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From India, Lucknow
4From India, Lucknow
Dear Captain,
This is an interesting article & the first comment comes as a shock. Yes, it is known issue of Candidate's attitude & a few recruiter's too.
The initiative of a forum is interesting.
And to rsk, I'd say, Go ahead and open another forum to blacklist corrupt HR and Recruitment people for others to know.
Regards,
Shankar
RecruitPro
From India, Coimbatore
This is an interesting article & the first comment comes as a shock. Yes, it is known issue of Candidate's attitude & a few recruiter's too.
The initiative of a forum is interesting.
And to rsk, I'd say, Go ahead and open another forum to blacklist corrupt HR and Recruitment people for others to know.
Regards,
Shankar
RecruitPro
From India, Coimbatore
ChandPathak,
Accepting offers with multiple companies and then negotiating with them is not a crime or any wrong doing. Employee has every right to negotiate his salary with the company. If the company feels that they can't afford a higher salary then they can just convey it to the employee leaving it to his/her's call of accepting or denying it. Trying to cap over such thing is like stiffling one's fundamental right and freedom.
From India, Bangalore
Accepting offers with multiple companies and then negotiating with them is not a crime or any wrong doing. Employee has every right to negotiate his salary with the company. If the company feels that they can't afford a higher salary then they can just convey it to the employee leaving it to his/her's call of accepting or denying it. Trying to cap over such thing is like stiffling one's fundamental right and freedom.
From India, Bangalore
Dear chandpathak
Maligning individuals publicly for the reasons given by you, is neither ethical nor legal. It amounts to trying people in a kangaroo court, "witch hunting" and possibility of an innocent person being victimized.
It is not only a violation of Human Rights but also violation of Privacy.
Taking names, especially in a public forum, i.e. on the web; and PASSING JUDGEMENTS UNILATERALLY, without giving the other party a chance to defend himself; I do not think, are the signs of a good, civilized society.
1. No show can be due to number of genuine reasons.
2. Joining & Leaving - in case a candidates feels that the assignment or the company is not what was promised; what option does he have ??
3. & 4. Offers are just "offers"; they are not "binding contracts" - that is what employers say when they retract their offers. !!
5. Giving false information - There are appropriate Laws for it.
In my humble opinion, no recruiting agency should act in a manner which implies that they have been conferred a right to PUNISH a candidate, just because he did not act in a manner which could have yielded them their consultancy fees from the prospective employer. Such vindicative attitude should not be there, as it is only through these candidates, that Recruitment Consultants earn their living. A Customer should always be treated in a way as advised by the Father of our nation, Mahatma Gandhi.
Warm regards.
Raj Kumar
From India, Delhi
Maligning individuals publicly for the reasons given by you, is neither ethical nor legal. It amounts to trying people in a kangaroo court, "witch hunting" and possibility of an innocent person being victimized.
It is not only a violation of Human Rights but also violation of Privacy.
Taking names, especially in a public forum, i.e. on the web; and PASSING JUDGEMENTS UNILATERALLY, without giving the other party a chance to defend himself; I do not think, are the signs of a good, civilized society.
1. No show can be due to number of genuine reasons.
2. Joining & Leaving - in case a candidates feels that the assignment or the company is not what was promised; what option does he have ??
3. & 4. Offers are just "offers"; they are not "binding contracts" - that is what employers say when they retract their offers. !!
5. Giving false information - There are appropriate Laws for it.
In my humble opinion, no recruiting agency should act in a manner which implies that they have been conferred a right to PUNISH a candidate, just because he did not act in a manner which could have yielded them their consultancy fees from the prospective employer. Such vindicative attitude should not be there, as it is only through these candidates, that Recruitment Consultants earn their living. A Customer should always be treated in a way as advised by the Father of our nation, Mahatma Gandhi.
Warm regards.
Raj Kumar
From India, Delhi
Commendable effort. Keep up the good work. All concerned please contribute generously with proper consideration.
