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Sir/Mam
Please help me , i am very confused about my decision. i have 3.7 yrs exp in recruitment and want to move in Hr Generalist profile so i have decided to take classes from some hr acadmy which is running in south Delhi and they asking to pay me RS 14000 and they will give me100% placement. so i am confused that should i take this classes or not. pls help me out me not happy with this recruitment profile.
30th June 2014 From India, Ghaziabad
Please help me , i am very confused about my decision. i have 3.7 yrs exp in recruitment and want to move in Hr Generalist profile so i have decided to take classes from some hr acadmy which is running in south Delhi and they asking to pay me RS 14000 and they will give me100% placement. so i am confused that should i take this classes or not. pls help me out me not happy with this recruitment profile.
30th June 2014 From India, Ghaziabad
Just my opinion ...
A business model as above looks flawed , and generally is. There are many ifs and buts, including your own competence - mainly - which help you in your career.
Maybe you could ask them for 10 references they have similarly placed over the last one year, speak to them and then decide.
Btw, even MBA institutes charge 10 lacs or so with similar promises. Sometimes it works.
30th June 2014 From United States, New York
A business model as above looks flawed , and generally is. There are many ifs and buts, including your own competence - mainly - which help you in your career.
Maybe you could ask them for 10 references they have similarly placed over the last one year, speak to them and then decide.
Btw, even MBA institutes charge 10 lacs or so with similar promises. Sometimes it works.
30th June 2014 From United States, New York
Ruchi,
Your subject line says " confuse about my future"..when I read the post looks like you are confused whether to do the course or not.
Have a thought around these:
1. What is my career goal?
2. Do I have adequate information on the career I choose? ( Eg. Do I have enough information on HR)
3. What are the skills and knowledge I need to have?
4. What are the competencies required to be successful in the career I choose?
Let me know ...
30th June 2014 From India, Bangalore
Your subject line says " confuse about my future"..when I read the post looks like you are confused whether to do the course or not.
Have a thought around these:
1. What is my career goal?
2. Do I have adequate information on the career I choose? ( Eg. Do I have enough information on HR)
3. What are the skills and knowledge I need to have?
4. What are the competencies required to be successful in the career I choose?
Let me know ...
30th June 2014 From India, Bangalore
Dear Ruchi,
We advice others or seek advice from others but hardly advice to ourselves.
Now you think that you are the best judge of yourself and advice yourself what to do and what not to do.
This is not the only dilemma in life.Small or big we go on encountering dilemmas time and again. The best way is "Let me advise myself".
1st July 2014 From India, Delhi
We advice others or seek advice from others but hardly advice to ourselves.
Now you think that you are the best judge of yourself and advice yourself what to do and what not to do.
This is not the only dilemma in life.Small or big we go on encountering dilemmas time and again. The best way is "Let me advise myself".
1st July 2014 From India, Delhi
Dear Ruchi
Make counter offer to academy by saying "OK, I will pay Rs. 14K by two installments from my first and second month's salary only after getting the job recommended by you. Not a single paise would be given before hand, even in the from of registration fee or whatsoever".
99% chances are there they would not give you any feedback on this.
With best regards
Tapan Chakraborty
1st July 2014 From India, Kolkata
Make counter offer to academy by saying "OK, I will pay Rs. 14K by two installments from my first and second month's salary only after getting the job recommended by you. Not a single paise would be given before hand, even in the from of registration fee or whatsoever".
99% chances are there they would not give you any feedback on this.
With best regards
Tapan Chakraborty
1st July 2014 From India, Kolkata
Right advice in right time is the best help.
Does the above advice help in "want to move in Hr Generalist profile so i have decided to take classes from some hr acadmy which is running in south Delhi"
attribution https://www.citehr.com/498623-confus...#ixzz36DaU6sEl
1st July 2014 From India, Delhi
Does the above advice help in "want to move in Hr Generalist profile so i have decided to take classes from some hr acadmy which is running in south Delhi"
attribution https://www.citehr.com/498623-confus...#ixzz36DaU6sEl
1st July 2014 From India, Delhi
I think the OP's dilemma is whether to join this Academy or not . Her goal in trying to shift to a HR Generalist role seems to be clear.
