Greetings! I have a query on the below case how to calculate leave for an employee in case below is the scenario Saturday:- leave Sunday:- week off Monday: leave how many day are counted as leave?
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As per the Shops & Commercial Establishments Act, if an employee takes leave on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (week off or any festival holiday in between two leaves), then it shall be treated as 3 days of leave. If management decides, then it shall be considered as either 2 days of leave, which is welcome. There is no objection as per the rules. It entirely depends upon the management as part of employee benefits.
Hope you are clear.
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Hope you are clear.
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In case of casual leave it will be considered as three days (if leave policy states it explicitly) I worked on company that had this type of policy
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In the case of government organizations or PSUs, if casual leave is taken, then the number of leaves deducted will be 2 days. If any other category of leave is taken, it will be treated as leave for 3 days.
Further, when holidays and weekly off days are suffixes and/or prefixes to the leave period, and the person resumes duty after the holiday or weekly off day, only the number of days for which leave is availed is deducted from the leave at credit in both cases.
From India, Haora
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Further, when holidays and weekly off days are suffixes and/or prefixes to the leave period, and the person resumes duty after the holiday or weekly off day, only the number of days for which leave is availed is deducted from the leave at credit in both cases.
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i am agree with Mr. Mohanti. if the Leave is CL then it will be count 02 Leave but if any other leave then no will be 03 leave. and secondly its depend on company policy
From India, Rudarpur
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If a person has taken leave on saturday and he is not present on monday then sunday is also considered as leave only.
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As per Factory Act, Earned Leave is exclusive of Sundays but in case of CL, it is management policy. It may be counted as three or two.
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I am inclined to disagree with many views expressed on the subject. First, normally, a query put on the Board of this Forum is assumed to pertain to the private sector. As our fraternity members are well aware, most of our industries are covered under the Minimum Wages Act. So, the wages, or even the salaries of staff and executives, are computed based on a 26-day formula. Hence, the Act and Rules state that Sunday is a foregone holiday.
So, leave availed on Saturday and Monday, or for that matter even for 12 days continuously, it is the paid working days that are reckoned for debiting leave, and not 3 calendar days for debiting leave. Therefore, the company policy ought to be, and rules say that, in the instant query, only 2 days are to be reckoned and not 3 days. Some companies may practice 3 days leave, just to dissuade the employees from taking a longer weekend leave. But that is not the legal status.
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Ravi Adviser-HR Management
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So, leave availed on Saturday and Monday, or for that matter even for 12 days continuously, it is the paid working days that are reckoned for debiting leave, and not 3 calendar days for debiting leave. Therefore, the company policy ought to be, and rules say that, in the instant query, only 2 days are to be reckoned and not 3 days. Some companies may practice 3 days leave, just to dissuade the employees from taking a longer weekend leave. But that is not the legal status.
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Ravi Adviser-HR Management
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How will you calculate Loss of Pay wages in your organization? What is the formula you use? In case you use 26 days as the denominator for calculating one day's wage/salary for loss of pay, then the weekly off/Sunday cannot be included in leave adjustment.
If you use 30 days or the actual number of days in the month as the basis, then the weekly off will be adjusted as leave. The Factories Act does not consider the weekly off with wages; hence, it excludes the weekly off from being adjusted against leave.
Some of the Shops and Establishment Acts provide for a weekly off with pay. Check in your State what is prescribed. If the weekly off is paid, then adjust Sunday/weekly off against leave.
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Sivasankaran
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If you use 30 days or the actual number of days in the month as the basis, then the weekly off will be adjusted as leave. The Factories Act does not consider the weekly off with wages; hence, it excludes the weekly off from being adjusted against leave.
Some of the Shops and Establishment Acts provide for a weekly off with pay. Check in your State what is prescribed. If the weekly off is paid, then adjust Sunday/weekly off against leave.
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Sivasankaran
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In the normal course, the weekly off cannot be counted as leave. Only two days can be taken as leave. The weekly off is a routine occurrence, whether it is a weekly off with pay (30 days) or without pay (26 days), as the case may be, for wage calculation purposes.
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D. Gurumurthy
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Hyderabad.
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D. Gurumurthy
LL. HR & IR Consultant
Hyderabad.