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Excellent approach but offer from diff companies is a fashion of today & if you can't offer him better package . Then just show him your additional fascilities & working culture. Some companies salary structure is not so strong but the amazing benifits & fascilities they are providing with the high job security.
From India, Bhubaneswar
From India, Bhubaneswar
Hi ChandPathak,
A very nice and useful effort.
A candidate who thinks to play with the companies, can be put check by this procedure. They fear and the most change their attitude.
But......... there are also some problems with the employers...
1) Job vacancies will be posted. Even the application has been sent in-time immediately, with 100% required and desired qualifications and experience, the candidate doesn't get even the interview call. The candidate's effort and expense in sending application goes for waste...
2) If called for the interview, the candidate will have to bear his/her own expenses to attend the interview (for some companies). Even the candidate has appeared on scheduled time for the interview, he/she should have to wait for a long time for the interviewer to perform his duty for the purpose. This may happen if there are more number of candidates for interview. But this happens even when there is a single candidate. This happens due to negligence.
3) Sometimes candidates gets rejected due to unable to answer to irrelevant questions. Those questions are no way concerned to the position vacant. They dont come under behavioural, attitude, subject matter, experience etc... etc... They get rejected only because, the interviewers doesn't get the answer which they expected...
4) After completion of interview, there would be no specific fixed time declared for results, either positive or negative. The candidate will be orally said that, he/she may get the call within 1 week. But it doesn't happen. Even the interviewer doesn't know when he can finalize. If not qualified in the interview, the candidate doesn't get even the intimation of the same through email / telephone / sms... which is a minimum responsibility
I ONES AGAIN QUOTE THAT THIS HAPPENS WITH SOME COMPANIES AND SOME CANDIDATES only... NOT ALL....
AS LIKE ONLY SOME CANDIDATES TRY TO CHEAT... NOT ALL
Can these also be resolved by any source...
Thanks & Regards
CRK
From India, Vijayawada
A very nice and useful effort.
A candidate who thinks to play with the companies, can be put check by this procedure. They fear and the most change their attitude.
But......... there are also some problems with the employers...
1) Job vacancies will be posted. Even the application has been sent in-time immediately, with 100% required and desired qualifications and experience, the candidate doesn't get even the interview call. The candidate's effort and expense in sending application goes for waste...
2) If called for the interview, the candidate will have to bear his/her own expenses to attend the interview (for some companies). Even the candidate has appeared on scheduled time for the interview, he/she should have to wait for a long time for the interviewer to perform his duty for the purpose. This may happen if there are more number of candidates for interview. But this happens even when there is a single candidate. This happens due to negligence.
3) Sometimes candidates gets rejected due to unable to answer to irrelevant questions. Those questions are no way concerned to the position vacant. They dont come under behavioural, attitude, subject matter, experience etc... etc... They get rejected only because, the interviewers doesn't get the answer which they expected...
4) After completion of interview, there would be no specific fixed time declared for results, either positive or negative. The candidate will be orally said that, he/she may get the call within 1 week. But it doesn't happen. Even the interviewer doesn't know when he can finalize. If not qualified in the interview, the candidate doesn't get even the intimation of the same through email / telephone / sms... which is a minimum responsibility
I ONES AGAIN QUOTE THAT THIS HAPPENS WITH SOME COMPANIES AND SOME CANDIDATES only... NOT ALL....
AS LIKE ONLY SOME CANDIDATES TRY TO CHEAT... NOT ALL
Can these also be resolved by any source...
Thanks & Regards
CRK
From India, Vijayawada
Dear Mr. Chandpathak,
I completely disagree with your viewpoint. Your statements & judgement are baised. Since you are a consultant you have given the view points of majority of consultants. If a candidate ditch the consultant or company, the consultant & company also at time either do not respond to the candidate or give silly excuses. Which is not right on their part as well. Secondly, we are no one to judge whether the other person is wright or wrong just on the bases of our perception. If you feel that such candidates should be blacklisted then what about those unethical consultants & company, aren't they supposed to be blacklisted as well.