In case the Academy can really help her, for which the fee is only Rs. 14,000/= , IMHO that is certainly worth it since it helps her achieve a goal which will be a springboard to a long term career.
The question is, whether it will or not ?
When one gets into variables like competency, prior track record of this Academy in similar situations, performance during interview, and sometimes, plainly luck.
So, perhaps the first step should be checking out prior references. In case they pan out , one could talk of making a counter...
1st July 2014 From United States, New York
In case the Academy can really help her, for which the fee is only Rs. 14,000/= , IMHO that is certainly worth it since it helps her achieve a goal which will be a springboard to a long term career.
The question is, whether it will or not ?
When one gets into variables like competency, prior track record of this Academy in similar situations, performance during interview, and sometimes, plainly luck.
So, perhaps the first step should be checking out prior references. In case they pan out , one could talk of making a counter...
1st July 2014 From United States, New York
Hi Ruchi-Barnwal As you are saying that you have Experience on recruitment you can go with Oracle HRMS Oracle R12 HRMS is having very high demand and your profile will suite to learn this HRMS ...
2nd July 2014 From India, Bangalore
2nd July 2014 From India, Bangalore
The terms of the Academy do not appear to be evil apparently. The goal of TS is adaptability and not cleaning the society nor is this the way to cleanse,I think.
2nd July 2014 From India, Delhi
2nd July 2014 From India, Delhi
If you aiming at a career in HR Generalist, hiring Organizations shall be looking at these mandatory competencies in you -
1) Someone with a practical experience on the complete Talent Acquisition Operational Workflow with sound understanding of recognized techniques and industry best-practices for successful recruitment
2) Has experience/working knowledge on all the areas of Payroll Management & Statutory Compliance like PF, ESI, PT, Payroll Structure, Calculations, Forms, Formats & Due dates etc., including Income Tax, TDS & Tax Planning for employees up to form 16 & Form 16 A
3) Have the proficiency to design CTC, design Gross Salary Breakup with regard to Minimum Wages Act, Income Tax Exemptions and other related labour acts
4) Have experience & understanding of the real-world applications of HR Metrics, Workforce Analytics, Balanced Score-Cards, Dashboards and HR Tools
5) Have the working knowledge of measuring Employee Engagement and the real-world applications of psychological theories, research methods, and intervention strategies involving work place issues on how Employers can build an Engaged Workforce
And a lot more . . . .
Take a look at these :
http://www.hrdnet.in/HR100.pdf
Or call at 080-26690047 to know more
2nd July 2014 From India, Bangalore
1) Someone with a practical experience on the complete Talent Acquisition Operational Workflow with sound understanding of recognized techniques and industry best-practices for successful recruitment
2) Has experience/working knowledge on all the areas of Payroll Management & Statutory Compliance like PF, ESI, PT, Payroll Structure, Calculations, Forms, Formats & Due dates etc., including Income Tax, TDS & Tax Planning for employees up to form 16 & Form 16 A
3) Have the proficiency to design CTC, design Gross Salary Breakup with regard to Minimum Wages Act, Income Tax Exemptions and other related labour acts
4) Have experience & understanding of the real-world applications of HR Metrics, Workforce Analytics, Balanced Score-Cards, Dashboards and HR Tools
5) Have the working knowledge of measuring Employee Engagement and the real-world applications of psychological theories, research methods, and intervention strategies involving work place issues on how Employers can build an Engaged Workforce
And a lot more . . . .
Take a look at these :
http://www.hrdnet.in/HR100.pdf
Or call at 080-26690047 to know more
2nd July 2014 From India, Bangalore
Yes, you can Go for HR Training.That will be very help full for your future.Even Recruiters should have the knowledge on Statutory ans other generalist activities.
If you got good command in Statutory that will be added advantage for your Career.For non IT recruitment you may not require that much statutory knowledge but for NON IT recruiter you should have good knowledge in Statutory as candidate may ask you so many questions on ESI,PF,Bonus,Gratuity...So taking training from institutions always preferable.you worked nearly 4+years in recruitment. so, you should be in a position to take decisions individually.....Any way you can proceed for training but need to know about that institution first and experience of the trainer in HR .. etc.and your training should cover all the Generalist activities of HR.