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Hi shilpi if it is a software industry or any other industry who will have sat & sun as week off’s it is considered only Monday as leave. regards sravanthi
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You have not stated under which Act the Factory Act provides for leave with wages. All leaves under the Factory Act shall be exclusive of all holidays, whether occurring during or at either end of the period of leave (Explanation 2 to Sec 79 Factory Act).
The Factory Act has no provisions for casual leave/sick leave. Shops and commercial establishments have provisions for CL/SL.
In general practice, Sundays/paid holidays/national festivals occurring before or at either end of the earned leave/privilege leave can be prefixed/suffixed and will not be counted as leave. However, if these occur during the leave period, they have to be treated as leave.
In respect of casual leave, any Sunday/paid holiday occurring before the leave commences or after the expiry of the leave period can be added as a prefix or suffix; however, if occurring during the leave period, it will be treated as leave.
Much depends on the agreement or contract of service and the leave policy of the establishment.
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RL Dhingra
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The Factory Act has no provisions for casual leave/sick leave. Shops and commercial establishments have provisions for CL/SL.
In general practice, Sundays/paid holidays/national festivals occurring before or at either end of the earned leave/privilege leave can be prefixed/suffixed and will not be counted as leave. However, if these occur during the leave period, they have to be treated as leave.
In respect of casual leave, any Sunday/paid holiday occurring before the leave commences or after the expiry of the leave period can be added as a prefix or suffix; however, if occurring during the leave period, it will be treated as leave.
Much depends on the agreement or contract of service and the leave policy of the establishment.
Regards,
RL Dhingra
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As per Section 22 of the Delhi Shop & Establishment Act and Rule 10 thereof, there is no provision for deducting the absence of employees on the weekly off day from the leave account in the query raised by you. Regarding casual leave, normally intervening holidays are not accounted for, but in the case of privilege leave, it is not so. It is better for an organization to have a sound policy in this regard.
Hope the above clarifies.
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kk
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Hope the above clarifies.
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kk
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Alternative Leave Option
Another option is to take a Compensatory Off (C-Off) on Saturday, substituting it for a regular working day. In this case, you would only need to take one day of casual leave.
- Saturday: C-Off
- Sunday: WO (Weekly Off)
- Monday: Casual Leave
Please let me know if you need further assistance or clarifications.
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Another option is to take a Compensatory Off (C-Off) on Saturday, substituting it for a regular working day. In this case, you would only need to take one day of casual leave.
- Saturday: C-Off
- Sunday: WO (Weekly Off)
- Monday: Casual Leave
Please let me know if you need further assistance or clarifications.
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Dear Sangeetha can you please refer which law is stating this ? I want to know coz, i also raised such issue With regards v.subbarao 9841103098
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I have been seeing many posts on this subject without any reference to the legal position barring a few.
Factories Act
This act has no provision for CL or Sick Leave, and in a factory, if you have introduced CL or Sick Leave, then whatever rules the Company has framed will be applicable. Providing extra leave is beneficial, and hence whatever rules a Company frames will be legal. However, the Factories Act also does not contemplate a weekly off with wages. It provides for a weekly off. Moreover, Earned Leave provided in the Factories Act will count only the working days, and any leave falling in between will not be counted.
Keeping this background in mind, let us examine further. I already wrote in this posting that it depends on how we calculate wages for loss of pay leave. If we take 26 as the denominator, then we do not consider payment for a weekly off. Consider the following logic:
1. Factories act provide for earned leave.
2. It also provides for the exclusion of a Weekly off from counting earned leave. In other words, Sundays falling in between will not be counted.
3. With this logic, we normally use 26 as the denominator in Factories wherever we have monthly rates. In daily rates, such confusion will not occur.
4. If we use one logic for Earned leave, it does not mean that we need to use the same logic for CL or SL, which are not provided in law.
5. We can provide for the inclusion of CL or SL in a factory if a Sunday falls in between or we can exclude as well depending on the Company's policy.
Shops and Establishments Act
This act provides for Earned Leave and Casual leave and in some cases Sick Leave as well. This Act, in many States, also provides for a Weekly off with pay. This clause also puts a condition that to be eligible for a weekly off with pay, an employee must have worked for 6 days in the week. The Act does not exclude the counting of a weekly off for Earned Leave or Casual leave.
With the above as a backdrop, let us examine the logic:
1. The Act provides for Earned leave and Casual leave.
2. Weekly off is paid.
3. Hence the monthly rate of wages needs to be divided by 30 to arrive at the Daily rate.
4. If we arrive at the daily rate by using 30 as the denominator, then include a weekly off falling in between paid leave.