Forget about other companies or consultant just tell me did your firm been every time correct in their approach while dealing with the candidates Did every time you gave them feedback on time? or Did you answered their calls diligently?
Waiting for your reply
From India, New Delhi
I completely disagree with your viewpoint. Your statements & judgement are baised. Since you are a consultant you have given the view points of majority of consultants. If a candidate ditch the consultant or company, the consultant & company also at time either do not respond to the candidate or give silly excuses. Which is not right on their part as well. Secondly, we are no one to judge whether the other person is wright or wrong just on the bases of our perception. If you feel that such candidates should be blacklisted then what about those unethical consultants & company, aren't they supposed to be blacklisted as well.
Forget about other companies or consultant just tell me did your firm been every time correct in their approach while dealing with the candidates Did every time you gave them feedback on time? or Did you answered their calls diligently?
Waiting for your reply
From India, New Delhi
What about if companies fire you on the basis of companies non performance or any management dispute or slowdown, will you make a forum to black list the same organisation?
I really don't see if somebody leaves you for money, whether we accept it or not or we believe on researches which says money is the 4th or 5th point for motivation, but it comes first and foremost when a person is unhappy with the hike in % or see his/her collegues are getting double digit salary growth in the same economy.
Yes you can blacklist somebody on the basis of Stealing the company information, fidelity,sharing the info with competition and so on. Stand alone rejecting your company offer before joining in not a henoius crime to get a blacklist, in this case you have to blacklist atleast 50% of IT professionals for 2006-07 ( Boom time).
From India, Mumbai
I really don't see if somebody leaves you for money, whether we accept it or not or we believe on researches which says money is the 4th or 5th point for motivation, but it comes first and foremost when a person is unhappy with the hike in % or see his/her collegues are getting double digit salary growth in the same economy.
Yes you can blacklist somebody on the basis of Stealing the company information, fidelity,sharing the info with competition and so on. Stand alone rejecting your company offer before joining in not a henoius crime to get a blacklist, in this case you have to blacklist atleast 50% of IT professionals for 2006-07 ( Boom time).
From India, Mumbai
ya I agree with CRK and Shriya and joshi, and also thank to you guys. see am also a hr professional and came across these kind of situation but Mr. Chatak statement is not at all acceptable your statment shows immattured. we provided interview feedback on time, we issued offer on time but some candidates not turned up after receiving the offer letter.
some times they provide fake details in their profiles but we can find easily as a hr you need to analyse the candidature while taking the interview. Not all the candidates doing this some of them doing. Employers and candidates both side hava a problem. we cant blame anyone in this regard. Its all depends upon the situation and company backround. we cant force them to join for a particular company/positon/salary. candidates have all right to take a decision. if your company is not good, there is no proper management obviously employees leave without giving notice or information.
First find out the solution for this issue instead of blacklisting candidate. Think practically with mature.
Your idea of bringing blacklisted candidates not at all acceptable and not at all appreciable one sad thing is many hr's gave positive reply for this thread.
Let's see some of our seniors opinion for this.................
From India
some times they provide fake details in their profiles but we can find easily as a hr you need to analyse the candidature while taking the interview. Not all the candidates doing this some of them doing. Employers and candidates both side hava a problem. we cant blame anyone in this regard. Its all depends upon the situation and company backround. we cant force them to join for a particular company/positon/salary. candidates have all right to take a decision. if your company is not good, there is no proper management obviously employees leave without giving notice or information.
First find out the solution for this issue instead of blacklisting candidate. Think practically with mature.
Your idea of bringing blacklisted candidates not at all acceptable and not at all appreciable one sad thing is many hr's gave positive reply for this thread.
Let's see some of our seniors opinion for this.................
From India
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