Hello Everyone,
To cut straight to the dilemma am facing (actually, something thats always there at the back of my mind for the last two years)-
I worked for company A for about two years where the notice period policy was 3 months. I got a good offer from company B and put down my resignation at Co. A. Needless to mention, company B wanted me badly enough (and soon enough) so they ask me to join soon or forget the offer.
As it happens, I served about 1 month of notice at Co. A and joined Co. B (All this while, I kept informing -by several emails- my managers/HR at Co A about my inability to continue further and requesting early release).
Meanwhile, Co B said "Its okay, we dont need your release letter, show us your resignation email and related communication and join us".
After about a month of joining Co B, Co A send me reminders to report back to work. I was, of course by virtue of having joined Co B, was not in a position to report back.
Co B then issued me a termination of services letter.
It has been now two years of having joined Co B and all is fine. However, my concerns to respected members of the community are these -
1. In case of job change now, how relevant is relieving letter from co A, assuming I have all relieving documents from my present employer i.e. Co B ?
2. Do companies ask for documents from all historical employers or just the last/recent employer?
3. What are my options to handle this for the future?
Thanks for your patience and time in answering...
Regards,
indilemma
From India, Kolkata
To cut straight to the dilemma am facing (actually, something thats always there at the back of my mind for the last two years)-
I worked for company A for about two years where the notice period policy was 3 months. I got a good offer from company B and put down my resignation at Co. A. Needless to mention, company B wanted me badly enough (and soon enough) so they ask me to join soon or forget the offer.
As it happens, I served about 1 month of notice at Co. A and joined Co. B (All this while, I kept informing -by several emails- my managers/HR at Co A about my inability to continue further and requesting early release).
Meanwhile, Co B said "Its okay, we dont need your release letter, show us your resignation email and related communication and join us".
After about a month of joining Co B, Co A send me reminders to report back to work. I was, of course by virtue of having joined Co B, was not in a position to report back.
Co B then issued me a termination of services letter.
It has been now two years of having joined Co B and all is fine. However, my concerns to respected members of the community are these -
1. In case of job change now, how relevant is relieving letter from co A, assuming I have all relieving documents from my present employer i.e. Co B ?
2. Do companies ask for documents from all historical employers or just the last/recent employer?
3. What are my options to handle this for the future?
Thanks for your patience and time in answering...
Regards,
indilemma
From India, Kolkata
My understanding of the situation is like this. You joined Company B without producing any relieving / service certificate from company A and now when you think of joining another company, say company C, would you require the certificates from Company A or will it be sufficient with relieving/ service certificate issued by company B only?
This depends on the attitude of HR in the company C and or the urgency of employing your resource in company C. Certainly relieving order from previous companies will not be required but only the relieving order from the last company (Company B) is required at company C but what is there to prove your experience, the roles and responsibilities you were given with Company A? In the absence of service certificate you cannot claim that period as your experience. Yes, if the company C is convinced of your capabilities and efficiency and they are in need of your service, then they will definitely allow you to join without any certificates to proof your experience. On the other hand, if it is a general hiring, they will follow the criteria for hiring and if so, you will have to produce certificates from each company and if you skip any one of the certificates, the total experience will be reduced proportionately to the period for which no supporting document is available. Naturally, the pay will be fixed considering the experience supported by the certificates only.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
4193This depends on the attitude of HR in the company C and or the urgency of employing your resource in company C. Certainly relieving order from previous companies will not be required but only the relieving order from the last company (Company B) is required at company C but what is there to prove your experience, the roles and responsibilities you were given with Company A? In the absence of service certificate you cannot claim that period as your experience. Yes, if the company C is convinced of your capabilities and efficiency and they are in need of your service, then they will definitely allow you to join without any certificates to proof your experience. On the other hand, if it is a general hiring, they will follow the criteria for hiring and if so, you will have to produce certificates from each company and if you skip any one of the certificates, the total experience will be reduced proportionately to the period for which no supporting document is available. Naturally, the pay will be fixed considering the experience supported by the certificates only.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Thank You for your insightful words, Mr. T.K....appreciated.
I was issued a "Termination of Service" notice for the sole reason of inability to complete the 3 months of notice period. Needless to mention, I offered to pay in lieu of remainder of notice period which was however, rejected by the company.
Question:
1. Is it advisable to shave off this period of experience from the resume (2 years experience)
2. What is the tolerance for a "Termination letter" in the Indian business community in case the experience is retained in the resume?
Thank You.
indilemma.
From India, Kolkata
I was issued a "Termination of Service" notice for the sole reason of inability to complete the 3 months of notice period. Needless to mention, I offered to pay in lieu of remainder of notice period which was however, rejected by the company.
Question:
1. Is it advisable to shave off this period of experience from the resume (2 years experience)
2. What is the tolerance for a "Termination letter" in the Indian business community in case the experience is retained in the resume?
Thank You.
indilemma.
