pay
. Better benefits
. Manager
. Learning opportunity
. Developmental step
. Growth
. Work/ Life balance
. Overseas opportunity
. Better brand
. Personal reasons
The list goes on.........
But surprisingly, and contrary to our thinking, pay is not always the major factor for job hopping. Depending on where you are in your career life, your reasons will vary. But one thing is for sure, gone are the days when people would work for one company their entire life. Privatisation of the industries and shrinking of the world are the two prime reasons for this.
As mentioned by everyone one, job hopping in moderation is good. In the current scenario, esp in the IT companies individuals switch jobs in a few months. This is becoming an acceptable norm these days, but if you remember the slump in 2001-03, when the dot coms bombed. The monthly job hoppers are the first ones to get canned.
My personal opinion is that when joining a company, join with your eyes open and stay there for a minimum two year (esp if you are in HR, Fin or any other support field). Two years is the minimum time you need to show your potential to the company and do some good work, as well as learn from your company.
Regards
Prachi
From Australia, Melbourne
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