akarshan Started The Discussion:
Dear All,

Please find the notification for combined ESIC and EPF Challan effective 1st April 2010.

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS ONLY A FACILITY. THERE ARE NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS ON RECORD AS BOTH DEPARTMENTS HAVE DIFFERENT DUE DATES.

COMPANIES MAY CONTINUE TO DO THEIR COMPLIANCE IN REGULAR SEPERATE CHALLANS TILL CLEAR CUT INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE. PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS FORMAT TILL THE NOTIFICATION IS NOT ISSUED.
Posted 20th March 2010 From India, Mumbai
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Hi! Thanks. Very Very Importment Attachment. S. H. Phadtare Suyog Mnagement Consultant 9423001542
Posted 20th March 2010 From India, Pune
Dear akarshan,
happy to see the attachment.could you give the knowledge about this if we would deposit half yearly return of esi and monthly return PF than we need sepreat challn so how can possible?pls advise if read other pls advised.
thank a lot in advance.
Posted 21st March 2010 From India, Calcutta
happy to see the attachment.could you give the knowledge about this if we would deposit half yearly return of esi and monthly return PF than we need sepreat challn so how can possible?pls advise if read other pls advised.
thank a lot in advance.

Srinivas N G
Posted 21st March 2010 From India, Bangalore
HI ALL
Respected Sir,
I expressed my views as under: -
I am at loss to understand the logic of paying ESI and PF contributions by one challan. I don't think both the departments are capable to manage the things, as they are notorious in mismanaging. There would be a complete breakdown.
I think it may create some confusion with the Bank in remitting the amount to both the organisations. Presently there is confusion among the SBI branches at present by not remitting the fund to ESIC / PF with its own challan. At present both the department call for our paid copy and bank statements for verification of payments.
What will happen when company is having different branches for ESI with sub code number (may be in different states) while for PF only one number?
Most importantly due date for the payment of contributions under both the Acts is different. Limit under the Act for compliance is also defers, so the no of employees defers. The employers are required to submit the original paid challan alongwith returns under both the Acts, hence it will not be possible.
In Mumbai area (Zone) jurisdiction under ESI & PF are different and bank statements goes to different offices. For example, employer in Chembur area will pay the contributions at SBI Chembur Branch, then for PF payments goes to Navi Mumbai, SRO PF office and for ESI it goes to RO Colaba. In Mumbai some of the SBI Branches do not accept payments under ESI Act.
It is not mandatory for all hence in our own interest, we should continue with the present practise of separate challan for ESI & PF.

Investment in plant and machinery/ equipment (excluding land and building)
Manufacturing Enterprises Service Enterprises
Micro Up to Rs. 25 lakh Up to Rs. 10 lakh
Small More than Rs 25 lakh and up to Rs 5 crore More than Rs. 10 lakh and up to Rs 2 crore
Medium More than Rs 5 crore and up to Rs 10 crore More than Rs. 2 crore and up to Rs. 5 crore

HIREN CHHEDA 09821078457
Posted 21st March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Thanks for the information. One question whether is it applicable only to smes or other industries regards ravi
Posted 21st March 2010 From United States
Thanks .

We are looking forward to the day this can be done on line!! I wonder why the delay. That is the easiest, fastest and sure way. It will take a load off the banks and save everyone a whole lot of manhours!!

Let's hope that too happens in this year 2010!!

Regards
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Very importent attachement. Thanks a lot for sharing a very importent and usefull information.
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India
Hi
Thanks for posting such a useful information

Can u plz send me attachment in soft copy / Excel as the existing pdf file cannot amend (read only) as we are having EDLI payment for contract labour
Tks & Regards
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Hyderabad
Many many thanks for this very useful and informative posting. Good Luck to you. Y. K. Kalia, Advocate
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Delhi
Thanks a lot for the information.

However, please adress a few queries:

- What will be the due date of payment of Combined Challan, as earlier, the due date for PF Challan was 15th of every month & 21st for ESI?????

- Would the single ESI Challan be accepted throughout India as earlier it was city wise?????

Please resolve at the earliest.

Thanks & Regards
Gaurav



Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Delhi
erv 
Hi,

ESI returns are filed half yearly to the concerned Local ESI offices where the branches of the company is located along with the challans for that concerned branch mentioning the subcode of that branch in the return.

If the challan is combined how this can be possible.

Kindly advise.

