Dear All;
Picnic is not a term or condition of employment. Attendance or absence is concerned with employment. Those who participate in picnic are welcome, others excused. There cannot be any thinking of attendance or absence of employees.
Extend this notion then there are several situations where we will face similar dilemma. e.g.
1. There is puja for installing a new machine and pedhas are distributed, one says no to pedha.
2. There is Dasara puja or similar occasions and an employee does not participate because of gulal.
3. There is function of felicitating employees on completing 25 years of service and an employee does not clap.
4. There is canteen and subsidised food, an employee brings food from home and does not go to canteen
5. There is transport bus available but an employee comes on his bicycle.
There may be many more situations like the above. You can add to the list.
In these circumstances what would be your decision? Nothing, It is employee's choice.
Vibhakar Ramtirthkar.
From India, Pune
79Picnic is not a term or condition of employment. Attendance or absence is concerned with employment. Those who participate in picnic are welcome, others excused. There cannot be any thinking of attendance or absence of employees.
Extend this notion then there are several situations where we will face similar dilemma. e.g.
1. There is puja for installing a new machine and pedhas are distributed, one says no to pedha.
2. There is Dasara puja or similar occasions and an employee does not participate because of gulal.
3. There is function of felicitating employees on completing 25 years of service and an employee does not clap.
4. There is canteen and subsidised food, an employee brings food from home and does not go to canteen
5. There is transport bus available but an employee comes on his bicycle.
There may be many more situations like the above. You can add to the list.
In these circumstances what would be your decision? Nothing, It is employee's choice.
Vibhakar Ramtirthkar.
From India, Pune
Dera Shuvra,
You have received every details for your food for thought. I have a question for you. Are you paying your employees for productivity or showing up, each time you may call them?
An activity away from work cannot be categorised as productivity, unless its a paid-training programming, that can efficate the employee's productivity.
A picnic is ideally an unwinding activity, where team bonding can be aimed, remains to be achieved.
If an employee decidingly avoids it, you may need to check for the reasons. If its really genuine, you may humanly consider.
Wish you all the best !
From India, Mumbai
You have received every details for your food for thought. I have a question for you. Are you paying your employees for productivity or showing up, each time you may call them?
An activity away from work cannot be categorised as productivity, unless its a paid-training programming, that can efficate the employee's productivity.
A picnic is ideally an unwinding activity, where team bonding can be aimed, remains to be achieved.
If an employee decidingly avoids it, you may need to check for the reasons. If its really genuine, you may humanly consider.
Wish you all the best !
From India, Mumbai
Dear Prashant.
You have thrown a point for thought by bringing in a phrase 'employee engagement' to describe 'picnic'. Yes, some companies may conduct a team activity or an experiential training activity outside the office.Then the company makes it clear to all employees that is is an official activity meant for employee engagement or out-bound training and that every body needs to attend it, If so, there is hardly any room to entertain any doubt as to how to treat an employee when he/she opts not to attend it and the queriest must go with your reply.But it seems,certainly, not the case as is obvious from the query.The queriest must have got the doubt about marking an employee since the picnic must have been a collective decision of the employees and must have been sponsored by the office.The queriest must clarify it so that the members can reply properly
B.Saikumar
HR & labour Law Advsior
Mumbai.
From India, Mumbai
You have thrown a point for thought by bringing in a phrase 'employee engagement' to describe 'picnic'. Yes, some companies may conduct a team activity or an experiential training activity outside the office.Then the company makes it clear to all employees that is is an official activity meant for employee engagement or out-bound training and that every body needs to attend it, If so, there is hardly any room to entertain any doubt as to how to treat an employee when he/she opts not to attend it and the queriest must go with your reply.But it seems,certainly, not the case as is obvious from the query.The queriest must have got the doubt about marking an employee since the picnic must have been a collective decision of the employees and must have been sponsored by the office.The queriest must clarify it so that the members can reply properly
B.Saikumar
HR & labour Law Advsior
Mumbai.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Member/s,
Companies will organise picnics for the same of entertainments of employees and if the day organised falls as working day the absenting employee should be marked with leave. It is the moral obligation of any employee to attend the company's picnic, as the same is organised for him to meet other colleagues and know each other.
Otherwise as told by other members, if the picnic is declared on weekly off, then no leave to be marked. However it is a remark for the absenting employee, if the reason is not valid.
Hope this is clear.
Regards
Nv Subba Rao
From India, Hyderabad
Companies will organise picnics for the same of entertainments of employees and if the day organised falls as working day the absenting employee should be marked with leave. It is the moral obligation of any employee to attend the company's picnic, as the same is organised for him to meet other colleagues and know each other.
Otherwise as told by other members, if the picnic is declared on weekly off, then no leave to be marked. However it is a remark for the absenting employee, if the reason is not valid.
Hope this is clear.
Regards
Nv Subba Rao
From India, Hyderabad
Dear all
Arranging picnic by corporates / office is to boost morale of employees and to strengthen the unity amongst employees. If one employee is not able to attend the picnic is not a matter, on his / her personal ground. Ultimately the employee is the looser. Nevertheless, picnic is being arranged normally on week end / holidays and not concern about the present/absent.
Rgds
Arranging picnic by corporates / office is to boost morale of employees and to strengthen the unity amongst employees. If one employee is not able to attend the picnic is not a matter, on his / her personal ground. Ultimately the employee is the looser. Nevertheless, picnic is being arranged normally on week end / holidays and not concern about the present/absent.
Rgds
The Same happened in my Office. Due to a certain employee getting promotion two days before the planned picnic, another group rejected the idea of them going to a day's outing at a Theme park. Instead of declaring a Holiday to that group and few others who weren't coming, we ensured they came to office on that day ensuring skeletal staff strength. That day turned out to be Superb with Fun and lots of Team Bonding. We all got to know each other well. The next day, we uploaded all the Pictures and Videos on the Intranet. As a HR, at times like this we should casually speak to employees and not in anyway force them. At the same time, the firmness of the management should be maintained. "All is well that ends Well"
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
It is to be analysed whether the office will work as usual if this picnic was not organized? If yes, in such a case, if anyone wishes to not to take part would need to marked leave.
From India, Chennai
From India, Chennai
The principle of natural justice and a bit of commonsense( sorry for using strong word to make a point) would dictate that absence will only be valid if the "WORk" suffer due to such absence.
No picnic/social event replaces regular work for which employees are paid for.
From India, Chandigarh
No picnic/social event replaces regular work for which employees are paid for.
From India, Chandigarh
If This is notify earlier that attendance is compulsory then you were mark absent. Offfice is closed for Picnic only. You have not attended the picnic for persoal reason that why in my view you were mark absent and your one Hoilday will be adjusted. Anil
From Pakistan, Lahore
From Pakistan, Lahore
There are two things:
1) See the matters is discussed in your wage settlement
2) What is the practice followed in your orgn.
If your settlement pave way for deduction if a person is not coming for picnic, you may deduct after a proper notice served to him.
This is the process followed in my previuos employments.
Regards,
T Muralidaran
99404 97328
From India, Hosur
1) See the matters is discussed in your wage settlement
2) What is the practice followed in your orgn.
If your settlement pave way for deduction if a person is not coming for picnic, you may deduct after a proper notice served to him.
This is the process followed in my previuos employments.
Regards,
T Muralidaran
99404 97328
From India, Hosur
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