5. However, the Minimum wages act prescribes division by 26 to arrive at the daily rate.
6. This clause of the Minimum wages Act is applicable only where we restrict our payment to the prescribed minimum wages.
7. In such an event, then exclude Sundays falling in between two paid leave.
My submission in this forum on this subject is:
1. Examine relevant legal provisions.
2. Decide the denominator for arriving at one-day wages for calculating loss of pay or overtime or encashment of leave.
3. That will bring out a logical conclusion as to whether Sundays falling between two paid leave can be counted as leave or not.
Thanks,
T. Sivasankaran
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Factories Act
This act has no provision for CL or Sick Leave, and in a factory, if you have introduced CL or Sick Leave, then whatever rules the Company has framed will be applicable. Providing extra leave is beneficial, and hence whatever rules a Company frames will be legal. However, the Factories Act also does not contemplate a weekly off with wages. It provides for a weekly off. Moreover, Earned Leave provided in the Factories Act will count only the working days, and any leave falling in between will not be counted.
Keeping this background in mind, let us examine further. I already wrote in this posting that it depends on how we calculate wages for loss of pay leave. If we take 26 as the denominator, then we do not consider payment for a weekly off. Consider the following logic:
1. Factories act provide for earned leave.
2. It also provides for the exclusion of a Weekly off from counting earned leave. In other words, Sundays falling in between will not be counted.
3. With this logic, we normally use 26 as the denominator in Factories wherever we have monthly rates. In daily rates, such confusion will not occur.
4. If we use one logic for Earned leave, it does not mean that we need to use the same logic for CL or SL, which are not provided in law.
5. We can provide for the inclusion of CL or SL in a factory if a Sunday falls in between or we can exclude as well depending on the Company's policy.
Shops and Establishments Act
This act provides for Earned Leave and Casual leave and in some cases Sick Leave as well. This Act, in many States, also provides for a Weekly off with pay. This clause also puts a condition that to be eligible for a weekly off with pay, an employee must have worked for 6 days in the week. The Act does not exclude the counting of a weekly off for Earned Leave or Casual leave.
With the above as a backdrop, let us examine the logic:
1. The Act provides for Earned leave and Casual leave.
2. Weekly off is paid.
3. Hence the monthly rate of wages needs to be divided by 30 to arrive at the Daily rate.
4. If we arrive at the daily rate by using 30 as the denominator, then include a weekly off falling in between paid leave.
5. However, the Minimum wages act prescribes division by 26 to arrive at the daily rate.
6. This clause of the Minimum wages Act is applicable only where we restrict our payment to the prescribed minimum wages.
7. In such an event, then exclude Sundays falling in between two paid leave.
My submission in this forum on this subject is:
1. Examine relevant legal provisions.
2. Decide the denominator for arriving at one-day wages for calculating loss of pay or overtime or encashment of leave.
3. That will bring out a logical conclusion as to whether Sundays falling between two paid leave can be counted as leave or not.
Thanks,
T. Sivasankaran
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First, tell me if you are a government employee or a private employee? Because according to government rules, in government organizations, PSU organizations, and corporations, two days' leave will be considered if Sunday is a day off. Only two days of leave on Saturday and Monday will be considered in the case of casual leave, but it will be considered as three days in the case of earned leave.
If you wish to know more about law and order, visit the DOPT website for additional details and orders.
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Sushil Mainwal
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If you wish to know more about law and order, visit the DOPT website for additional details and orders.
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Sushil Mainwal
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I have the same query but in a different context. Here's the scenario:
- Saturday: 1st half-day present
- Sunday: Weekly Off
- Monday: 1st half absent but 2nd half present
The question is, should Sunday be considered as a paid day off or not? Your clarification on this matter is greatly appreciated as this rule has caused dissatisfaction among many employees in my company.
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Jass
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- Saturday: 1st half-day present
- Sunday: Weekly Off
- Monday: 1st half absent but 2nd half present
The question is, should Sunday be considered as a paid day off or not? Your clarification on this matter is greatly appreciated as this rule has caused dissatisfaction among many employees in my company.