From India, Kolkata
Two years is in fact a meaningful experience and shaving off it from the resume would result in so many consequences in future. You have to show what were you doing these days. You cannot say you did nothing because that will again become negative for you. Therefore, I would say that you can mention that service in your CV and if the new employer asks for the experience certificate, you can just say the truth, that it was not collected due to the reason that for joining company B you could not serve three months but could complete the handing over in one month and was relieved. Naturally, if your joining a new company is after serving the present company for a considerable period, say at least 3 years, non availability of a previous company's certificate will not become a problem. Also, as already mentioned, it all depend upon the urgency of the new company to hire you.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Sir,
Here im facing the situation right now, Tender resignation mail stating that going for higher studies but fact is i got offer from company B(Which is my dream company)... 3 months of notice period in company A...already served for one month still again HR Is not accepting the amount to be paid by me in lieu of notice period on behalf of me
Pls suggest me ....New Company Say B Hr told told me that he is accepting my Joining without relieving letter from my current employer say A,he also told that he is ready to send a mail a confirmation mail to me stating that no need of relieving letter from my Company A.. is would be the right decision to join with Company B.
Pls suggest me need of very quick response is appreciated..Urgent
From India, Chennai
Here im facing the situation right now, Tender resignation mail stating that going for higher studies but fact is i got offer from company B(Which is my dream company)... 3 months of notice period in company A...already served for one month still again HR Is not accepting the amount to be paid by me in lieu of notice period on behalf of me
Pls suggest me ....New Company Say B Hr told told me that he is accepting my Joining without relieving letter from my current employer say A,he also told that he is ready to send a mail a confirmation mail to me stating that no need of relieving letter from my Company A.. is would be the right decision to join with Company B.
Pls suggest me need of very quick response is appreciated..Urgent
From India, Chennai
I hope the above discussions would lead you to take a decision. If the new company from where you have got an offer is really a dream company for you and that dream company is ready to allow you to join even without relieving and service certificate from the present company, why do you think of the certificate from the current company? If will matter only when you leave this Company B and join another company and that will not or should not happen because this is your dream company. Therefore, if you are very confident that the company you are going to join is the place you wanted to work, take it forward and serve there till your superannuation.
Private message: A company can be a dream company for a candidate but the candidate may not be a dream 'employee' for the company!!
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Private message: A company can be a dream company for a candidate but the candidate may not be a dream 'employee' for the company!!
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Dear Madhu.T.K Sir,
after reading your private msg i.e A company can be a dream company for a candidate but the candidate may not be a dream 'employee' for the company!!
one point stricken in my mind that if i go for Company C say after 3 yrs from Company.. Will Company C Hr Either Will be asking for relieving letter from Company A or Relieving letter of Company B is enough or Both from Company A and B??
If Company C hr also strictly about Relieving letter of Company A What are the options i would be having to Convince him...Yes of course i will reveal the fact that even though i sincerely worked for One month of notice period in company A they have not paid salary when i asked for that Hr stating that everything will come after full and final settlement i.e after 3 months(Where i have financial Commitments) .. i also again stated that still im ready to buy my notice period but they have not agreed
Pls reply earliest i need to take quick move
Regards
Prakash
From India, Chennai
after reading your private msg i.e A company can be a dream company for a candidate but the candidate may not be a dream 'employee' for the company!!
one point stricken in my mind that if i go for Company C say after 3 yrs from Company.. Will Company C Hr Either Will be asking for relieving letter from Company A or Relieving letter of Company B is enough or Both from Company A and B??
If Company C hr also strictly about Relieving letter of Company A What are the options i would be having to Convince him...Yes of course i will reveal the fact that even though i sincerely worked for One month of notice period in company A they have not paid salary when i asked for that Hr stating that everything will come after full and final settlement i.e after 3 months(Where i have financial Commitments) .. i also again stated that still im ready to buy my notice period but they have not agreed
Pls reply earliest i need to take quick move
Regards
Prakash
From India, Chennai
I think the answer to your question was given in the thread itself when similar question was asked by indilemma. Please go through it. Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
From India, Kannur
Hi Madhu.T.K Sir,
I have a issue regarding to reveling letter,
Actuality in my last organization have the six month of provision period(during the provision period have one month of notice period) but i have worked in 7 month on the organization but i am not received the conformation/termination letter, at last i drop the region mail, and i served one month(33 days) notices period, but organization told me to serve two month notice period or done our work.
Organization warning me if i not serve two month then they terminate me or take action,
At last i have serve one month notice period and done my work and join new organization, but i want reveling letter from last organization how can i got it,
I have all the e-mail prove that is related with conversation of Manager, Hr and organization head.
please help,
Thanks & Regards,
Chander
From India
I have a issue regarding to reveling letter,
Actuality in my last organization have the six month of provision period(during the provision period have one month of notice period) but i have worked in 7 month on the organization but i am not received the conformation/termination letter, at last i drop the region mail, and i served one month(33 days) notices period, but organization told me to serve two month notice period or done our work.
Organization warning me if i not serve two month then they terminate me or take action,
At last i have serve one month notice period and done my work and join new organization, but i want reveling letter from last organization how can i got it,
I have all the e-mail prove that is related with conversation of Manager, Hr and organization head.
please help,
Thanks & Regards,
Chander
From India
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