(for any queries contact :
2nd July 2014 From India, Hyderabad
If you got good command in Statutory that will be added advantage for your Career.For non IT recruitment you may not require that much statutory knowledge but for NON IT recruiter you should have good knowledge in Statutory as candidate may ask you so many questions on ESI,PF,Bonus,Gratuity...So taking training from institutions always preferable.you worked nearly 4+years in recruitment. so, you should be in a position to take decisions individually.....Any way you can proceed for training but need to know about that institution first and experience of the trainer in HR .. etc.and your training should cover all the Generalist activities of HR.
(for any queries contact :
2nd July 2014 From India, Hyderabad
Yes, you can Go for HR Training.That will be very help full for your future.Even Recruiters should have the knowledge on Statutory ans other generalist activities.
If you got good command in Statutory that will be added advantage for your Career.For IT recruitment you may not require that much statutory knowledge but for NON IT recruiter you should have good knowledge in Statutory as candidate may ask you so many questions on ESI,PF,Bonus,Gratuity...So taking training from institutions always preferable.you worked nearly 4+years in recruitment. so, you should be in a position to take decisions individually..Any way you can proceed for training but need to know about that institution first and experience of the trainer in HR .. etc.and your training should cover all the Generalist activities of HR.
2nd July 2014 From India, Hyderabad
If you got good command in Statutory that will be added advantage for your Career.For IT recruitment you may not require that much statutory knowledge but for NON IT recruiter you should have good knowledge in Statutory as candidate may ask you so many questions on ESI,PF,Bonus,Gratuity...So taking training from institutions always preferable.you worked nearly 4+years in recruitment. so, you should be in a position to take decisions individually..Any way you can proceed for training but need to know about that institution first and experience of the trainer in HR .. etc.and your training should cover all the Generalist activities of HR.
2nd July 2014 From India, Hyderabad
Hello,
Sorry about joining the discussion rather late!
To be handling live responsibilities of an HR Generalist, following may be noted first.
1) Formal education in the field. Your mail does not explicitly inform about this.
2) Your time spent in Recruitment is certainly NOT a WASTE.
Answering your specific query and subject to the above observations I strongly recommend that you do not accept the offer.
Even if you do get the opportunity, in the absence of actual knowledge and/or hands experience, you may find it very difficult to hold on to the job and to make progress!
HR function is not just "managing people" in organizations. Basically to be a generalist in HR one should possess/acquire the famous KSA (Knowledge, Skills ans Attitude)
In changing world the HR function has also evolved. One needs to be at home with Statutory Compliances (under applicable law) even if one is not engaged in the actual form filling, maintaining registers and dealing with authorities external to the organization. Of course that will dependent on the level of the hierarchy you get to operate at though one's reportees to be guided one must be knowledgeable and experienced. There are other aspects of the function like Collective Bargaining, Training & Development, Counseling etc. But more about that later.
If you respond to this mail, we can take this request of yours forward when have some issues and more focussed questions before us to deal.
Basically one needs to know about your educational background, preferences and professional exposure to make any meaningful suggestions.
Kindly take this response in a positive perspective and respond if you wish to take the dialogue further. I will be happy to help anyway!
Regards
samvedan
July 6, 2014
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6th July 2014 From India, Pune
Sorry about joining the discussion rather late!
To be handling live responsibilities of an HR Generalist, following may be noted first.
1) Formal education in the field. Your mail does not explicitly inform about this.
2) Your time spent in Recruitment is certainly NOT a WASTE.
Answering your specific query and subject to the above observations I strongly recommend that you do not accept the offer.
Even if you do get the opportunity, in the absence of actual knowledge and/or hands experience, you may find it very difficult to hold on to the job and to make progress!
HR function is not just "managing people" in organizations. Basically to be a generalist in HR one should possess/acquire the famous KSA (Knowledge, Skills ans Attitude)
In changing world the HR function has also evolved. One needs to be at home with Statutory Compliances (under applicable law) even if one is not engaged in the actual form filling, maintaining registers and dealing with authorities external to the organization. Of course that will dependent on the level of the hierarchy you get to operate at though one's reportees to be guided one must be knowledgeable and experienced. There are other aspects of the function like Collective Bargaining, Training & Development, Counseling etc. But more about that later.
