#AnonymousJust walk across to the HR guy who sent you these mails and speak to him about your predicament. This will sort out any queries you have. Am sure he will understand and guide you appropriately.
3rd December 2016 From Indonesia, Jakarta
My reply to your queries my reply goes as below:
1. You mentioned that you worked for the company for 7 days before submitting your resignation. It is understood that you have not been paid any salary but logical thinking justifies you sure have accrued some earning (for 7 days) that would be paid to you as Full & Final settlement of dues and is subject to deduction of PF. In this context if you have not joined any other organisation, you may wright a letter or send a mail to the HR who sent you the PF Transfer Form that once you join other organisation the Form duly filled and signed would be submitted through the concerned department of "New Organisation".
2. Regarding Pension, you are to get a "Scheme Certificate" for which an application is to be submitted. So, please fill-up and send as advised.
3. "No Due Certificate" too is a must for making F&F payment.
3rd December 2016 From India, Pune
Since you were not issued with Appointment Letter, legal employer-employee relationship has not been established. However, as you have worked for seven days, technically that company is bound to pay your wages and deduct PF for those days. That is why they are asking to fill the form and complete the due process.
However, signing the documents could be a ploy to show that you had worked for seven days and the company could put you in trouble. Therefore, you may give a call to that HR person stating that you have confirmed from the senior professionals of very prominent HR forum and they have told that it is possible to do the full and final settlement even without generating PF code. That company can show you as temporary employee or casual employee and pay the dues. No PF will be required to be deducted in such a case. Only ESI is required to be paid. However, that will be their internal matter and they can do it without your intervention. Do not do any correspondence. This will enhance proof of your employment with them.
As such you are getting a new employment. No need to disclose about your seven days work in this company. Be cautious forever, do not lower you guard any time in future and reveal about this smallest stint.
For Anonymous: - Anirban is not in predicament of any kind therefore, no personal visit is required to be made. Please note that while giving professional advice, choice of our words is very important.
For Soumitra Sengupta: - You are walking on a dotted legal line. In practical life, you need to see the convenience and close the matter. In fact that HR Head could have taken this decision in his summary power on how to close this issue. There was no need to send 2-3 mails for filling up of PF forms. Filling PF forms could bring other problems in its wake. Company could start asking notice period pay. It is better to avoid these hassles.
3rd December 2016 From India, Bangalore
But there are some problems in regards to the suggestions that you ave posted in my case.
1. As far as the PF form is concerned I can't claim it even after joining the new organization because in this case I have to show this experience to my new employer which I couldn't.
2. Pension Scheme certificate can be sent to the concerned HR person as advised by you.
3. I don't have no due certificate and I can't go back to their office to get a no due certificate signed from every respective department.
My basic intent is I don't want them to give me any accrued salary or anything as FnF settlement. I just want to close this chapter. That's why after working for 7 days I called up HR, had a discussion and then subsequently resigned and I thought the matter was close there only.
Can there be any problem if I don't reply to these emails at all or if I don't want them to make a FnF settlement. Yes, they may terminate me for not getting properly relieved I guess but any which ways I'm not going to show this experience any where.
My only concern is they can easily trace my new employer details using my PF UAN no and will they going to contact them and tell them about this incident?
Please understand I just want this issue to be settled down. I don't want anything from them. I just hope they will not contact my future employer and tell them about this incident. Can you please tell me whether the possibility to happen this thing which I have mentioned is highly likely or unlikely.
By the Way there are some mandatory columns in No due certificate and Exit feedback link like SAP Id and all. And before receiving a SAP ID I had left the organization, so there is no way I can fill up those forms online even if I want to.
Awaiting your valuable response on the same.
3rd December 2016 From India, Kolkata
On the tune to the subject I was having a discussion over ph with one of my very good college friends today morning who now works as a HR Manager in Mumbai in an MNC and before that he also was a Lawyer.
He also suggested me exactly the same way you did. He told me that just wait and watch, don't give any reply in writing.
Thank you once again.
3rd December 2016 From India, Kolkata
Is it good to doubt Company intentions always? I feel one should think straight and look for solutions. Any interview process has some cost element attached and leaving an Organisation just after joining brings more losses to the Organisation (added is 7 days salary to the Cost of Interview). But since we here and also the Legal System in our country is PRO-LABOUR (employee), our thinking & decisions do always favour Employees. I don't suggest all to be, but I favour a logical thinking and try to explain phenomena in the light of that.
With due regards,
4th December 2016 From India, Pune