Regards,
Jass
From India, Delhi
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Include in the Leave and adjust. Consider it as two days leave. Rules are not framed because employees are unhappy. Rules are framed for smooth functioning of a Company T Sivasankaran
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sunday will pay either suffix or prifix, if it comes in between saturday and monday than it will be counted as 3 days leave. Regards Balwant
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As per Factory Act, Earned Leave is exclusive of Sundays but in case of CL, it is management policy. It may be counted as three or two. This is the correct one I agree with Anuj
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The Delhi Shops and Establishment Act (Section 22) only discusses eligibility and not the manner of leave calculation. The company's leave policy will determine whether it is 2 days or 3 days.
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Preetam Deshpande
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Preetam Deshpande
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In case the employee is absent for 12 days, i.e., up until Saturday, and resumes back on Monday, will Sunday be paid? We do not have PLs. We only have CLs. Kindly guide.
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Priya
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Understanding the Legality of the Sandwich Rule in India
We think it's illegal and need to study the same. Here are some issues that many companies incorporated in India are facing:
• Many companies in India follow the Sandwich Rules. If an employee takes leave and a non-working day or public holiday falls between those leaves, companies count all those days as leave in their attendance sheet and deduct the employee's wages accordingly.
• In such cases of deduction, the contribution towards the employee's provident fund is also deducted by the employer.
• All companies are required to submit the leave calendar as per the Shops and Establishment Act, which declares that there shall be no work on these days. However, even in these cases, wages are deducted by companies following the Sandwich Rule.
• No company mentions the Sandwich Rule in their offer or appointment letters issued to employees.
• Wages are even deducted for public holidays, including Independence Day.
• All citizens working in private and public companies are facing issues due to this illegal Sandwich Rule followed by the companies.
• Further, in the case of leave, only basic wages are to be deducted. This point needs to be checked.
There is a need to review all the labor laws to determine whether this practice is legal or not.
From India, Gurgaon
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Understanding the Legality of the Sandwich Rule in India
We think it's illegal and need to study the same. Here are some issues that many companies incorporated in India are facing:
• Many companies in India follow the Sandwich Rules. If an employee takes leave and a non-working day or public holiday falls between those leaves, companies count all those days as leave in their attendance sheet and deduct the employee's wages accordingly.
• In such cases of deduction, the contribution towards the employee's provident fund is also deducted by the employer.
• All companies are required to submit the leave calendar as per the Shops and Establishment Act, which declares that there shall be no work on these days. However, even in these cases, wages are deducted by companies following the Sandwich Rule.
• No company mentions the Sandwich Rule in their offer or appointment letters issued to employees.
• Wages are even deducted for public holidays, including Independence Day.
• All citizens working in private and public companies are facing issues due to this illegal Sandwich Rule followed by the companies.
• Further, in the case of leave, only basic wages are to be deducted. This point needs to be checked.
There is a need to review all the labor laws to determine whether this practice is legal or not.
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Leave Policy and Calculation
In the leave policy, if we are working on a monthly rate, suppose a salary of Rs. 10,000/- per month for an XYZ employee, then the weekly off (Sunday) will be counted as leave. [Salary calculation = 10,000 / (Monthly days) * Payable days (Including Weekly off).]
However, if we are working on a daily rate basis for a worker, meaning Rs. 305/- per day for the employee, then the weekly off (Sunday) is not counted as leave. In this case, the employee has to fill up leave only for Saturday and Monday. (Wages Calculation is Rs. 305 * Payable days (Without Weekly off).)
Generally, the staff category is on a monthly rate, and the worker category is on a daily rate basis, and this method is also decided in almost every company.
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Nilesh Bhatt
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From India, Vadodara
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In the leave policy, if we are working on a monthly rate, suppose a salary of Rs. 10,000/- per month for an XYZ employee, then the weekly off (Sunday) will be counted as leave. [Salary calculation = 10,000 / (Monthly days) * Payable days (Including Weekly off).]
However, if we are working on a daily rate basis for a worker, meaning Rs. 305/- per day for the employee, then the weekly off (Sunday) is not counted as leave. In this case, the employee has to fill up leave only for Saturday and Monday. (Wages Calculation is Rs. 305 * Payable days (Without Weekly off).)
Generally, the staff category is on a monthly rate, and the worker category is on a daily rate basis, and this method is also decided in almost every company.
Regards,
Nilesh Bhatt
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From India, Vadodara
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what will happen at leaves taken at the end of month. ex if i took leave on 29(Friday), 30 (Saturday), 31 (Sunday), 1(Monday) . is it sandwitch or not?
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