If you respond to this mail, we can take this request of yours forward when have some issues and more focussed questions before us to deal.
Basically one needs to know about your educational background, preferences and professional exposure to make any meaningful suggestions.
Kindly take this response in a positive perspective and respond if you wish to take the dialogue further. I will be happy to help anyway!
Regards
samvedan
July 6, 2014
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6th July 2014 From India, Pune
Hi Ruchi,
i will never recommend you to go in any Coaching Classes for HR Generalist profile. even after these classes you have to go through the practical HR works. Better you Do it yourself you will get the benefit of following
1. How to search the HR Dox ( Becz even after these classes you have to go again for this)
2. You will make your own Circle which will help you for your all HR work rather than an Institute.
wish you a better Luck
Bharat Bhushan
8th July 2014 From India, Gurgaon
i will never recommend you to go in any Coaching Classes for HR Generalist profile. even after these classes you have to go through the practical HR works. Better you Do it yourself you will get the benefit of following
1. How to search the HR Dox ( Becz even after these classes you have to go again for this)
2. You will make your own Circle which will help you for your all HR work rather than an Institute.
wish you a better Luck
Bharat Bhushan
8th July 2014 From India, Gurgaon
Dear Ruchi, To get our from this Dilemma, I will suggest to do HRMS. Because you have 7 years experience in recruitment. I am sure HRMS will be suitable for you. Regards Kiramuddin
8th July 2014 From Afghanistan, Kabul
8th July 2014 From Afghanistan, Kabul
Has Ruchi moved from confusion to clarity by now? Any idea? Right advice in right time is the best help. Which is that?
9th July 2014 From India, Delhi
9th July 2014 From India, Delhi
100% Placement Guarantee !! - Almost every other Training Institute uses these magic words to sell their Programs/Courses !
Technically speaking - No Institution can provide anyone with 100% Guarantee that they'll be given an Offer Letter from an Organization simply by pursuing a certain Course/Program. Why? Cracking the Selection Interview Rounds is entirely up to the Job Applicant's (student's) aptitude, attitude, skills, knowledge & ability to impress the Hiring Panel of HRs with their worth & fitment within that limited span of 30-45 minutes (unless there's any illegal back-door entry procedure).
So when HRDNET [ Human Resource Development Network ] says that it provides "100% Placement Assistance Guarantee" - What exactly do we do/mean?
All reputed Organizations are very choosy about the applicants. They'll consider applicants ONLY from premier Institutions or applicants with few years of relevant HR work experience. Try sending your CV to the HRs of any Tier-I Organization and see whether you get any Interview Calls. Chances are you won't ! Here comes HRDNET's 1st prime benefit - HRDNET schedules confirmed Interviews for its students/trainees with reputed Organizations
Secondly, HRDNET's Certification has a huge acceptability by the reputed Organizations. Any Trainee who successfully clears HRDNET Certification is NOT considered a Fresher anymore. Why? Because of the Work Experience, HR Functional Skills & Competencies it provides. So by becoming a HRDNET Certified HR Professional, our Trainees drastically increase their chances of getting short-listed for an Interview with reputed Companies.
Thirdly, the HR100 Program is designed in such a way that its even tougher than a Full-Time MBA Curriculum. Its highly rigorous - providing the Trainees with the required skills & competencies to crack any Interviews. Go through the Course Brochure at www.hrdnet.in/HR100.pdf to know more about HR100. Please feel free to call us at 080-26690047 / 0-9481481682 / 0-9481708948 for more details.
10th July 2014 From India, Bangalore
Technically speaking - No Institution can provide anyone with 100% Guarantee that they'll be given an Offer Letter from an Organization simply by pursuing a certain Course/Program. Why? Cracking the Selection Interview Rounds is entirely up to the Job Applicant's (student's) aptitude, attitude, skills, knowledge & ability to impress the Hiring Panel of HRs with their worth & fitment within that limited span of 30-45 minutes (unless there's any illegal back-door entry procedure).
So when HRDNET [ Human Resource Development Network ] says that it provides "100% Placement Assistance Guarantee" - What exactly do we do/mean?