Regards

erv
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Madras
Thank u very much for sharing useful information. But that is applicable for Micro,Small scale industries.
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Hyderabad
I fully agree with the views expressed by Mr. Hiren Chheda.

A Sub Group on Labor constituted Under High Level Task Force was formed to look into the problems of Micro & SMEs. I am sure Micro & SMEs are facing many different problems and paying PF and ESI contributions by separate challans is not at all a problem for them. It seems that, instead of looking into real problems of Micro & SMEs Sub Group has found a Mole from the Mountain and have come up with some bureaucratic window-dressing. PF and ESI authorities also seem to have accepted the impractical suggestion readily as a word from gospel.

If implemented Common Challan will pose following problems.
  • Firstly banks will not accept common challan for two payments going to two totally different entities and their accounts.
  • Not all banks and their branches accept payment for both ESI and PF.
  • As it is we all are facing problems of banks Not Crediting or Late Crediting the accounts. Now there will be added problems of wrong crediting as well.
  • Due date for payment of ESI and PF Contributions are different. Common Challan means either delayed payment or early payment by default.
  • How to attach one original challan to two different returns.
  • Many organizations have more than one Employer Code for ESI or Many Sub Codes and generally only one Employer Code for PF. How to manage this in Common Challan.
Thanks & Regards


Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Pune
Dear All, could you tell me what i need to do because where i am working in this area or belt ESI is not applicable should i file PF return in previous format
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Bangalore
Please find attached herewith the challan in Excel format
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Mumbai
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klncs 
Hi, There is no changes, we have to pay PF & ESI in separate challans only. If any changes is there, let me know. Regards Murthy
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sir, Please confirm to us this combined ESIC And EPF Challan is applicable in Haryana State Please reply to us Thanks. Bhupinder Kumar
Posted 22nd March 2010 From India, New Delhi
Please refer to my edited first post. Do not use this challan. File your objections with sd.xavier@nic.in
Posted 23rd March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Hi this is very infomative , can u tel me pls , due date is also changed or it is same. regds, Neeta neetasingh82@gmail.com
Posted 23rd March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Hi ,

Thanks a lot for your updates. But we have the branches allover India ,paying EPF in Single challan and ESIC in separete challan for branch. We think that ,It's not applicable to us. Please clarify any one.
Posted 23rd March 2010 From India, Hyderabad
Dear Akarshan Thanks a lot for sharing important Notification !!!!!!!! Thanks & regards Sandeep Harale
Posted 23rd March 2010 From India, Pune
Hi, Is it mendatory to deposit through this challan? or it’s optional. Can we deposit through old (separate) challan now? Please clarify Thanx Sanjeev
Posted 23rd March 2010 From India, Delhi
HI Is it applicable to only MIcro, small and Medium Enterprises? If yes what is the criteria of Micro, small and Medium enterprises?
Posted 26th March 2010 From India, Mumbai
Thanks a lot for update. also find attached PF & ESI Combined challan (Execell Format ) Kinds Regards, Surender Singh Negi
Posted 29th March 2010 From India, Gurgaon
Thanks a lot for update. also find attached PF & ESI Combined challan (Execell Format ) Kinds Regards, Surender Singh Negi
Posted 29th March 2010 From India, Gurgaon
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Very good idea to deposit combine challan to have a watch over employers having different strength for esic and epf, but do anybody tell that what will happen when bank will give 2 copies of challans back, one is to file with PF monthly return, other one is to be filed with ESIC half yearly return.

What will employer retain as its office copy ?
Posted 2nd April 2010 From India, Delhi
I have 46 employees
3 on payroll of company
43 remainig on contractor Payroll
Out of 43 (19 people was having epf no.)
Rest of 24 not having any no..


Q. I want to fire current Contractor and want to submit the rest 19 people epf in company acccount can i do?
Q can i hire the cont. employees on daily wages/ or can maintained a casual register or need to hire any other contrractor.

kindly give me some guide line.

Thankingyou,

surender kumar
09760024828
Posted 12th April 2010 From India, Haldwani
Hi, Very useful information & thanks for the same. I want to know whether the same be attached with Monthly return of PF ? if so, what about attachment to half yearly returns of ESI ? Manjunath KS
Posted 26th May 2010 From India, Bangalore
dear all. pls let me know how many copy required for submission of combined esic and epf challan SUNIL
Posted 29th November 2010 From India, Delhi



 
 
 
 







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