akarshan Started The Discussion:
Dear All,
Please find the notification for combined ESIC and EPF Challan effective 1st April 2010.
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS ONLY A FACILITY. THERE ARE NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS ON RECORD AS BOTH DEPARTMENTS HAVE DIFFERENT DUE DATES.
COMPANIES MAY CONTINUE TO DO THEIR COMPLIANCE IN REGULAR SEPERATE CHALLANS TILL CLEAR CUT INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE. PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS FORMAT TILL THE NOTIFICATION IS NOT ISSUED.
20th March 2010 From India, Mumbai
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File Type: pdf ESICEPFCommon challan.pdf (1.39 MB, 5391 views)

Dear akarshan,
happy to see the attachment.could you give the knowledge about this if we would deposit half yearly return of esi and monthly return PF than we need sepreat challn so how can possible?pls advise if read other pls advised.
thank a lot in advance.
21st March 2010 From India, Calcutta
happy to see the attachment.could you give the knowledge about this if we would deposit half yearly return of esi and monthly return PF than we need sepreat challn so how can possible?pls advise if read other pls advised.
thank a lot in advance.
Srinivas N G
21st March 2010 From India, Bangalore
HI ALL

Respected Sir,

I expressed my views as under: -

I am at loss to understand the logic of paying ESI and PF contributions by one challan. I don't think both the departments are capable to manage the things, as they are notorious in mismanaging. There would be a complete breakdown.

I think it may create some confusion with the Bank in remitting the amount to both the organisations. Presently there is confusion among the SBI branches at present by not remitting the fund to ESIC / PF with its own challan. At present both the department call for our paid copy and bank statements for verification of payments.

What will happen when company is having different branches for ESI with sub code number (may be in different states) while for PF only one number?

Most importantly due date for the payment of contributions under both the Acts is different. Limit under the Act for compliance is also defers, so the no of employees defers. The employers are required to submit the original paid challan alongwith returns under both the Acts, hence it will not be possible.

In Mumbai area (Zone) jurisdiction under ESI & PF are different and bank statements goes to different offices. For example, employer in Chembur area will pay the contributions at SBI Chembur Branch, then for PF payments goes to Navi Mumbai, SRO PF office and for ESI it goes to RO Colaba. In Mumbai some of the SBI Branches do not accept payments under ESI Act.

It is not mandatory for all hence in our own interest, we should continue with the present practise of separate challan for ESI & PF.



Investment in plant and machinery/ equipment (excluding land and building)

Manufacturing Enterprises Service Enterprises

Micro Up to Rs. 25 lakh Up to Rs. 10 lakh

Small More than Rs 25 lakh and up to Rs 5 crore More than Rs. 10 lakh and up to Rs 2 crore

Medium More than Rs 5 crore and up to Rs 10 crore More than Rs. 2 crore and up to Rs. 5 crore

HIREN CHHEDA 09821078457
21st March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Thanks .
We are looking forward to the day this can be done on line!! I wonder why the delay. That is the easiest, fastest and sure way. It will take a load off the banks and save everyone a whole lot of manhours!!
Let's hope that too happens in this year 2010!!
Regards
22nd March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Hi
Thanks for posting such a useful information
Can u plz send me attachment in soft copy / Excel as the existing pdf file cannot amend (read only) as we are having EDLI payment for contract labour
Tks & Regards
22nd March 2010 From India, Hyderabad
Thanks a lot for the information.
However, please adress a few queries:
- What will be the due date of payment of Combined Challan, as earlier, the due date for PF Challan was 15th of every month & 21st for ESI?????
- Would the single ESI Challan be accepted throughout India as earlier it was city wise?????
Please resolve at the earliest.
Thanks & Regards
Gaurav

22nd March 2010 From India, Delhi
Hi,
ESI returns are filed half yearly to the concerned Local ESI offices where the branches of the company is located along with the challans for that concerned branch mentioning the subcode of that branch in the return.
If the challan is combined how this can be possible.
Kindly advise.
Regards
erv
22nd March 2010 From India, Madras
I fully agree with the views expressed by Mr. Hiren Chheda.

A Sub Group on Labor constituted Under High Level Task Force was formed to look into the problems of Micro & SMEs. I am sure Micro & SMEs are facing many different problems and paying PF and ESI contributions by separate challans is not at all a problem for them. It seems that, instead of looking into real problems of Micro & SMEs Sub Group has found a Mole from the Mountain and have come up with some bureaucratic window-dressing. PF and ESI authorities also seem to have accepted the impractical suggestion readily as a word from gospel.

If implemented Common Challan will pose following problems.
  • Firstly banks will not accept common challan for two payments going to two totally different entities and their accounts.
  • Not all banks and their branches accept payment for both ESI and PF.
  • As it is we all are facing problems of banks Not Crediting or Late Crediting the accounts. Now there will be added problems of wrong crediting as well.
  • Due date for payment of ESI and PF Contributions are different. Common Challan means either delayed payment or early payment by default.
  • How to attach one original challan to two different returns.
  • Many organizations have more than one Employer Code for ESI or Many Sub Codes and generally only one Employer Code for PF. How to manage this in Common Challan.
Thanks & Regards


22nd March 2010 From India, Pune
Dear All, could you tell me what i need to do because where i am working in this area or belt ESI is not applicable should i file PF return in previous format
22nd March 2010 From India, Bangalore

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