All reputed Organizations are very choosy about the applicants. They'll consider applicants ONLY from premier Institutions or applicants with few years of relevant HR work experience. Try sending your CV to the HRs of any Tier-I Organization and see whether you get any Interview Calls. Chances are you won't ! Here comes HRDNET's 1st prime benefit - HRDNET schedules confirmed Interviews for its students/trainees with reputed Organizations
Secondly, HRDNET's Certification has a huge acceptability by the reputed Organizations. Any Trainee who successfully clears HRDNET Certification is NOT considered a Fresher anymore. Why? Because of the Work Experience, HR Functional Skills & Competencies it provides. So by becoming a HRDNET Certified HR Professional, our Trainees drastically increase their chances of getting short-listed for an Interview with reputed Companies.
Thirdly, the HR100 Program is designed in such a way that its even tougher than a Full-Time MBA Curriculum. Its highly rigorous - providing the Trainees with the required skills & competencies to crack any Interviews. Go through the Course Brochure at www.hrdnet.in/HR100.pdf to know more about HR100. Please feel free to call us at 080-26690047 / 0-9481481682 / 0-9481708948 for more details.
10th July 2014 From India, Bangalore
Hi,
Good afternoon to all of you.
I saw all this opinion of individual and decide to share my views regarding any external training.
Training is most important in any field. In spite of that in HR field training played vital roll.
1. Theoretical knowledge is necessary. If you have no theoretical knowledge then how can create different creative ideas.?
2. It is the fact without any experience training shall create confusion.
3. Experience & Training in same time will be beneficial.
This is my first post. Let me know if you have any query.
Thanks & Regards,
Arun Walunj
Mo. 08805000642
15th July 2014 From India, Pune
Good afternoon to all of you.
I saw all this opinion of individual and decide to share my views regarding any external training.
Training is most important in any field. In spite of that in HR field training played vital roll.
1. Theoretical knowledge is necessary. If you have no theoretical knowledge then how can create different creative ideas.?
2. It is the fact without any experience training shall create confusion.
3. Experience & Training in same time will be beneficial.
This is my first post. Let me know if you have any query.
Thanks & Regards,
Arun Walunj
Mo. 08805000642
15th July 2014 From India, Pune
Dear Ruchi;
For my Opinion.
Recruitment is major part of any organisation.Sourcing a right candidate for a right place for a right time.Concentrate in Different types of Profile like IT , NON IT,Manufacturing,Engineering Industry basically for different level.Going to be masterpiece on Recruitment for all the industry & also maintain as per Recruitment policy.There is no end(Different Hierarchy).
And if you search for Generialist profile, so you have to worked on different industry as HR / IR/ Admin.
Regards;
Abhishek
16th July 2014 From India, Calcutta
For my Opinion.
Recruitment is major part of any organisation.Sourcing a right candidate for a right place for a right time.Concentrate in Different types of Profile like IT , NON IT,Manufacturing,Engineering Industry basically for different level.Going to be masterpiece on Recruitment for all the industry & also maintain as per Recruitment policy.There is no end(Different Hierarchy).
And if you search for Generialist profile, so you have to worked on different industry as HR / IR/ Admin.
Regards;
Abhishek
16th July 2014 From India, Calcutta
Dear Mr. Ruchi Barnwal,
If you had strong desire to move a head career wise and to become a HR Generalist, First of all try to know the various job responsibilities involved in that position & try to analyze them with your competencies.
You will come to know where you are standing and what are the steps to be taken. Instead of going blindly to some institute and learn the attributes of a job try to figure it out by yourself so that chances of learning will be much more in finding them.
This will help you to figure out what you are and what attributes you required to be in that position.
Best Tip: Google Search my dear.
(This is called SWOT Analysis)
Regards
18th July 2014 From India, Mumbai
If you had strong desire to move a head career wise and to become a HR Generalist, First of all try to know the various job responsibilities involved in that position & try to analyze them with your competencies.
You will come to know where you are standing and what are the steps to be taken. Instead of going blindly to some institute and learn the attributes of a job try to figure it out by yourself so that chances of learning will be much more in finding them.
This will help you to figure out what you are and what attributes you required to be in that position.
Best Tip: Google Search my dear.
(This is called SWOT Analysis)
Regards
18th July 2014 From India, Mumbai
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