Is the employee definition same in EPF & ESI law? Whether a person covered under ESI is also covered under EPF or vice-versa?
e.g. M having salary of 14,000 and the employer deducts ESI, but not EPF. Whether this is incorrect?
13th September 2018 From India, Noida
ESI and EPF are two different schemes, and have no correlation! Have you tried inquiring with your employer on why they are not deducting PF?
13th September 2018 From India, Delhi
if the establishment is covered under EPF act then they have to deduct. or the employee may have exceeded 57 yrs of age
13th September 2018
Hi Rahul, thanks for reply. No the employer has no explanation, may be it is just their old practice and nobody questioned it.
13th September 2018 From India, Noida
I am asking from practical viewpoint. Whether one person covered under ESI is practically covered under PF also.
13th September 2018 From India, Noida
if the employee is over 57 yrs of age, then can not be added as EPF member
13th September 2018
As there is new shram suvidha portal for combined ESI & EPF return.
Does this mean that if one employee is covered under one Act is theoretically covered under other Act also?
1st February 2019 From India, Noida
@manish
be practical
there may be employees over 21000/- average monthly who are excluded in ESIC, similar way there would be many who are over 58 and does not have any UAN so they may get excluded in EPF, shram suvidha is a register and return submission portal, it does not enforce the rules and laws
1st February 2019
thank you sharma ji
my bad i couldn't explain it. i meant could there be a situation where a person is "employee" as per ESI law but not as per EPF law or vice-versa? ignore about the salary limit or if he's getting 12000 p.m.
8th February 2019 From India, Noida
@Manish
if the employee has no previous EPF a/c / UAN and have exceeded 58 yrs of age, then EPF does not comes to picture, only ESIC is applicable
13th February 2019
Thank you.
Can there be any other situation other than age limit?
13th February 2019 From India, Noida
Dear All,
The EPF Threshold limit is Rs.15,000/- and ESI Threshold limit is Rs.21000/-
if any person having less than Rs.15,000/- they should have to cover in both Acts.
if any person having more than Rs. 15,000/- and less Than Rs.21,000/- wages 0r more Than Rs.21000/-
1. if the person is first employment is covers only for ESI
2. If the person is already member in EPF he should cover both Acts, ( ceiling for EPF is Rs.15,000/-)
3. if the person is drawing more than Rs.21000/- he will covered in EPF, as per point No.2 and ESI aslo covered till end of the contribution period.
4. There is no age bar for coverage of EPF. Age bar for only pension fund. you can continue EPF contribution for superannuation person in EPF
Regards
Kaleswara Rao
13th February 2019 From India, Guntur
"...should have to..."
Thank you for this clarification.
Regards
Manish
15th February 2019 From India, Noida
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